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Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
March 23 2011 15:12 GMT
#121
Great marketing from Dreamhack, having fun with the issue of coin flip from DHW10. They are taking control over it and is making something fun and viewer friendly, the buzz is already happening. Low cost publicity.

They must change the rule for this season to make it work, otherwise it will bite them in the ass. But I guess they have already done that.

I am not young enough to know everything.
Danjoh
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden405 Posts
March 23 2011 15:15 GMT
#122
On March 24 2011 00:12 Jiddra wrote:
Great marketing from Dreamhack, having fun with the issue of coin flip from DHW10. They are taking control over it and is making something fun and viewer friendly, the buzz is already happening. Low cost publicity.

They must change the rule for this season to make it work, otherwise it will bite them in the ass. But I guess they have already done that.


Indeed, the GSL system wich can't get a tie seems fairly brilliant, however it produces less games.
IEMs groupstages produced alot of entertainment, but for organizers who have to stick to a schedule, it would be a nightmare...
Playguuu
Profile Joined April 2010
United States926 Posts
March 23 2011 15:17 GMT
#123
Live streaming of coin tosses? Sounds amazing.
I used to be just like you, then I took a sweetroll to the knee.
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
March 23 2011 15:24 GMT
#124
I don't get why people think this is lame. Its awesome
Jaedong :3
haylmfao
Profile Joined January 2011
124 Posts
March 23 2011 15:50 GMT
#125
On March 19 2011 22:44 Liquid`HuK wrote:
fucking stupid

NO FUN ALLOWED
McKTenor13
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1383 Posts
March 23 2011 15:58 GMT
#126
hahahaha this tournament made me laugh. funny start into the dreamhack season
If you can chill. chill. - Liquid'Tyler
WGarrison
Profile Joined February 2011
United States96 Posts
March 23 2011 16:21 GMT
#127
Let me explain why this tournament may seem cool on the surface, but when you go through the logical steps is not interesting. The tournament is 64 people with 2 coinflip rounds. A each coinflip will knock out 50% of people for a total of 75% removal by coinflip. This boils the tournament down to a 16 man tournament. I can acheive exactly the same results by picking 16 names out of a hat to participate without making top end players act like puppets for our amusement.

Lets go into a specific example, suppose I have a 4 man bracket.

Player 1
Player 2

Player 3
Player 4

Lets suppose player 1 wins and player 3 wins, and then a coinflip eliminates player three. What I actually get is a tournament of two people Player 1 vs Player 2 and the entire bracket of Player 3 and Player 4 is out.

I can coinflip the games early and only play Player 1 and Player 2 and save the other players the frustration.

Now in a 64 man tournament it is possible to conflip early (WITH NO CHANGE TO THE RESULT OR PLAY OF THE TOURNAMENT) and reduce the tournament to a 16 man random invite tournament, because for 48 people their games are 100% meaningless.

I wouldn't mind seeing fun and interesting tournament ideas, but this one on a deeper level is not interesting. This tournament frustrates players (75% of them) with meaningless games and is actually just a normal 16 man tournament in disguise.

Now I don't fault dreamhack for making a coinflip tourny, I like what they are trying to do. However, I think the idea needs to be thought through more, perhaps something like best of 2 matches with ties being coinflipped. Give the players a chance to outplay their fate.
Blondinbengt
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden578 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-23 16:32:03
March 23 2011 16:31 GMT
#128
On March 24 2011 01:21 WGarrison wrote:
Let me explain why this tournament may seem cool on the surface, but when you go through the logical steps is not interesting. The tournament is 64 people with 2 coinflip rounds. A each coinflip will knock out 50% of people for a total of 75% removal by coinflip. This boils the tournament down to a 16 man tournament. I can acheive exactly the same results by picking 16 names out of a hat to participate without making top end players act like puppets for our amusement.

Lets go into a specific example, suppose I have a 4 man bracket.

Player 1
Player 2

Player 3
Player 4

Lets suppose player 1 wins and player 3 wins, and then a coinflip eliminates player three. What I actually get is a tournament of two people Player 1 vs Player 2 and the entire bracket of Player 3 and Player 4 is out.

I can coinflip the games early and only play Player 1 and Player 2 and save the other players the frustration.

Now in a 64 man tournament it is possible to conflip early (WITH NO CHANGE TO THE RESULT OR PLAY OF THE TOURNAMENT) and reduce the tournament to a 16 man random invite tournament, because for 48 people their games are 100% meaningless.

I wouldn't mind seeing fun and interesting tournament ideas, but this one on a deeper level is not interesting. This tournament frustrates players (75% of them) with meaningless games and is actually just a normal 16 man tournament in disguise.

Now I don't fault dreamhack for making a coinflip tourny, I like what they are trying to do. However, I think the idea needs to be thought through more, perhaps something like best of 2 matches with ties being coinflipped. Give the players a chance to outplay their fate.


That's not the point of this though. It's not supposed to be a tournament in the sense of ''who is the best player'', it's simply a public apology/compensation for Bischu that has been made into a ''tournament'' for PR and entertainment (which I personally think is a great idea).

