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Players such as Jinro, HuK, and Adelscott did not apply for this tour, so don't ask why they aren't on this list. DIMAGA, Kas, and LaLush turned applications in late so they will not appear either. Please take some time to learn who exactly applied.

Please inform yourself about who applied and who didn't.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 13:31:51
March 30 2011 13:30 GMT
#4001
just read the reasoning of Xeris, gotta say, pretty damn awesome job. Although i would have liked to see what you do if those ~5 players who are clearly both very good and fun favorite would have applied (correctly) and could have assured to be there 100%. They made it easier for you i guess. A bit sad for Demuslim, i m certani he would have gotten back into shape in about a week, it's not like he was isolated from sc2 for half a year, he just couldnt play for a while, anyways, reasonable choice.
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
BarnabeJonez
Profile Joined November 2010
United States23 Posts
March 30 2011 13:34 GMT
#4002
Whoa man, am very excited with the roster! Good job guys! I also respect you for being very professional and having extremely valid reasons to not invite those not on the list. Wish NASL the best of luck, and can't wait for the games!
TheAura
Profile Joined November 2010
96 Posts
March 30 2011 13:36 GMT
#4003
people complaining about artosis:

He is one of the hardest working people for e-sports, he has proven himself in the past, and he has done so much for esports. Now that he has more time we all know he will practice more and try his absolute best in NASL. Is it too much to give this man, who has done so much more for esports than anyone else who applied, a chance? Show how much we respect what he has done, and he is clearly a good player as he made the first GSL (when others on the list have failed multiple times), and now that he can play again he will be fine.

Also i am rather excited to see artosis in league action, every week. He knows so much more about the game than most of the people on the list, and it is exciting to get to se him train and put all his knowledge to use.
Jampackedeon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2053 Posts
March 30 2011 13:43 GMT
#4004
Holy shit that last round of players is epic, I have to announce I am now officially excited for the NASL. Great work guys, can't wait to see the first games!
ishboh
Profile Joined October 2010
United States954 Posts
March 30 2011 13:45 GMT
#4005
interesting mix of people. i am getting a little weary of Moon and Boxer being selected for every foreign tournament because they are more famous from other previous games (although I guess they have proved themselves in sc2). I would have like to see them mix it up a bit with the koreans but w/e.

looks like a good roster though, too bad dimaga applied late, i really wanted to see him in
DrunkenTemplar
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia647 Posts
March 30 2011 13:54 GMT
#4006
On March 30 2011 22:14 infinity2k9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 21:29 DrunkenTemplar wrote:
On March 30 2011 21:28 infinity2k9 wrote:
Artosis isn't even the same race as in beta...


Neither is morrow, changing race =/= why you shouldn't be accepted


Morrow is proven with both far far more than Artosis with both races. All i remember from Artosis in SC2 is he disconnected in a tournament and whined so much that he should have been given a win that he was temp banned.


So your argument is now that Artosis is whiny and that should be reason for him not to be accepted lol? There are infinitely more valid arguments than that which you can use against some of the players who were accepted. Also you completely missed my morrow point.
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 14:17:57
March 30 2011 14:07 GMT
#4007
It wasn't an argument it was just a recollection of what Artosis has done in SC2 besides the GSL. MorroW is a terrible comparison, he's already placed highly in tournaments with his new race, and proved he's still one of the best.

For example i can't believe he'd get in over say, Mondragon. I have no doubt who i'd put my money on to produce better results in Mondragon vs Artosis regardless of what we have seen so far in SC2. I know theres a million kids who are like OMG TASTOSIS now SC2 has been out but Mondragon as an actual player is even more of a legend.
CursedFeanor
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada539 Posts
March 30 2011 14:20 GMT
#4008
I was a bit apprehensive to see their pick a while ago, but I can now say I'm very pleased and impressed about their selection! A very nice mix indeed and it's clear that a lot of thought and consideration was put into their work.

NASL will be awesome!
OTIX
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden491 Posts
March 30 2011 14:21 GMT
#4009
This is a fantastic roster and I'm looking forward to this a lot. However I'm not entirely sold on the whole process. Actively trying to manufacture "epic" matchups and enforcing race balance feels wrong to me. Idra vs Tyler would be an epic match if it happened organically but when the organizers just put them together it's not. The storylines of the players is a huge part of what makes tournaments entertaining but it has to be real, if you try to influence or manufacture it then you're basically moving toward american wrestling.

