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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
On February 24 2011 22:39 DarkRise wrote: Did hongun throw that game away because if he did win he will face Check.Prime, his team mate Seems like it but NaDa avoids teamkill too and it was an entertaining game so no reason to complain really  | ||
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SicknO
Sweden5 Posts
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On February 24 2011 22:41 HolyArrow wrote: Stop crying. HongUn gave us a fun game, and yeah, he probably threw it to avoid a team kill. God forbid we see some lulzy stuff in the GSL when not too much is on the line. Double team kill actually Otherwise it would've been jinro vs nada | ||
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DuckSausage
United States83 Posts
On February 24 2011 22:41 HolyArrow wrote: Stop crying. HongUn gave us a fun game, and yeah, he probably threw it to avoid a team kill. God forbid we see some lulzy stuff in the GSL when not too much is on the line. God forbid we actually see some competitive play between two players who want to win. Isn't that what this tournament is all about? It doesn't seem right if players are losing their games on purpose. I realize that the context might be different from, say, something like the BW match-fixing scandals last year, but when players lose games on purpose, isn't that considered gaming the system / unfair / cheating? | ||
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vrok
Sweden2541 Posts
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DaRKMaTT3r
Brazil553 Posts
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andrea20
Canada441 Posts
On February 24 2011 22:47 DuckSausage wrote: It doesn't seem right if players are losing their games on purpose. I realize that the context might be different from, say, something like the BW match-fixing scandals last year, but when players lose games on purpose, isn't that considered gaming the system / unfair / cheating? But that's the point. Match-fixing was simply to get more money for all parties involved. Playing for fun in this game doesn't matter because betting sites only have odds for the first two games. | ||
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me_viet
Australia1350 Posts
On February 24 2011 22:47 DuckSausage wrote: God forbid we actually see some competitive play between two players who want to win. Isn't that what this tournament is all about? It doesn't seem right if players are losing their games on purpose. I realize that the context might be different from, say, something like the BW match-fixing scandals last year, but when players lose games on purpose, isn't that considered gaming the system / unfair / cheating? Welcome to Tournament Settings! lol just think why would Hongun want to reveal his vs Terran strat in a non-important match? Win or lose he's still going through. At least he had the decency of making it interesting. You also have no proof that he lost on purpose. For all we know, he's been trying to work in a Mothership into his play =P | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On February 24 2011 22:47 DuckSausage wrote: It doesn't seem right if players are losing their games on purpose. That's just arguing for the sake of arguing really. Nada winning was better for everybody, including both players, teams, fans and the competition. | ||
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brentsen
1252 Posts
On February 24 2011 22:48 DaRKMaTT3r wrote: I dont get why artosis is saying there's no Mothership build at all, we saw a decent amount of mothership play with Squirtle against MVP on GSTL, he tried to pull the Archon toilet and vortex is awesome on tanks since the tanks come out unsieged after the vortex. Maybe he meant like a Mothership "rush" build? He probably means that their is no specific and viable build with the goal to get a mothership. Yes you can get one later in the game and it might even be a good idea in some situations but you don't design your build around it. | ||
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Onlinejaguar
Australia2823 Posts
On February 24 2011 22:48 DaRKMaTT3r wrote: I dont get why artosis is saying there's no Mothership build at all, we saw a decent amount of mothership play with Squirtle against MVP on GSTL, he tried to pull the Archon toilet and vortex is awesome on tanks since the tanks come out unsieged after the vortex. Maybe he meant like a Mothership "rush" build? I think he meant a mothership build that is actually solid and figured out. What we have seen so far is very experimental. Although SC2 is so new you could almost say everything is experimental. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On February 24 2011 22:47 DuckSausage wrote: God forbid we actually see some competitive play between two players who want to win. Isn't that what this tournament is all about? It doesn't seem right if players are losing their games on purpose. I realize that the context might be different from, say, something like the BW match-fixing scandals last year, but when players lose games on purpose, isn't that considered gaming the system / unfair / cheating? You're right. Tournaments ARE about winning. And the game that HongUn played against Nada was completely irrelevant to winning, since both of them are advancing anyway. 1st/2nd merely determined who would face who in the next round, and in certain cases a player would want to get 2nd for a specific matchup in the next round, anyway. Now stop thinking so damn rigidly and be thankful that we have players who are actually crowd-pleasers. | ||
