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bennyaus
Australia1833 Posts
1) This tournament wouldn't be happening if it wasn't for the coin toss that knocked out Bischu from an earlier Dreamhack. 2) The coin-toss is a mechanism for finding an opponent for Bischu to face in a showmatch for $1500 or whatever it is. It is ironic and a stab at themselves in good humour by Dreamhack 3) Repeat 1) This is not Dreamhack main event, this is a tournament that is a payback to Bischu for being knocked out by a coin-toss at a previous Dreamhack main event. | ||
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WGarrison
United States96 Posts
I just don't think the idea of a coin flip tournament is a good idea at all. Like I said before it boils down into a frustrating 16 man tournament. It is also not respectful to the players and what they do. If they wanted to make fun of themselves and make up for the coinflip situation, I propose the following idea. 54 man tie-breaker tournament. 2 brackets of 27 people. Instead of having pairs of people play against each other as in a normal tournament, every bracket is a set of three people. These three people play tiebreakers until a winner is determined. The winners of each set go into the next 3 person bracket. At the end the winners of the 2 brackets go into a tiebreaker with bischu to determine the winner. This idea would still poke fun at the result of the coin flip. It would still be an apology and opportunity to Bischu. It would still be fun and silly. But it wouldn't be totally frustrating to the players and would be a better idea fundamentally. | ||
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.Aar
2177 Posts
On March 24 2011 12:43 Nicodemusher wrote: So we make up for fucking one person over by fucking 64 others over? Fucking stupid indeed... Nobody's making them play. They know the risks going in. | ||
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Hilberer
Sweden64 Posts
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Blueblister
Sweden321 Posts
On March 24 2011 01:21 WGarrison wrote: Let me explain why this tournament may seem cool on the surface, but when you go through the logical steps is not interesting. The tournament is 64 people with 2 coinflip rounds. A each coinflip will knock out 50% of people for a total of 75% removal by coinflip. This boils the tournament down to a 16 man tournament. I can acheive exactly the same results by picking 16 names out of a hat to participate without making top end players act like puppets for our amusement. Lets go into a specific example, suppose I have a 4 man bracket. Player 1 Player 2 Player 3 Player 4 Lets suppose player 1 wins and player 3 wins, and then a coinflip eliminates player three. What I actually get is a tournament of two people Player 1 vs Player 2 and the entire bracket of Player 3 and Player 4 is out. I can coinflip the games early and only play Player 1 and Player 2 and save the other players the frustration. Now in a 64 man tournament it is possible to conflip early (WITH NO CHANGE TO THE RESULT OR PLAY OF THE TOURNAMENT) and reduce the tournament to a 16 man random invite tournament, because for 48 people their games are 100% meaningless. I wouldn't mind seeing fun and interesting tournament ideas, but this one on a deeper level is not interesting. This tournament frustrates players (75% of them) with meaningless games and is actually just a normal 16 man tournament in disguise. Now I don't fault dreamhack for making a coinflip tourny, I like what they are trying to do. However, I think the idea needs to be thought through more, perhaps something like best of 2 matches with ties being coinflipped. Give the players a chance to outplay their fate. You are right in your math, still you seem to forget two things. 1. For a lot of people, lotteries gives excitement and a subject to socialize around. 2. The value of playing SC2 is not necessarily the amount of money you expect to win. Have fun ^^ The Coin Toss Tournament is basically a StarCraft tournament and lottery combined. The event is targeted at people who (1) likes StarCraft and (2) likes lotteries. If you are person who doesn't fit this demographic then this tournament simply isn't meant for you. | ||
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someperson
United States17 Posts
Would be quite epic. | ||
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bennyaus
Australia1833 Posts
On March 26 2011 03:53 someperson wrote: It would be awesome if they had the players in the coin-flip rounds on a webcam so we could see their live reactions. Would be quite epic. lol! I would be so mad if I lost to coin toss, definitely an hilarious idea. | ||
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theBOOCH
United States832 Posts
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tnud
Sweden2233 Posts
Have some damn humour guys. Why is everyone going "this isn't a serious tournament, I won't watch" ... | ||
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zz_
Sweden1022 Posts
