EPT[GSL March] Code A Ro32 Day 2 - Page 102
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
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kNightLite
United States408 Posts
On February 24 2011 03:07 SiguR wrote: I don't know what games you guys were watching, but haypro played amazingly well. it's unfortunate that playing well wasn't enough today, but that certainly doesn't mean he deserves to be criticized for it. A few months ago everyone was calling jinro a scrub that should leave korea because he didn't qualify two or three times in a row. Now everyone's got their nose up his bum (not that that's a bad thing). We should all know by now that not having immediate success in the GSL (especially when up against very good players) does not mean the player is incapable. Haypro's games were a hell of a lot better than previous code A zerg games, and even many code S games. I'll admit I wasn't 100% sold on Haypro in the past because I hadn't seen much of him, but that was some damn solid play last night. The difference between Jinro and Haypro is that Jinro improved very quickly over the course of 2-3 months. Haypro has not, and he's been playing full-time in Korea for almost a year now. Most NA/EU pros can only afford to play part time, and many in the GSL still go to school. Haypro has this massive opportunity to train in perhaps the best SC2 house in the world full time, and he's blown it. Everyone else in TL has posted solid results, either in tournaments or the ladder. And then there's the fact that his personality isn't the best either. It's not that Haypro is a bad player by any means, hes certainly high masters material, and playing Zerg is somewhat of a handicap. It's just that there's literally hundreds of more deserving European players out there. | ||
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dLKnighT
Canada735 Posts
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Turenne
331 Posts
On February 24 2011 07:25 kNightLite wrote: The difference between Jinro and Haypro is that Jinro improved very quickly over the course of 2-3 months. Haypro has not, and he's been playing full-time in Korea for almost a year now. Most NA/EU pros can only afford to play part time, and many in the GSL still go to school. Haypro has this massive opportunity to train in perhaps the best SC2 house in the world full time, and he's blown it. Everyone else in TL has posted solid results, either in tournaments or the ladder. And then there's the fact that his personality isn't the best either. It's not that Haypro is a bad player by any means, hes certainly high masters material, and playing Zerg is somewhat of a handicap. It's just that there's literally hundreds of more deserving European players out there. Do you know Haypro personally? | ||
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Gingerninja
United Kingdom1339 Posts
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GeorgeForeman
United States1746 Posts
Either way, they were really good, back-and-forth games. And the Terran did a fantastic job of denying expansions. I look forward to the day when nydus play (not "secret nydus in your base" but rather "nydus to my expansion so i can move units around more easily") is standard on that map. The other matches were fun. I was surprised to see Ace lose, but not as surprised as the casters, who didn't seem to notice that the Z was perpetually maxed and up 50-70 food for almost the entire first game. Coca played some very nice games and Ace just wasn't able to keep up. Leenock showed excellent play, too. He had the one mis-step losing all of his lings to the one baneling on Xel'Naga, but he came back with a SICK move, mineral walking his drones through enemy zerglings away from the remaining bane right afterwards. It was disappointing that that particular play didn't get more attention, as it basically saved the game for him. Overall, solid set of Code A matches. Let's hope Ret and Moonglade can advance. Foreigners are currently 1-2 for Code A. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
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Cyanocyst
2222 Posts
On February 23 2011 20:24 Bash wrote: Tasteless and kelly are reading this game entirely wrong and it's painful to listen to... the zerg is doing absolutely the right thing in constantly trading army to kill the valuable toss units, and the zerg has been winning for the vast majority of the game. Really really weird how little they understand the matchup. I agree Tasteless and Kelly, did make the wrong calls during the game on Metal, with Coca vs Ace. Come LateMid game, Zerg actually should become the aggressive race. We don't have the army to deal with a fully teched toss or terran for that matter. So being aggressive is really the only choice. Though when you think about Zerg units we actually have advantages to make this viable. We have the cheapest most replenishable units, most options of mobility, most map vision, and the easiest ability to switch composition. Whats really intriguing is Coca could have managed his eco a bit better, and more importantly spread creep better. If he gets those things down better, he could be great. Though i don't blame, Tasteless and Kelly for not really understanding what was going on. Its a new style, that should help Zergs deal with the new Macrocentric Toss and Terran play. | ||
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deesee
Australia54 Posts
Do many people know IdrA personally? Doesn't stop the vast majority having opinions about him - opinions we don't doubt based on immediate connection. I have to say I agree with kNightLite. I used to doubt Jinro, but he delivered. Boy, did he deliver. Hayder is still sitting in the same spot with me. I'll admit to being a bit of a hater at the moment. I'm so glad Leenock won though. It's a bit sad Yugioh met him so early. | ||
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Fluxx
Netherlands58 Posts
