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On April 24 2011 01:26 HuHEN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 01:21 Dragar wrote:On April 24 2011 01:20 HuHEN wrote:On April 24 2011 01:19 Dragar wrote:On April 24 2011 01:19 udgnim wrote: yeah all in, the best way for Zerg to beat Protoss nowadays Idra agrees! Sometimes to shift the balance of a matchup you need to poke holes in plays that they used to think were safe, forcing protoss to account for more things and overall weakening their builds. No, Idra says he gets a higher success rate in ZvP just doing blind all-ins + Show Spoiler +(see his games against Socke on the NASL). I dont think you got my point, successful all-ins help shift the meta-game, which helps shift the balance.
Well, maybe. It depends how reliable they are. Fast bling/ling drops seem very effective unless your opponent goes six-gate.
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On April 24 2011 01:28 Lennon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 01:25 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On April 24 2011 01:23 Lennon wrote:Lose with a standard strategy: He sucks. What the fuck is he doing? Win with a risky all-in strategy: He's a genious! he lost because he played bad in the first two games. micro macro build order tactics strategy. style has nothing to do with it. it looked like he wanted to play a style like this http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/vod/65005 but is really really bad at it, cutting back on the effectiveness of attacking head on for investments that end up not helping at all with anything I was poking fun at the comments in this thread as opposed to the actual games. I still agree though.
You have been whining about Zerg for the past few comments, don't change your tune when a pro shuts you down.
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Snipe sentry's not zealots t.t.
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On April 24 2011 01:24 dtz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 01:20 HuHEN wrote:On April 24 2011 01:19 Dragar wrote:On April 24 2011 01:19 udgnim wrote: yeah all in, the best way for Zerg to beat Protoss nowadays Idra agrees! Sometimes to shift the balance of a matchup you need to poke holes in plays that they used to think were safe, forcing protoss to account for more things and overall weakening their builds. I agree with this. The reason 3 gate expo is so successful is the thread of 4 gate and nexus cancel which means a zerg can't just drone blindly. The threat of this kind of zerg all-in will make the protoss have to play less greedy (greedy meaning just massing cannons with sentries) Then, it might be safer for zergs to actually tech to hive / infestors.Who knows but it's a step since "standard" zvp right now fails anyway.
This is what I noticed when toss was struggling so much with terran, MC opened our eyes to a lot of really strong aggressive plays, and they made Ts question what they used to assume they could get away with, eventually this added up to make the matchup more balanced.
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On April 24 2011 01:29 Clafou wrote: Is there a low resolution stream? The Khaldor's one is too laggy on my eeePC...
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edit: oops double post :p
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wow actually very well planned series of attacks by mc aiming for the queen followed up by vr phoenix
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On April 24 2011 01:27 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 01:25 Lennon wrote:On April 24 2011 01:21 nam nam wrote:On April 24 2011 01:19 FarbrorAbavna wrote:On April 24 2011 01:17 epoc wrote: Funny how cheesing is the only way morrow even stands a chance against mc. dont judge an entire race based on one persons play Name me one foreign zerg that would stand a good chance against MC in a bo5. Morrow might not be on the top of his game, but most zergs would look bad against MC. Dimaga sen actually
I'd say Morrow stood a fair chance against MC in both games, he just needed to get some higher tech and he would've done much better.
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it looks so bad for morrow : (
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I have never seen 1 void 3-4 phoenix NOT accomplish sufficient damage to justify the cost. Such a strong opening.
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On April 24 2011 01:26 Dexington wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 01:23 Gigelcelrau wrote:On April 24 2011 01:21 nam nam wrote:On April 24 2011 01:19 FarbrorAbavna wrote:On April 24 2011 01:17 epoc wrote: Funny how cheesing is the only way morrow even stands a chance against mc. dont judge an entire race based on one persons play Name me one foreign zerg that would stand a good chance against MC in a bo5. Morrow might not be on the top of his game, but most zergs would look bad against MC. Catz on a good day. Umm... wat?
Honestly i do believe no other zerg will take it, they will just play the same game as MC and just say "ok i lost the first game.....i'll still go play standard and hopefully with good micro/macro i can take it" .... you just cannot beat the guy like that, his practice regime is better then anyone else's outside of Korea..... you either go "standard" play/aggresion or you lose
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This is looking painful at this moment for morrow !
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On April 24 2011 01:23 Gigelcelrau wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 01:21 nam nam wrote:On April 24 2011 01:19 FarbrorAbavna wrote:On April 24 2011 01:17 epoc wrote: Funny how cheesing is the only way morrow even stands a chance against mc. dont judge an entire race based on one persons play Name me one foreign zerg that would stand a good chance against MC in a bo5. Morrow might not be on the top of his game, but most zergs would look bad against MC. Catz on a good day.
You can't be serious.
On April 24 2011 01:25 Lennon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 01:21 nam nam wrote:On April 24 2011 01:19 FarbrorAbavna wrote:On April 24 2011 01:17 epoc wrote: Funny how cheesing is the only way morrow even stands a chance against mc. dont judge an entire race based on one persons play Name me one foreign zerg that would stand a good chance against MC in a bo5. Morrow might not be on the top of his game, but most zergs would look bad against MC. Dimaga
He might have a chance, but I'm pretty sure MC would make him look bad in the large majority of games.
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A lot of zergs, morrow, idra, sen, etc could beat MC in a BO5, MC just has a higher chance.
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From what I've seen, Morrow has lost to this exact same stargate style like 15 times in a row. Good choice by MC.
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On April 24 2011 01:29 philly5man wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 01:27 Corrik wrote: I think Protoss was designed to be a risk taking race. It seems like they basically have an oh shit button with the ability to warp in anywhere you have an energy field. Theoretically, you should always keep your army slightly smaller than the opponent and warp in only when an engagement is to come. Giving you a massively superior economy. That's true of Zerg, not Protoss, as far as I see it. Warpgates have cooldown, if you want a big army you need to consistently use them. Larva is what creates the effect you're talking about.
I disagree. I think if you scout and see your opponent only slightly in the lead army wise... you simply can build another gateway instead of another unit to prepare for it. Eventually this snowballs until Toss can start outproducing the opponent in mass. (While not sacrificing building workers).
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mc outplaying morrow at every aspect right now, wow this looks harsh
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brilliant by mc, he wanted morrow to go under that forcefield into the main. ITS A TRAPPPPP
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