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[Dreamhack] Coin Toss Tournament - Page 10

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OTIX
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden491 Posts
March 29 2011 09:47 GMT
#181
Do the players get to choose which side of the coin they want? Cause that actually takes a lot of skill. I've been practicing a ton and I'm still wrong pretty often.

This tourney is gonna be so much fun. <3 2GD
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
March 29 2011 11:01 GMT
#182
this may be good for some "lols" but I don`t like the huge luck-component... better give the money to some homeless dudes and let the players participate for fun. You can`t take this "competition" serious by any means.
keep it deep! @zulison
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 13:48:50
March 29 2011 13:42 GMT
#183
Wow, this is today... Today is a overload of fun SC2 casting

Edit:

Ok, so is dapollo casting alone?
I am not young enough to know everything.
senex
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden25 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 14:05:47
March 29 2011 14:05 GMT
#184
On March 29 2011 22:42 Jiddra wrote:
Wow, this is today... Today is a overload of fun SC2 casting

Edit:

Ok, so is dapollo casting alone?


No, Apollo and 2GD are casting
http://www.dreamhack.se/DHS11/2011/03/28/live-stream-with-apollo-2gd/
BossDH
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
March 29 2011 14:11 GMT
#185
This is so fucking stupid. Which is why I'll watch every game. =D

Does anyone have any idea what Bischu thinks of this? Most likely he'll be relieved / amused, but I think it'd be cool to hear what his words are.
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
March 29 2011 14:27 GMT
#186
On March 29 2011 23:11 Aeres wrote:
This is so fucking stupid. Which is why I'll watch every game. =D

Does anyone have any idea what Bischu thinks of this? Most likely he'll be relieved / amused, but I think it'd be cool to hear what his words are.


Getting a guaranteed wild card to the dreamhack 200 000 SEK tournament and a pretty good chance to win 10 000 for one serie, probably mean he's pretty happy.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
taLbuk
Profile Joined April 2010
Madagascar1879 Posts
March 29 2011 14:36 GMT
#187
Wait wait... 2gd is casting? holllly shitttt
WGarrison
Profile Joined February 2011
United States96 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 14:51:38
March 29 2011 14:50 GMT
#188
On March 29 2011 18:21 max.711 wrote:
For all of you saying there is no skill required to win this tournament, you're simply wrong.

The guy who said that this is equivalent to randomly choosing 16 of the 64 players is also wrong, because the thing that determines who gets to flip the coin is skill. In his scenario it would be possible to randomly pick 16 of the least skilled players to fight for a chance against Bishu. However, that is impossible because the least skilled players wont advance in round 1 or 3, even if they are guaranteed to win the coin tosses.


You don't understand the math behind it clearly.

If we have a small portion tournament:

Skilled player 1
Less skilled player 2

Skilled player 3
Less skilled player 4

The coinflip is UNAFFECTED by who advances. Lets say player 1 and 3 advance and the coin flipped tails to let player 3 advance. The coin was going to be tails always, and the winner of player 3 and 4 was going to advance always, regardless of the skillsets in the other bracket. The coinflip reduced the bracket to:

Skilled Player 3
Less skilled player 4

Expand that to the full bracket. You are getting a tournament of 16 random players regardless of skill, they advance though the 16 man tournament thereafter based on skill. Skilled player 3 advances on skill, but only because he was fortunate enough to be in a bracket that actually counted. The skills of player 1 and 2 mean nothing, as the coinflip means that they have no influence in the tournament whatsoever.

There are 5 real rounds, and 2 chance rounds, the thing that gets players past the 5 real rounds to the prize is skill. So while it's still possible to eliminate the 20 best players through chance, it's not possible for the least skilled players to advance through skill.


Hmmm, 5 real rounds, best players advance, lesser players eliminated. What does this sound like, hmmmmm, OH YEAH, this is a 16 man tournament!

You should really look at it like this:
Take 32 of the most skilled players from the initial pool of 64 and randomly discard 16
Take 8 of the most skilled players from the remaining 16, and randomly discard 4.
Then those 4 play till 1 fights bishu


On the surface you are correct, I am analyzing it a step forward. This is like me explaining how a watch works and you tell me, "look at it this way, a watch helps you tell time during the day". On the surface it works as you describe, but mathmatically what you are describing is a 16 man tournament with random invites.
Slakter
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden1947 Posts
March 29 2011 14:50 GMT
#189
James Harding in Starcraft? Whawhat!?
Protoss, can't live with em', can't kill em'.
DailYLeet
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany827 Posts
March 29 2011 14:54 GMT
#190
who will cast?
"King Goody spoke - you have to treat his words like gold , he is the wisest man , who ever crossed the EU server" - Cloud
zasda
Profile Joined March 2011
381 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 14:56:56
March 29 2011 14:56 GMT
#191
On March 29 2011 23:54 DailYLeet wrote:
who will cast?

apollo and 2gd (quake/wow caster wut?) read few posts on this page lol
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
March 29 2011 14:57 GMT
#192
On March 29 2011 23:50 WGarrison wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 18:21 max.711 wrote:
For all of you saying there is no skill required to win this tournament, you're simply wrong.