On March 25 2011 04:19 Hilberer wrote: Awesome tour! To bad there are so many retards from US. Why pick on the US? I'm from Sweden and I think this idea is pretty damn terrible. The only reason I'm not flaming it with all my might is because Bischu is insta-seeded to the finals. | ||
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WGarrison
United States96 Posts
On March 25 2011 16:43 Blueblister wrote: You are right in your math, still you seem to forget two things. 1. For a lot of people, lotteries gives excitement and a subject to socialize around. 2. The value of playing SC2 is not necessarily the amount of money you expect to win. Have fun ^^ The Coin Toss Tournament is basically a StarCraft tournament and lottery combined. The event is targeted at people who (1) likes StarCraft and (2) likes lotteries. If you are person who doesn't fit this demographic then this tournament simply isn't meant for you. I like Starcraft, I don't hate lotteries. What I don't like is mixing effort with lotteries. I dislike the idea of having to put forth a lot of effort and competativeness prior to getting entered into a lottery. If you make someone try their hardest to win a game, and then follow it up with a coinflip, it is still wrong regardless of the purpose of the tournament. I think there are so many better ways to have done this tournament, and I have posted some of those ideas earlier this thread. | ||
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Goken
Sweden36 Posts
On March 24 2011 12:43 Nicodemusher wrote: So we make up for fucking one person over by fucking 64 others over? Fucking stupid indeed... I don't understand this opinion, No one is holding a gun to the players heads and threatens to kill them if they do not enter the tournament. If they think its silly and "fucks them over" i guess they have no need to play in it. | ||
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Hellspawnl
Sweden103 Posts
Get prepared for some awesome entertainment on Tuesday 17:00 CET =D | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On March 28 2011 05:43 Goken wrote: I don't understand this opinion, No one is holding a gun to the players heads and threatens to kill them if they do not enter the tournament. If they think its silly and "fucks them over" i guess they have no need to play in it. No, but saying "hey! we're going to give all this prize money to the winner of this tournament, but this player only has to get lucky!" isn't much of a tournament at all. They have the right to do it, I just think it's really dumb; SCII is supposed to be about skill, the cointoss, joke or not, just cheapens the tournament, the Dreamhack brand, and SCII as an esport. | ||
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Soap
Brazil1546 Posts
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DumEN
Sweden123 Posts
Rules Information Prizes * 1st place: 10 000 SEK + Wildcard to DreamHack Summer 2011 * 2nd place: Wildcard to DreamHack Summer 2011 * To receive a prize in the tournament, the player must hand in appropriate information and papers to Dreamhack. More information here: http://www.dreamhack.se/DHS11/programme/esport/prize-money-policy/ Keep in mind that money isn't the only thing that's on the line; wildcard spots are aswell. I think this is a fun tournament idea, and although the better player isn't neccesarily the winner, it creates a rather fun story for the wildcards once DreamHack Summer 2011 rolls around. | ||
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Disciple7
United States198 Posts
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Rabbitmaster
1357 Posts
On March 24 2011 15:32 bennyaus wrote: For all the idiots in this thread: 1) This tournament wouldn't be happening if it wasn't for the coin toss that knocked out Bischu from an earlier Dreamhack. 2) The coin-toss is a mechanism for finding an opponent for Bischu to face in a showmatch for $1500 or whatever it is. It is ironic and a stab at themselves in good humour by Dreamhack 3) Repeat 1) This is not Dreamhack main event, this is a tournament that is a payback to Bischu for being knocked out by a coin-toss at a previous Dreamhack main event. Agreed. It's all in good fun, and $1500 is not a big deal to an organization like dreamhack, compare it to the total pricepool of the entire year, its practically nothing. I also assume the players, that will participate, are well aware of the rules. If they don't like them, they don't have to play, it's as simple as that. I really like this,and I will watch it. I wont see it as a "serious tourmant" tho, execpt the final showmatch, i guess you could call it. But as entertainment, and still some potential for good game, I don't see the problem. Oh and seeing as the tournament is "random" in a way, i expect to see some funky play, just becuse of the nature of the tournemnt. Which, I'll say it again, has great entertainment value. Well played dreamhack. | ||
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kinetic_skink
Australia125 Posts
I think it's funny. It's not the main event, but rather just a cheap side show ($1500 is not much) | ||
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viii
United States266 Posts
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