I think people need to stop treating this as a tournament and look at it as a fun PR-event where Dreamhack pokes fun at themselves for screwing up while also essentially giving Bischu a 10k check as compensation for DHs fail at DH winter, the fact that it's presented in the form of a tournament is really quite irrelevant.
WGarrison
Profile Joined February 2011
United States96 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-23 17:07:12
March 23 2011 17:06 GMT
#129
On March 24 2011 01:31 Blondinbengt wrote:
That's not the point of this though. It's not supposed to be a tournament in the sense of ''who is the best player'', it's simply a public apology/compensation for Bischu that has been made into a ''tournament'' for PR and entertainment (which I personally think is a great idea).


I don't think telling players, "sorry but you matches don't matter", is entertaining or good PR.
LeatherGracket
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden52 Posts
March 23 2011 17:11 GMT
#130
Wow. Just get a sense of humor people! It's a brilliant way for Dreamhack to apologize for their screw-up, give them a break.
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-23 17:19:40
March 23 2011 17:14 GMT
#131
On March 24 2011 02:06 WGarrison wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2011 01:31 Blondinbengt wrote:
That's not the point of this though. It's not supposed to be a tournament in the sense of ''who is the best player'', it's simply a public apology/compensation for Bischu that has been made into a ''tournament'' for PR and entertainment (which I personally think is a great idea).


I don't think telling players, "sorry but you matches don't matter", is entertaining or good PR.


You make it sound like someone is forcing the players to participate...

And once again, this is about making up to Bischu. They could just have easily made this a show match against another invite and nobody would complain but personally I find this much more fun (yes gasp) way to handle it. It's not about the other players, that despite the coin toss have a decent chance to make some money I might add.



Rabbitmaster
Profile Joined August 2010
1357 Posts
March 23 2011 17:32 GMT
#132
Absolutely awesome! Impressive pricepool for such an event, but still not much for an organization like dreamhack. Completely baller imo.
God is dead.
S.O.L.I.D.
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States792 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-23 23:46:01
March 23 2011 23:45 GMT
#133
I don't think this is a good idea. If a tournament is being funded for ~$1500 then I don't understand why it doesn't go to a player that deserves it. Come on, a coin toss? That means I could beat oGsMC, the best player in the world based on something completely random. I'd love for this to have a prize pool of something small, if anything, and then have the rest of the money to go to the Dreamhack Stockholm tournament instead. It's a fine gimmick but I'd rather have that amount of money go to someone who fought there way to the finals.
azzu
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany141 Posts
March 24 2011 00:52 GMT
#134
I somehow think this will actually happen on April 1st *cough*
Snerren
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden58 Posts
March 24 2011 01:16 GMT
#135
On March 24 2011 08:45 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:
I don't think this is a good idea. If a tournament is being funded for ~$1500 then I don't understand why it doesn't go to a player that deserves it. Come on, a coin toss? That means I could beat oGsMC, the best player in the world based on something completely random. I'd love for this to have a prize pool of something small, if anything, and then have the rest of the money to go to the Dreamhack Stockholm tournament instead. It's a fine gimmick but I'd rather have that amount of money go to someone who fought there way to the finals.



Don't get so caught up in it being about the best player getting the money. This is basically a excuse to Bishu for getting eliminated in that way saying hey we feel bad We are going to give you the chance to play for 1500 USD.

Now they make something fun about it. No one is forcing players to participate and no one is thinking that this will show who the better player is. This is just a fun way to basically say Hey we fucked up and we know it so we wanna give back to the guy who suffered for our mistake.
I'll take you all on!
ExquisiteRed
Profile Joined February 2011
396 Posts
March 24 2011 01:18 GMT
#136
From what I've heard most players really don't like this
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
March 24 2011 02:00 GMT
#137
On March 24 2011 10:18 ExquisiteRed wrote:
From what I've heard most players really don't like this

I can't understand why fans would like this, you got TLO vs. Morrow epic best of 5 coming up and they toss a coin cause they happen to be in the wrong round where they don't actually play the games.
Nicodemusher
Profile Joined November 2010
United States188 Posts
March 24 2011 03:43 GMT
#138
So we make up for fucking one person over by fucking 64 others over? Fucking stupid indeed...
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-24 03:58:44
March 24 2011 03:54 GMT
#139
Wow people are so stupid. This isn;t about giving other players money, it's about them trying to make up what happened to Bischu. If someone wants to test their luck and go for it, then they should, but they should consider this a potential monetary grab, (i.e. lottery), instead of an actual tournament.
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AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-24 06:23:35
March 24 2011 06:21 GMT
#140
On March 24 2011 00:11 meRz wrote:
I don't see how this gets so much shit from everyone.

It's basically DH confessing "Okay we fucked up" giving bischu a chance for compensation. The coinflip part is brilliant because they're able to make fun of themselves while giving Bischu this oppertunity. People coming in saying it's terrible for e-sports... not really? If anything it's good that orgnanizers recongnizes their mistakes and try to make up for them.


Lol yeh, this tourny is awesome. People should stop being so goddamn serious! It's just for fun, and anyone who signs up for it will be prepared for what happens. Go Bischu, hope he wins moneys!

Although seriously I hope DH have a much better process for tiebreakers if they happen at future major tournaments.
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