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Dragar
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom971 Posts
April 23 2011 16:29 GMT
#2721
On April 24 2011 01:26 HuHEN wrote:
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On April 24 2011 01:21 Dragar wrote:
On April 24 2011 01:20 HuHEN wrote:
On April 24 2011 01:19 Dragar wrote:
On April 24 2011 01:19 udgnim wrote:
yeah all in, the best way for Zerg to beat Protoss nowadays


Idra agrees!



Sometimes to shift the balance of a matchup you need to poke holes in plays that they used to think were safe, forcing protoss to account for more things and overall weakening their builds.


No, Idra says he gets a higher success rate in ZvP just doing blind all-ins
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(see his games against Socke on the NASL).


I dont think you got my point, successful all-ins help shift the meta-game, which helps shift the balance.


Well, maybe. It depends how reliable they are. Fast bling/ling drops seem very effective unless your opponent goes six-gate.
sinii
Profile Joined August 2010
England989 Posts
April 23 2011 16:29 GMT
#2722
On April 24 2011 01:28 Lennon wrote:
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On April 24 2011 01:25 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On April 24 2011 01:23 Lennon wrote:
Lose with a standard strategy:

He sucks. What the fuck is he doing?


Win with a risky all-in strategy:

He's a genious!


he lost because he played bad in the first two games. micro macro build order tactics strategy. style has nothing to do with it. it looked like he wanted to play a style like this http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/vod/65005 but is really really bad at it, cutting back on the effectiveness of attacking head on for investments that end up not helping at all with anything


I was poking fun at the comments in this thread as opposed to the actual games. I still agree though.



You have been whining about Zerg for the past few comments, don't change your tune when a pro shuts you down.
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
April 23 2011 16:29 GMT
#2723
Snipe sentry's not zealots t.t.
HuHEN
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom514 Posts
April 23 2011 16:29 GMT
#2724
On April 24 2011 01:24 dtz wrote:
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On April 24 2011 01:20 HuHEN wrote:
On April 24 2011 01:19 Dragar wrote:
On April 24 2011 01:19 udgnim wrote:
yeah all in, the best way for Zerg to beat Protoss nowadays


Idra agrees!



Sometimes to shift the balance of a matchup you need to poke holes in plays that they used to think were safe, forcing protoss to account for more things and overall weakening their builds.


I agree with this. The reason 3 gate expo is so successful is the thread of 4 gate and nexus cancel which means a zerg can't just drone blindly.

The threat of this kind of zerg all-in will make the protoss have to play less greedy (greedy meaning just massing cannons with sentries)

Then, it might be safer for zergs to actually tech to hive / infestors.Who knows but it's a step since "standard" zvp right now fails anyway.



This is what I noticed when toss was struggling so much with terran, MC opened our eyes to a lot of really strong aggressive plays, and they made Ts question what they used to assume they could get away with, eventually this added up to make the matchup more balanced.
noezke
Profile Joined September 2010
England514 Posts
April 23 2011 16:29 GMT
#2725
This is painful.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Clafou
Profile Joined November 2010
Belgium921 Posts
April 23 2011 16:30 GMT
#2726
On April 24 2011 01:29 Clafou wrote:
Is there a low resolution stream? The Khaldor's one is too laggy on my eeePC...

sinii
Profile Joined August 2010
England989 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 16:30:28
April 23 2011 16:30 GMT
#2727
edit: oops double post :p
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
April 23 2011 16:30 GMT
#2728
wow actually very well planned series of attacks by mc aiming for the queen followed up by vr phoenix
.Enigma.
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden1461 Posts
April 23 2011 16:30 GMT
#2729
On April 24 2011 01:27 TT1 wrote:
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On April 24 2011 01:25 Lennon wrote:
On April 24 2011 01:21 nam nam wrote:
On April 24 2011 01:19 FarbrorAbavna wrote:
On April 24 2011 01:17 epoc wrote:
Funny how cheesing is the only way morrow even stands a chance against mc.

dont judge an entire race based on one persons play


Name me one foreign zerg that would stand a good chance against MC in a bo5. Morrow might not be on the top of his game, but most zergs would look bad against MC.


