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This thread is for discussing the games, not crying about balance. Thanks.
speedphlux
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Bulgaria962 Posts
February 28 2011 13:28 GMT
#1801
Dang ! That was a terrible day for the oGs-Liquid house
... Humanity Is Not What I Suffer From ...
brentsen
Profile Joined November 2010
1252 Posts
February 28 2011 13:31 GMT
#1802
Can someone explain to me why so many Zergs don't build any roaches? From my "lower player perspective" it would seem that they are very useful in absorbing tank shots and marine fire so that zerglings and banelings can engage easier.
S.O.L.I.D.
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States792 Posts
February 28 2011 13:32 GMT
#1803
On February 28 2011 21:39 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2011 21:33 whatdoido wrote:
On February 28 2011 21:21 darmousseh wrote:
I'm pretty sure ret is way better than almost all europeans on a consistent basis. Haypro is probably top 10 european. It's not that ret is bad, it's that koreans as so good. They play extremely solid safe games taking little to no risks. They are agressive when they need to be and react appropriately. Ret got outplayed relying too much on numbers to win, when his opponent was focusing on unit positioning and control. In the end, a strategy is only as good as the execution and ret's execution was much lower than his opponents. GL to ret in NASL, i'm guessing he will win or make top 4.





highlighted the important part, I kind of feel like people don't realize this sometimes. Many of the korean players are on teams, with coaches and teamates to discuss the game with, practicing 10 hours a day sometimes. I just feel like, with enough practice zerg is simply the most unforgiving race with the least amount of options, and at the highest level(korea) it seems everyone knows how to play vs zerg.

Ret just won assembly, but got 2-0'd in Code A. Moonglade got 2-0'd convincingly in the first round of Code A, and Haypro too. I think these players could do the same thing ret did in assembly. These players can win NA and EU tournaments, but when the competition is at it's highest it's just so much harder.

So yeah ... nerf korea.

Remember ogstop and ogsinca at dreamhack? yeah...


Remember oGsTOP at GSL Code A last season? Yeah.

That's what matters.

@ people looking at ladder ranking to determine skill: Are you kidding me?
bokeevboke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Singapore1674 Posts
February 28 2011 13:33 GMT
#1804
On February 28 2011 22:31 brentsen wrote:
Can someone explain to me why so many Zergs don't build any roaches? From my "lower player perspective" it would seem that they are very useful in absorbing tank shots and marine fire so that zerglings and banelings can engage easier.


You can't survive early game with roaches. And roaches suck against marines, marauders and tanks.
Its grack
Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
February 28 2011 13:36 GMT
#1805
Zerg gets rolled over again

Poor Ret, he's such a good player bur he has to be so much better than a terran to beat one, it sucks

Don't give up Jos you'll end up doing well soon!
Try another route paperboy.
Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
February 28 2011 13:38 GMT
#1806
On February 28 2011 22:31 brentsen wrote:
Can someone explain to me why so many Zergs don't build any roaches? From my "lower player perspective" it would seem that they are very useful in absorbing tank shots and marine fire so that zerglings and banelings can engage easier.


Roaches are supposed to be a counter to marines, but since marines are small, and have 1 more range, at any time a ball of marines hits a ball of roaches, 2 lines of marines can attack 1 line of roaches, so you are always going to be out-dps'ed.

This would not be a problem, since we have so much money, but BEHIND the marines are tanks, doing 50 damage a shot.

Against a PURE MECH army of hellion/thor/tank, roaches are awesome, since the roaches can tank long enough to get close to the tanks. But when a ball of marines in protecting the tanks, it just doesn't work.

A mixture of roaches to tank the innitial tank shots while baneling/zergling/muta goes in might be something we have to experiment with more, but thats for the pro zergs to try.

Tef
Profile Joined April 2008
Sweden443 Posts
February 28 2011 13:53 GMT
#1807
On February 28 2011 22:31 brentsen wrote:
Can someone explain to me why so many Zergs don't build any roaches? From my "lower player perspective" it would seem that they are very useful in absorbing tank shots and marine fire so that zerglings and banelings can engage easier.


I do build roaches sometimes in the earlygame, before marines have 1+ upgrades and stim. But after that they are useless and will just eat into your supply count. Another issue is that you can't afford both melee and ranged upgrades.
Dont fuck up, dont fuck yourself
Bloodash
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands1384 Posts
February 28 2011 13:55 GMT
#1808
ret

GL on whatever your next goal is, you look good on cam so don't go anywhere! :p
I'll bite this hand that feeds me, and take it for my own!
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 28 2011 13:59 GMT
#1809
On February 28 2011 22:07 Aborash wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2011 20:59 darmousseh wrote:
I think people are confused. Phoenix only counter mutas in small number or if phoenix outnumber mutas. If zerg has enough mutas, then phoenix no longer counter due to splash damage from mutas.