I'm obviously exaggerating a lot here just to explain what I mean. I don't have any real issues with the organization the way it is, as long as it doesn't go any further in that direction. It seems the ro16 matchups are predetermined and not chosen after the fact and really that's the most important thing here.
feanor1
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1899 Posts
March 30 2011 14:26 GMT
#4010
On March 30 2011 18:17 KaveX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 17:46 urashimakt wrote:
On March 30 2011 17:29 CEPEHDREI wrote:
"The next thing we did was to look at fun and exciting rivals and try to pair them: I.E. IdrA vs Tyler, Zenio… and Grubby vs Moon. "

WHY? thats just dumb. Hey WWE, bye Sport.

I think it's possible to show discontent with a non-randomized grouping without likening them to a series scripted events. Grubby hasn't been told to take a dive. There are probably people who prefer it this way: it guarantees the fans will see match-ups they want to see. I'd agree that it's kind've a raw deal to some players, since it can stack them in groups that they're unlikely to progress out of, which could cause them to not place where they might've otherwise. Still a far cry from professional wrestling.

I don't think it's about being fair to the players, but about some sort of sportive competition environment. More appropriate than WWE: "series of showmatches". For long-term success, the NASL has to make sure that the league is more than just hundreds of showmatches with a high prize-money pool. This is something many SC2 events have been lacking.

Just take the World Cyber Games or the ESL Pro Series: One is clearly set up to be like the olympics, with nationality playing an important role, having qualifiers in lots of countries and having a somewhat equal distribution where no country can get more than three slots. The other is a national league with a big substructure and its winner can definitely call himself the national champion, noone would disagree.

Can the winner of a tournament with 50 of the world's best players invited without any formalized selection process call himself world champion? Contrary to the winner of WCG and IEM, I doubt it. In future seasons, this will probably look different and I'm sure that the NASL people will work towards that direction. However, having "rigged" groups is something they definitely have to get rid of during this process. It's totally fine for an event that serves no other purpose than to provide a good entertainment value for the viewers, but if you're trying to create a huge brand like the NASL does, there are more things to take into consideration. For now, I can live with it, but just don't get used to it. After all, making everything formal and transparent serves the purpose to make the competition more legitimate.

Are MLB, NFL, and NBA seasons illegitimate? New York Yankees and the Red Sox consistently field two of the better teams in baseball yet they are in the same division every year, meaning that one has a high shot to miss the playoffs while a team with 10 less wins against lesser competition gets in. Why doesn't baseball change it, having rivalry games with two good teams draws huge ratings. You can bet if someone sets of a league they are going to try and keep rivals in the same divisions when possible, (great example of this was the Big 10 conference expansion, although they have set rivalry cross division games every year). This is totally normal to do as long as you don't completely stack one division to an unreasonable level.
DrunkenTemplar
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia647 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 14:30:42
March 30 2011 14:30 GMT
#4011
On March 30 2011 23:07 infinity2k9 wrote:
It wasn't an argument it was just a recollection of what Artosis has done in SC2 besides the GSL. MorroW is a terrible comparison, he's already placed highly in tournaments with his new race, and proved he's still one of the best.

For example i can't believe he'd get in over say, Mondragon. I have no doubt who i'd put my money on to produce better results in Mondragon vs Artosis regardless of what we have seen so far in SC2. I know theres a million kids who are like OMG TASTOSIS now SC2 has been out but Mondragon as an actual player is even more of a legend.


Ok you still don't seem to get why I compared Morrow and Artosis. I compared them because using your first post only, you could say the same thing about Morrow, which we both agree would be a retarded reason to not have him in. My point is that implying player X shouldn't get in ONLY because they changed race is stupid. I'm not arguing for or against Artosis here.

And yes I agree Mondi would be epic, I even posted in this thread earlier saying the exact same thing.

#Edit for fail quote
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
March 30 2011 14:38 GMT
#4012
I think we actually agree and are not really having much of an argument here. I'm just saying, Artosis we have totally no idea of skill level because the 'achievements' said in his explanation were for when he played Zerg. While MorroW we've seen play Zerg quite a lot now, in tournaments too. That's all. That's not the entire reason i think he shouldn't be in, but i think it's kinda important to note if his reasoning for being allowed in is based on beta performances with a different race (we know he's not being invited because of that really anyway though).

