[Dreamhack] Coin Toss Tournament - Page 7

On March 24 2011 00:12 Jiddra wrote:
Great marketing from Dreamhack, having fun with the issue of coin flip from DHW10. They are taking control over it and is making something fun and viewer friendly, the buzz is already happening. Low cost publicity.

They must change the rule for this season to make it work, otherwise it will bite them in the ass. But I guess they have already done that.

On March 19 2011 22:44 Liquid`HuK wrote:
fucking stupid

On March 24 2011 01:21 WGarrison wrote:
Let me explain why this tournament may seem cool on the surface, but when you go through the logical steps is not interesting. The tournament is 64 people with 2 coinflip rounds. A each coinflip will knock out 50% of people for a total of 75% removal by coinflip. This boils the tournament down to a 16 man tournament. I can acheive exactly the same results by picking 16 names out of a hat to participate without making top end players act like puppets for our amusement.

Lets go into a specific example, suppose I have a 4 man bracket.

Player 1
Player 2

Player 3
Player 4

Lets suppose player 1 wins and player 3 wins, and then a coinflip eliminates player three. What I actually get is a tournament of two people Player 1 vs Player 2 and the entire bracket of Player 3 and Player 4 is out.

I can coinflip the games early and only play Player 1 and Player 2 and save the other players the frustration.

Now in a 64 man tournament it is possible to conflip early (WITH NO CHANGE TO THE RESULT OR PLAY OF THE TOURNAMENT) and reduce the tournament to a 16 man random invite tournament, because for 48 people their games are 100% meaningless.

I wouldn't mind seeing fun and interesting tournament ideas, but this one on a deeper level is not interesting. This tournament frustrates players (75% of them) with meaningless games and is actually just a normal 16 man tournament in disguise.

Now I don't fault dreamhack for making a coinflip tourny, I like what they are trying to do. However, I think the idea needs to be thought through more, perhaps something like best of 2 matches with ties being coinflipped. Give the players a chance to outplay their fate.

On March 24 2011 01:31 Blondinbengt wrote:
That's not the point of this though. It's not supposed to be a tournament in the sense of ''who is the best player'', it's simply a public apology/compensation for Bischu that has been made into a ''tournament'' for PR and entertainment (which I personally think is a great idea).

On March 24 2011 02:06 WGarrison wrote:


I don't think telling players, "sorry but you matches don't matter", is entertaining or good PR.

On March 24 2011 08:45 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:
I don't think this is a good idea. If a tournament is being funded for ~$1500 then I don't understand why it doesn't go to a player that deserves it. Come on, a coin toss? That means I could beat oGsMC, the best player in the world based on something completely random. I'd love for this to have a prize pool of something small, if anything, and then have the rest of the money to go to the Dreamhack Stockholm tournament instead. It's a fine gimmick but I'd rather have that amount of money go to someone who fought there way to the finals.

On March 24 2011 10:18 ExquisiteRed wrote:
From what I've heard most players really don't like this

On March 24 2011 00:11 meRz wrote:
I don't see how this gets so much shit from everyone.

It's basically DH confessing "Okay we fucked up" giving bischu a chance for compensation. The coinflip part is brilliant because they're able to make fun of themselves while giving Bischu this oppertunity. People coming in saying it's terrible for e-sports... not really? If anything it's good that orgnanizers recongnizes their mistakes and try to make up for them.