Dude, just look at numbers, not only if mutas does splash dmg.

Phoenix Dps = 9

Muta Dps = 8,6 (In perfect scenario) 5,9 (In worst one)

Phoenix HP = 120 + 60

Muta HP = 120

Phoenix MS = 4,25 + atack while moving

Muta MS = 3,75

Phoenix Range = 4

Muta Range = 3


Tell me why u think people are confuse, and why mutas beats phoenix if numbers and gameplay show us the contrary.

Phoenix aren't 9 dps, they are 18. It's 18 dps vs 8.6 + 150% the hp.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-28 14:26:10
February 28 2011 14:24 GMT
#1810
Just watched the Ret vs CchapseungEu aka Jjob aka M aka MMA and have to say was very impressed by MMA (sorry to ret fans~). But having seen this guy play in the SlayerS vs Zenex GSTL matches (and almost pull out the reverse all-kill T-T) I've been a huge fan and it was great to see the games tonight. Had great micro and really nice multi tasking. Hoping to see him go far~
ლ(╹◡╹ლ)
tirentu
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1257 Posts
February 28 2011 14:47 GMT
#1811
So foreign zergs really struggle against Korean terrans. Interesting. Thank god TvT is good in this game.
phisku
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Belgium864 Posts
February 28 2011 15:02 GMT
#1812
can someone make a quick recap of the ret match pls?
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
February 28 2011 15:19 GMT
#1813
On February 28 2011 23:24 SenorChang wrote:
Just watched the Ret vs CchapseungEu aka Jjob aka M aka MMA and have to say was very impressed by MMA (sorry to ret fans~). But having seen this guy play in the SlayerS vs Zenex GSTL matches (and almost pull out the reverse all-kill T-T) I've been a huge fan and it was great to see the games tonight. Had great micro and really nice multi tasking. Hoping to see him go far~


I agree completely.

On March 01 2011 00:02 phisku wrote:
can someone make a quick recap of the ret match pls?


To put it briefly, ret went muta/ling/bling, with some infestors mixed in after a while. Terran went tank/marine with double ebay both games, and was constantly dropping, keeping ret's econ at bay and diverting his attention/units while the tank/marine got into good positions.

Game 1 eventually ret got like 7 broodlords just as the tank line got to his base, infestor/broodlord/muta + a few corruptors vs marine and 1 viking battle began, and my stream cut out (lol). Somehow ret lost his broods and the game.

Game 2 the Terran did a standard timing push with his tank/marine, but ret stalled its advance with enough lings to threaten if the terran tried to unsiege and advance, and ret started whittling terran's forces down with his muta ball. Terran diverted ret's attention with a drop at rets bases across the map, and retreated his remaining tank/marine from the push, allowing him to have a much larger force later. From what I've seen, most terrans would have just let that force get eaten up once the zerg got big enough; I was really impressed with that decision. Anyway, Terran pushed out again with a huge tank/marine force, and ret's broodlords were in the wrong place, and he just wasn't in position to deal with it. gg.
uSnAmplified
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1029 Posts
February 28 2011 15:22 GMT
#1814
Ug i wake up to find out this happened to ret

terrible day for zergs in general.
~
Irrelevant
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2364 Posts
February 28 2011 15:34 GMT
#1815
Grats to Jjob keeping the momentum coming out of the GSTL and playing great games
sandyph
Profile Joined September 2010
Indonesia1640 Posts
February 28 2011 15:37 GMT
#1816
Maka....
I've called it last month though

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=187809&currentpage=58#1148

I would be very surprise if he even try for the qualifier again
Put quote here for readability
Xadar
Profile Joined October 2010
497 Posts
February 28 2011 15:40 GMT
#1817
all zerg lost, surprise surprise.....
Overpowered
Profile Joined January 2011
Czech Republic764 Posts
February 28 2011 15:56 GMT
#1818
Damn...why all my fav players lose? :/ Maybe I should cheer Terrans more...
Just another gold Protoss...
RinconH
Profile Joined April 2010
United States512 Posts
February 28 2011 16:09 GMT
#1819
I'm a toss player so I have no dog in this fight but it just seems like Terran is too strong vs. Zerg.

Ret played very well, had superior supply, tons of money (bc he couldn't go past 200 supply) and was unable to dent Terran's maxed army.
Clare
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States372 Posts
February 28 2011 16:11 GMT
#1820
I really hope DRG qualifies for next season, I think he is a Zerg that could probably beat a lot of people because of his kinda unorthodox style. He's a lot more aggressive and has great unit control, and doesn't really play as standard as most Zergs. He plays Zerg in such a way that I think it would be very difficult for an opponent to actually prepare for him because he's not as predictable as Ret or IdrA.
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