I just wish it were open qualifiers at the end of the day, imo 16 going up and down at the end of the first league isn't even enough. I think it should be more like 16 staying IN. that would make it more cutthroat and give more people a chance.
Fearlezz
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia176 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 14:42:01
March 30 2011 14:40 GMT
#4013
So what if the first season groups were engineered for drama? It's not like they had a way to precisely seed all the players involved and this way it might even turn out very fun, even the race and EU/KR/US mix in there should give us a wide variety of great matches. For 2nd season you are gonna have seeds and new qualified people anyway so no engineering will be needed.
KaveX
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany59 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 14:52:27
March 30 2011 14:45 GMT
#4014
On March 30 2011 23:26 feanor1 wrote:
Are MLB, NFL, and NBA seasons illegitimate?

Honestly? US sports actually does tend to be more about entertainment than about 100% fairness compared to European sports. Here in Europe, something like this would be unthinkable, also because, unlike US sports, the clubs are less strongly tied to the league. If Germany and England were put into the same World Cup group instead of a drawing, it would be a huge deal for us Europeans. Thinking about it, it might really be more of a cultural thing.

Anyway, like I already said, I don't even consider it that big of a deal in NASL's first season. Might be bad for some players, but it's okay. The thing is just that I would be very upset if IEM or WCG did it, though, and to a slightly smaller extent GSL and MLG. Therefore, I concluded that it should be NASL's objective to also become one of the competitions that have so much meaning behind them that nothing should be rigged for entertainment's sake. It's up to them to either pursue this strategy or to focus on providing super-exciting games and not caring about the rest.
SC2: EU Master League (Season 1: 2900 Points) | Fan of White-Ra, ClouD, HasuObs, MarineKing, BoxeR
sinii
Profile Joined August 2010
England989 Posts
March 30 2011 14:55 GMT
#4015
Weird decision to not pick Demuslim, i mean surely his health can't be a factor as the fact he even applied shows that he feels he is ready and can compete?

Perhaps EG decided that he wasn't good enough to be one of their 5 picked players?

Which seems crazy as i honestly think with the exception of Idra he is probably the most qualified.

Oh well sad day for UK esports, and also NASL's business model for subscriptions in the UK :p
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
March 30 2011 14:56 GMT
#4016
Ok i went back through the thread and i gotta say i find it hilarious Incontrol himself is defending his position based on Brood War results and the MLG. Yet Mondragon, placed 2nd in the TSL2 and god knows how many other tournaments, does not get in based on that?
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
March 30 2011 15:02 GMT
#4017
I'm really happy that Artosis was invited to NASL but it seems odd that they would fudge the rules to allow Artosis in even though he is teamless (he left MYM and has not joined another since at least to my knowledge and anything I can find on the internet) but would not give any leeway to the application deadline violators.
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
March 30 2011 15:03 GMT
#4018
Man he's injured.. Incontrol is EG and this league has strong bonds with EG so why would they leave out demuslim if they tought he could compete? do you see him complaining?

He was left out because he can't play and that's it.. pick another subject to complain..

When he recovers i'm sure he will be in NASL because he can compete with everybody
BENFICA || Besties: idra, Stephano, Nestea, Jaedong, Serral, Jinro, Scarlett || Zerg <3
Strelok
Profile Joined January 2006
Ukraine320 Posts
March 30 2011 15:03 GMT
#4019
On March 30 2011 16:10 DND_Enkil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 15:56 pampelmus wrote:
On March 30 2011 15:49 DND_Enkil wrote:
Sucks for Nightend i agree, but from NASL's point of view the most important thing would be the integrity of the tournament and having as little risk for no-shows as possible. I am not sure if there are any other players invited who also comes from a country without VWP but do not think so.


in:
mouz.MaNa (Poland)
RoX.KIS.BRAT_OK (Russia)
mouz.Strelok (Ukraine)
Duckload.White-Ra (Ukraine)

applied:
Fenix (Peru)
Cocoa (Panama)

These do not have a VWP.


Ah true, i hope Strelok and MaNa was able to provide some evidence aswell, since Strelok at least has struggled a lot with visa rejections in the past. Maybe Mouz manager was able to guarantee it somehow?


I never had any single visa rejection. Sometimes i couldn't come just because organizators didn't send me documents in time or informed me about tournament too late.
sinii
Profile Joined August 2010
England989 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 15:07:26
March 30 2011 15:05 GMT
#4020
On March 31 2011 00:03 shell wrote:
Man he's injured.. Incontrol is EG and this league has strong bonds with EG so why would they leave out demuslim if they tought he could compete? do you see him complaining?

He was left out because he can't play and that's it.. pick another subject to complain..

When he recovers i'm sure he will be in NASL because he can compete with everybody


He's a professional player, he knows it's not in his interest to complain.

His good friend Rotterdam as good as complaining though is a very clear indication of Demuslims position and health might i add.
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