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DuckSausage
United States83 Posts
On February 24 2011 22:50 andrea20 wrote: But that's the point. Match-fixing was simply to get more money for all parties involved. Playing for fun in this game doesn't matter because betting sites only have odds for the first two games. Not quite. Match-fixing was to ensure that the money was made were won by people of a certain group, i.e. the people who were 'in' on the match-fixing. In this situation, HongUn's style of 'match-fixing' has a similar purpose: ensure that he avoids a team-kill through throwing the match. The 'group' in this situation is Prime. By purposefully losing, he can increase the chance that Prime will get farther in the tournament and, in turn, make more money as they progress. | ||
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DaRKMaTT3r
Brazil553 Posts
On February 24 2011 22:53 brentsen wrote: He probably means that their is no specific and viable build with the goal to get a mothership. Yes you can get one later in the game and it might even be a good idea in some situations but you don't design your build around it. Guess you're probably right. The only one that uses a build like that is really kiwikaki on his High Templar build on PvZ, He opens 3 gate FE, drops a stargate for a void to kill some overlords, sometimes get a phoenix, tech to to blink and storm and drop the Fleet Beacon for MS. Some games he loses like 5 mothership but he keeps remaking it. | ||
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kusto
Russian Federation823 Posts
On February 24 2011 22:56 DuckSausage wrote: Not quite. Match-fixing was to ensure that the money was made were won by people of a certain group, i.e. the people who were 'in' on the match-fixing. In this situation, HongUn's style of 'match-fixing' has a similar purpose: ensure that he avoids a team-kill through throwing the match. The 'group' in this situation is Prime. By purposefully losing, he can increase the chance that Prime will get farther in the tournament and, in turn, make more money as they progress. No he doesn't, because he also secured the possibility that both Prime players lose. The other way around one would have adavanced, which would be guaranteed. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On February 24 2011 22:56 DuckSausage wrote: By purposefully losing, he can increase the chance that Prime will get farther in the tournament and, in turn, make more money as they progress. Actually, one could argue that the chance for a Prime member to go into RO8 would be greater if HongUn faced Check. Because Jinro and Nada will shit all over them. =P | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On February 24 2011 22:45 SicknO wrote: Anyone knows what the techno/rave-song they played after the last game is called? Some new version of "Holding out for a Hero". | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On February 24 2011 22:59 kusto wrote: No he doesn't, because he also secured the possibility that both Prime players lose. The other way around one would have adavanced, which would be guaranteed. Great point. Considering Jinro and Nada's reputations, I'm pretty sure this was more about trying to avoid a team-kill rather than trying to get Prime players as far into the tournament as possible. | ||
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DuckSausage
United States83 Posts
On February 24 2011 22:59 kusto wrote: No he doesn't, because he also secured the possibility that both Prime players lose. The other way around one would have adavanced, which would be guaranteed. Good point. Perhaps it would have made more sense with regard to advancing the team for the two Prime players to face each other. Then again, maybe HongUn feels as or more confident by manipulating the matches like this. Who knows. The important part is, that match looked thrown. Don't like to see politics mixed in with gameplay. Keep it pure and simple. Then again, though, seeing as though Jinro faces an arguably 'lesser' player because of it (he doesn't have to play Nada), I guess this is where my rant = over. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
What HongUn was doing was Showmanship. He has competitive reasons to hide his main-builds that he's likely to use later. Even Nada went for an older, extremely safe TvP build, which also hides what he might do later. HongUn just took it up a step and threw out a Mothership build he had in his pocket. If Nada hadn't attacked when he did, it might have actually worked, too, lol. | ||
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