[Dreamhack] Coin Toss Tournament - Page 10

On March 29 2011 22:42 Jiddra wrote:
Wow, this is today... Today is a overload of fun SC2 casting

Edit:

Ok, so is dapollo casting alone?

On March 29 2011 23:11 Aeres wrote:
This is so fucking stupid. Which is why I'll watch every game. =D

Does anyone have any idea what Bischu thinks of this? Most likely he'll be relieved / amused, but I think it'd be cool to hear what his words are.

On March 29 2011 18:21 max.711 wrote:
For all of you saying there is no skill required to win this tournament, you're simply wrong.

The guy who said that this is equivalent to randomly choosing 16 of the 64 players is also wrong, because the thing that determines who gets to flip the coin is skill. In his scenario it would be possible to randomly pick 16 of the least skilled players to fight for a chance against Bishu. However, that is impossible because the least skilled players wont advance in round 1 or 3, even if they are guaranteed to win the coin tosses.

There are 5 real rounds, and 2 chance rounds, the thing that gets players past the 5 real rounds to the prize is skill. So while it's still possible to eliminate the 20 best players through chance, it's not possible for the least skilled players to advance through skill.

You should really look at it like this:
Take 32 of the most skilled players from the initial pool of 64 and randomly discard 16
Take 8 of the most skilled players from the remaining 16, and randomly discard 4.
Then those 4 play till 1 fights bishu

On March 29 2011 23:54 DailYLeet wrote:
who will cast?

On March 29 2011 23:50 WGarrison wrote:


You don't understand the math behind it clearly.

If we have a small portion tournament:

Skilled player 1
Less skilled player 2

Skilled player 3
Less skilled player 4

The coinflip is UNAFFECTED by who advances. Lets say player 1 and 3 advance and the coin flipped tails to let player 3 advance. The coin was going to be tails always, and the winner of player 3 and 4 was going to advance always, regardless of the skillsets in the other bracket. The coinflip reduced the bracket to:

Skilled Player 3
Less skilled player 4

Expand that to the full bracket. You are getting a tournament of 16 random players regardless of skill, they advance though the 16 man tournament thereafter based on skill. Skilled player 3 advances on skill, but only because he was fortunate enough to be in a bracket that actually counted. The skills of player 1 and 2 mean nothing, as the coinflip means that they have no influence in the tournament whatsoever.



Hmmm, 5 real rounds, best players advance, lesser players eliminated. What does this sound like, hmmmmm, OH YEAH, this is a 16 man tournament!



On the surface you are correct, I am analyzing it a step forward. This is like me explaining how a watch works and you tell me, "look at it this way, a watch helps you tell time during the day". On the surface it works as you describe, but mathmatically what you are describing is a 16 man tournament with random invites.

On March 29 2011 23:56 zasda wrote:

apollo and 2gd (quake/wow caster wut?) read few posts on this page lol

On March 30 2011 00:03 zasda wrote:
http://live.dreamhack.se/

so is this the right page?? nothing for me atm