The guy who said that this is equivalent to randomly choosing 16 of the 64 players is also wrong, because the thing that determines who gets to flip the coin is skill. In his scenario it would be possible to randomly pick 16 of the least skilled players to fight for a chance against Bishu. However, that is impossible because the least skilled players wont advance in round 1 or 3, even if they are guaranteed to win the coin tosses.


You don't understand the math behind it clearly.

If we have a small portion tournament:

Skilled player 1
Less skilled player 2

Skilled player 3
Less skilled player 4

The coinflip is UNAFFECTED by who advances. Lets say player 1 and 3 advance and the coin flipped tails to let player 3 advance. The coin was going to be tails always, and the winner of player 3 and 4 was going to advance always, regardless of the skillsets in the other bracket. The coinflip reduced the bracket to:

Skilled Player 3
Less skilled player 4

Expand that to the full bracket. You are getting a tournament of 16 random players regardless of skill, they advance though the 16 man tournament thereafter based on skill. Skilled player 3 advances on skill, but only because he was fortunate enough to be in a bracket that actually counted. The skills of player 1 and 2 mean nothing, as the coinflip means that they have no influence in the tournament whatsoever.

Show nested quote +
There are 5 real rounds, and 2 chance rounds, the thing that gets players past the 5 real rounds to the prize is skill. So while it's still possible to eliminate the 20 best players through chance, it's not possible for the least skilled players to advance through skill.


Hmmm, 5 real rounds, best players advance, lesser players eliminated. What does this sound like, hmmmmm, OH YEAH, this is a 16 man tournament!

Show nested quote +
You should really look at it like this:
Take 32 of the most skilled players from the initial pool of 64 and randomly discard 16
Take 8 of the most skilled players from the remaining 16, and randomly discard 4.
Then those 4 play till 1 fights bishu


On the surface you are correct, I am analyzing it a step forward. This is like me explaining how a watch works and you tell me, "look at it this way, a watch helps you tell time during the day". On the surface it works as you describe, but mathmatically what you are describing is a 16 man tournament with random invites.


Bollocks. My coin flipping skill would own your math.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
DailYLeet
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany827 Posts
March 29 2011 15:02 GMT
#193
On March 29 2011 23:56 zasda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 23:54 DailYLeet wrote:
who will cast?

apollo and 2gd (quake/wow caster wut?) read few posts on this page lol


sry , didnt see
apollo ROCKZ! )
"King Goody spoke - you have to treat his words like gold , he is the wisest man , who ever crossed the EU server" - Cloud
zasda
Profile Joined March 2011
381 Posts
March 29 2011 15:03 GMT
#194
http://live.dreamhack.se/

so is this the right page?? nothing for me atm
Klaent
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden374 Posts
March 29 2011 15:04 GMT
#195
On March 30 2011 00:03 zasda wrote:
http://live.dreamhack.se/

so is this the right page?? nothing for me atm

Thats it, and its on now.
"On a scale from 1 to Idra, how mad are you right now?" -ROOTDestiny
Klaent
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden374 Posts
March 29 2011 15:10 GMT
#196
MackerBacker is so gonna stream cheat!
"On a scale from 1 to Idra, how mad are you right now?" -ROOTDestiny
Clipped
Profile Joined August 2010
France122 Posts
March 29 2011 15:11 GMT
#197
It's on. Grubby's playing.
MBH
Profile Joined January 2011
Ireland796 Posts
March 29 2011 15:12 GMT
#198
I just can not decide if this is one of the most creative or the most stupid tournament i have ever seen...
hmsrenown
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1263 Posts
March 29 2011 15:12 GMT
#199
LOL people are still raging over this? I mean, you aren't allowed to poke fun at yourself and apologize to someone at the same time?

I mean, WAKE UP people, I'm enjoying every game plus the coin toss, nobody was forced to enter, and Dreamhack realize they fucked up earlier, and give Bischu a chance to make 1k euro back in the process. What is SO WRONG about it?
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
March 29 2011 15:13 GMT
#200
Haha not heard 2gd cast anything in ages, still hilarious xD
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