Dimaga


sen actually


I'd say Morrow stood a fair chance against MC in both games, he just needed to get some higher tech and he would've done much better.
"Jupiters c*ck!" - Quintus Lentulus Batiatus
qbs
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland771 Posts
April 23 2011 16:30 GMT
#2730
it looks so bad for morrow : (
DeMusliM !!!
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
April 23 2011 16:30 GMT
#2731
I have never seen 1 void 3-4 phoenix NOT accomplish sufficient damage to justify the cost. Such a strong opening.
Gigelcelrau
Profile Joined October 2010
Romania6 Posts
April 23 2011 16:30 GMT
#2732
On April 24 2011 01:26 Dexington wrote:
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On April 24 2011 01:23 Gigelcelrau wrote:
On April 24 2011 01:21 nam nam wrote:
On April 24 2011 01:19 FarbrorAbavna wrote:
On April 24 2011 01:17 epoc wrote:
Funny how cheesing is the only way morrow even stands a chance against mc.

dont judge an entire race based on one persons play


Name me one foreign zerg that would stand a good chance against MC in a bo5. Morrow might not be on the top of his game, but most zergs would look bad against MC.


Catz on a good day.


Umm... wat?



Honestly i do believe no other zerg will take it, they will just play the same game as MC and just say "ok i lost the first game.....i'll still go play standard and hopefully with good micro/macro i can take it" .... you just cannot beat the guy like that, his practice regime is better then anyone else's outside of Korea..... you either go "standard" play/aggresion or you lose
Copymizer
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark2108 Posts
April 23 2011 16:30 GMT
#2733
This is looking painful at this moment for morrow !
~~Yo man ! MBCGame HERO Fighting !! Holy check !
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
April 23 2011 16:31 GMT
#2734
On April 24 2011 01:23 Gigelcelrau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 01:21 nam nam wrote:
On April 24 2011 01:19 FarbrorAbavna wrote:
On April 24 2011 01:17 epoc wrote:
Funny how cheesing is the only way morrow even stands a chance against mc.

dont judge an entire race based on one persons play


Name me one foreign zerg that would stand a good chance against MC in a bo5. Morrow might not be on the top of his game, but most zergs would look bad against MC.


Catz on a good day.


You can't be serious.

On April 24 2011 01:25 Lennon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 01:21 nam nam wrote:
On April 24 2011 01:19 FarbrorAbavna wrote:
On April 24 2011 01:17 epoc wrote:
Funny how cheesing is the only way morrow even stands a chance against mc.

dont judge an entire race based on one persons play


Name me one foreign zerg that would stand a good chance against MC in a bo5. Morrow might not be on the top of his game, but most zergs would look bad against MC.


Dimaga


He might have a chance, but I'm pretty sure MC would make him look bad in the large majority of games.



Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
April 23 2011 16:31 GMT
#2735
A lot of zergs, morrow, idra, sen, etc could beat MC in a BO5, MC just has a higher chance.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
April 23 2011 16:31 GMT
#2736
From what I've seen, Morrow has lost to this exact same stargate style like 15 times in a row. Good choice by MC.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Corrik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1416 Posts
April 23 2011 16:31 GMT
#2737
On April 24 2011 01:29 philly5man wrote:
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On April 24 2011 01:27 Corrik wrote:
I think Protoss was designed to be a risk taking race. It seems like they basically have an oh shit button with the ability to warp in anywhere you have an energy field. Theoretically, you should always keep your army slightly smaller than the opponent and warp in only when an engagement is to come. Giving you a massively superior economy.



That's true of Zerg, not Protoss, as far as I see it. Warpgates have cooldown, if you want a big army you need to consistently use them. Larva is what creates the effect you're talking about.


I disagree. I think if you scout and see your opponent only slightly in the lead army wise... you simply can build another gateway instead of another unit to prepare for it. Eventually this snowballs until Toss can start outproducing the opponent in mass. (While not sacrificing building workers).
MattRz
Profile Joined April 2011
Chile1680 Posts
April 23 2011 16:31 GMT
#2738
Suiciding Roaches
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake ♞
Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
April 23 2011 16:31 GMT
#2739
mc outplaying morrow at every aspect right now, wow this looks harsh
wat
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3548 Posts
April 23 2011 16:31 GMT
#2740
brilliant by mc, he wanted morrow to go under that forcefield into the main. ITS A TRAPPPPP
say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
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