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This thread is for discussing the games, not crying about balance. Thanks.
Arcanne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1519 Posts
February 28 2011 17:51 GMT
#1841
Yikes, game 2 ret really was so far ahead but zvT is so unforgiving if you dont engage well ><
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andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
February 28 2011 17:57 GMT
#1842
The Jjs have been impressive so far. Did this guy have a previous name? Destination is the other one, right?
HeroHenry
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1723 Posts
February 28 2011 17:58 GMT
#1843
Anyone else think that artosis with kelly is so much better than kelly with tasteless?
Coldviolet
Profile Joined August 2010
United States110 Posts
February 28 2011 17:58 GMT
#1844
So the only hope we have on 'foreigners' are Jinro and HuK? It's good to see HuK advancing, since huk and select both got disqualified from the prelim last time... at least huk is practicing hardcore in Korea.
Always Outnumbered, Never Outgunned.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
February 28 2011 18:08 GMT
#1845
=( so sad to see two of the top zergs in code A go out so early.

I guess, go leenock?
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
godemperor
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium2043 Posts
February 28 2011 18:08 GMT
#1846
On March 01 2011 02:58 HeroHenry wrote:
Anyone else think that artosis with kelly is so much better than kelly with tasteless?

Agreed Kelly and tasteless was soo akward, since they are both play by play casters. Artosilly is much better.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
February 28 2011 18:10 GMT
#1847
Sucks to be a zerg player in SC 2 . I hope July can banneling bust his way to a GSL title .
RinconH
Profile Joined April 2010
United States512 Posts
February 28 2011 18:12 GMT
#1848
On March 01 2011 02:58 HeroHenry wrote:
Anyone else think that artosis with kelly is so much better than kelly with tasteless?


Any cast with Artosis is better than a cast without Artosis.

He is the boss of SC2
eoLithic
Profile Joined July 2010
Norway221 Posts
February 28 2011 18:17 GMT
#1849
Sad to see the korean scene scaring away/crushing the foreigners that comes out there. It just seems so hard, going down there and have ONE chance of getting into to code-A, which is hard enough, but when you get in...well, Getting to like ro4 is it(qualify for code S) just seems a mile away for most of the foreigners.

I think we all knew that the days when foreigners were rocking code-S, would come to an end. I certainy think there`s hope, but I feel like people got so hyped and pumped about one or two foreigners shaking stuff up and were really climbing the high horse and actually believed that sc2 would be alot different(korea vs. the rest) from scbw.

I only see the gap growing from here on and out tbh. Anyways, ret showed some awesome games, but I do believe slayerS_M was the superior player today, too bad ret had to face him.
"You`re a pro or you`re a noob...that`s life"
Jayrod
Profile Joined August 2010
1820 Posts
February 28 2011 18:22 GMT
#1850
On March 01 2011 02:19 Fa1nT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2011 01:18 Jayrod wrote:
On February 28 2011 20:52 Essentia wrote:
On February 28 2011 20:51 Begtse wrote:
LOL zerg!

Did any zerg managed to move up in code A and S?
Besides July winnning against MVP the "god know how" way.

Also ZvZ doesn't count :p


And the only way July won was by doing gimmicky baneling busts.

You can't be serious... July completed outplayed MVP in game 1 and got kind of lucky in game 2, but it would have been anyones game if he didnt lift the rax. I'm not saying MVP played his best, but give credit where credit is due. Theres nothing gimicky about a baneling bust, its a viable strategy and July's baneling bust timing is different from any we've seen to date as he explains in his interview.


In game 1, July lost a ton of drones to MVP's hellions, he was all-in. MVP did not have his base walled off for some reason, so he could not stop the resulting all in. Did July out play him? Yes. But not convincingly.

In game 2, July sent the banelings up the ramp literally 5 seconds after MVP opened his wall to build add-ons. His attack would not have worked otherwise, as there was a bunker that he would not have had enough banelings to kill. Did July outplay mvp? Again, yes. But it was also incredibly lucky.

I am not sure July will get such easy wins when he runs into MC or MKP or Jinro.


I guess I just feel like he adapted well by putting so much pressure on. He effectively kept the army counts of both sides low to prolong the early game offering more chances for his busts to work. If he had failed an all-in or been way behind and just tried to macro up and redrone, he would have surely lost. I feel he wisely extended the early game to keep the numbers/counts low. I think this is a viable play style and not really gimicky. I just hate reading zergs call stuff like this gimicky when they should be analyzing it more and learning from it. Just because a guy didn't drone 6 minutes straight and build no units doesn't mean he's playing zerg incorrectly, being cheesey/gimicky, or getting lucky. Being unpredictable is an area where I think alot of zergs can learn from July.
Shockk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany2269 Posts
February 28 2011 18:22 GMT
#1851
On March 01 2011 03:17 eoLithic wrote:
I think we all knew that the days when foreigners were rocking code-S, would come to an end. I certainy think there`s hope, but I feel like people got so hyped and pumped about one or two foreigners shaking stuff up and were really climbing the high horse and actually believed that sc2 would be alot different(korea vs. the rest) from scbw.


There have never been "days when foreigners rocked code-S". IdrA showed a consistent performance till RO8/RO16 and Jinro made RO4 twice but that's it. In four seasons of GSL only three foreigners made notable appearances and only two of them advanced to the later stages of the tournament. That's hardly "rocking" anything.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
February 28 2011 18:25 GMT
#1852
Keep in mind that Ret had recently been very sick and had very little practice for his match, yet throughout the series he was still quite ahead at many points of the game.

What we saw last night was essentially Ret's worst play against one of the best Terrans of Code A, though even a sick and out of shape Ret can still be a formidable opponent.
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imbs
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom320 Posts
February 28 2011 18:28 GMT
#1853
On March 01 2011 03:25 eviltomahawk wrote:
Keep in mind that Ret had recently been very sick and had very little practice for his match, yet throughout the series he was still quite ahead at many points of the game.

What we saw last night was essentially Ret's worst play against one of the best Terrans of Code A, though even a sick and out of shape Ret can still be a formidable opponent.


regardless of how much practise he had he still completely outplayed the terran in the second game for the vast majority of it. denying every drop, bad turret timing and leaving tanks undefended all contributed to a big lead for ret. he was great in that game and certainly did not deserve to lose it.
Endorsed
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1221 Posts
February 28 2011 18:35 GMT
#1854
Damn, a few mistakes and not dealing with the drops well costed ret Game 1
Poocs
Profile Joined February 2011
94 Posts
February 28 2011 18:36 GMT
#1855
On March 01 2011 02:58 HeroHenry wrote:
Anyone else think that artosis with kelly is so much better than kelly with tasteless?


Pretty much the same. I still can't understand what she says. Unless I concentrate on that but I'd rather concentrate on the game. Haven't heard her say anything meaningful yet.
KoshkaTV
Profile Joined October 2010
United States430 Posts
February 28 2011 18:41 GMT
#1856
On March 01 2011 03:12 RinconH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2011 02:58 HeroHenry wrote:
Anyone else think that artosis with kelly is so much better than kelly with tasteless?


Any cast with Artosis is better than a cast without Artosis.

He is the boss of SC2


This is so true.... Artosis for SC2 prez!
www.KoshkaTV.com
Mephiztopheles1
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
1124 Posts
February 28 2011 18:42 GMT
#1857
Hmmmm I do feel there's two important things people are missing:

1. Three out four foreigners lost, yes. However, there are still two alive as one withdrew. What do these two have in common that the others don't? They don't play zerg. It doesn't matter that at any other skill level you can six pool your way to victory 60% of the time, at GSL/IEM/MLG level of competition you just can't. That means playing standard and at their level, it is not as much as an impossible task to play and win with zerg, is just that while your opponent gets to set up a third so easily in Xel'naga Caverns, a map with a 1-4 score thus far in GSL (Code S+A) in ZvT, Zerg struggles the time of his life just to get a half assed decent spot to pick a fight at. ZvT at this point, as July vs MVP showed is more about your opponent defeating himself and punishing that rather than winning.

2. The zerg representatives are out, and perhaps for a greater good, as now, both Jinro and HuK will get to show how strong foreigners can be when not handicapped by their race. I think we can all agree the former has already proven foreigners can compete and be really, really strong. So I strongly believe that it is not a matter of foreigners sucking ass but a matter of race. Not saying balance, it could be maps, it could be the mentality of the zerg player, don't know. But with Jinro as proof and HuK advancing, I'm not going to fall into the skill gap void just yet.
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
February 28 2011 18:44 GMT
#1858
On March 01 2011 03:28 imbs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2011 03:25 eviltomahawk wrote:
Keep in mind that Ret had recently been very sick and had very little practice for his match, yet throughout the series he was still quite ahead at many points of the game.

What we saw last night was essentially Ret's worst play against one of the best Terrans of Code A, though even a sick and out of shape Ret can still be a formidable opponent.


regardless of how much practise he had he still completely outplayed the terran in the second game for the vast majority of it. denying every drop, bad turret timing and leaving tanks undefended all contributed to a big lead for ret. he was great in that game and certainly did not deserve to lose it.


Didn't deserve to lose it? He made huge mistakes towards the end that cost him the game. He definitely deserved to lose it even if he was ahead during the beginning. Honestly it's pathetic how everyone on here suck up to foreigners so much.
The Notorious Winkles
Daniello
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland127 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-28 18:47:20
February 28 2011 18:47 GMT
#1859
Pretty much the same. I still can't understand what she says. Unless I concentrate on that but I'd rather concentrate on the game. Haven't heard her say anything meaningful yet.


So true m8.
xZiGGY
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom801 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-28 18:50:00
February 28 2011 18:49 GMT
#1860
zerg massacre :'( ret to nasl? o.O
Meh.
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