That guy was in the zone, his tactical insight and multitasking was absolutely mindblowing. To be honost alot of current Code S players would have done worse against the drops game1 | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10292 Posts
On February 23 2011 15:23 StutteR wrote: lol grab some fried chicken and bud light. Is that what Koreans think we eat/drink? No that's what I like to eat and drink while watching sports. Haha this is so beast xD Anyways, sad that Yugioh lost  Also, sad that Haypro lost Does this mean they will both be demoted to Code B? Or is there only a chance they will? | ||
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Iamyournoob
Germany595 Posts
On February 24 2011 06:02 godemperor wrote: I would not say Tasteless got outcasted hard, but Kelly is definitely improving and Tasteless seems to be struggling without Artosis there. I hope this is just a 1 time occurrence for Tasteless cos, i'm still a big fan. But he really need to step up his game considering Kelly is improving. Also Kelly's accent, not really a problem anymore, i guess my ears are just used to it now. I am not too satisfied with the cast by either of them. i don't mind kelly's accent, but I mind mis-pronounciation. The problem is that I don't need casters to explain and analyse, since I can do that myself, but I want them to hype the game, to create atmosphere and create excitement. I am a big fan of HuK and I was so glad to see him in the GSL. Hell, I was so happy to see him win and what do Tasteless and Kelly do as he takes game one? Well, they say "gg" but in what manner? There was no excitment in their voices, no energy, no devotion to the game. When someone casts a game, it is their job to make the game as entertaining as possible. If it is a bad game, then they are to make fun of it. If it is a good game, then they are to make it GREAT. And if they cast a great game, the casters have to deliver that greatness right into my room and make me feel the epicness of the match in every bone. Tasteless and Kelly don't do that, and Artosis and Tasteless only do so from time to time. I mean, it is the GSL. I am excited about that, but the commentators don't seem to be. I wasn't too excited about Dreamhack and Assembly, rather interested in it, but the casters (day9 for Dreamhack and Khaldor for Assembly) just made such a great event out of it because they devoted all their energy to casting the game that it blew me away. | ||
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Fighter
Korea (South)1531 Posts
I wouldn't go as far as some people and say that Haypro doesn't belong in Code A. I actually think he's right about where he deserves to be. With the skill I've seen from him, I could imagine him getting midway through Code A, but not deep. At the same time, I would be a bit surprised if he were unable to qualify for Code A. Also some times I just really can't understand why people criticize the casters. I've heard people criticize both Kelly AND Tasteless, and it just seems like such nitpicking... Tasteless may miss a few things, but honestly, who wouldn't? And to the people who complain about Kelly's accent: have you NEVER met a foreigner? Her accent is not bad. At all. I've had harder times understanding native english speakers from the south (US) or from certain parts of the UK. Plus her commentary is usually quite good. Not everyone can be Artosis, and Kelly actually seems more knowlegable than most internet casters. Oh yeah, and Kelly actually RESEARCHES the players she's about to cast, which is one thing I always wished Artosis and Tasteless would have done more. | ||
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Kammalleri
Canada613 Posts
A big reason he lost both games other than just facing a really solid opponents is because of his decision making, he looked like a guy playing not to lose rather than to win and at that level you can't afford that. Jinro was struggling in GSL too and I think the main reason why he's where he is, is because he won MLG and the confidence he got from that tournament really shows when he plays in GSL. Hayder doesn't have that at the moment and another first round exit won't really help. Even if he's better than some guys in Code A, I wonder if taking a month break or something and going back in Europe, play in foreign tournament and get the taste of winning would be the best thing for him at the moment. I just don't see him breaking out of his shell by staying in Korea. | ||
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drooL
United Kingdom2108 Posts
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AJMcSpiffy
United States1154 Posts
he played really well but he had some sloppy muta control in the first game and never canceled his hatcheries in the 2nd game. I hope he can have some more luck in the next GSL if he qualifies.As another note, I'm really glad to see Leenock make it through. Not sure why exactly, but I like that guy. | ||
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rolled64
United States24 Posts
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On February 24 2011 07:12 Geovu wrote: I'm not "going overboard trying to excuse Haypro for everything he does." There's a fine line between offering reasons for a certain result and blatant fanboyism, and I'm pretty sure I didn't cross that line. BBBP got to the round of 16 (almost Code S lol) and again, Haypro didn't know this guy would all in every game, so he lost to it. Haypro got bad luck to that kind of player because he wasn't able to show any of his skill in a decent game like he did against Ganzi, and again was unlucky to get paired up with such a good player. And season 3 was like what, less than a week after MK's finals? Sorry, it is my fault for kind of grouping you with the previous posters when those explanations belong to different posters. I just felt that the conversation went like this and sort of started assuming that I was talking to one person who kept coming up with new excuses: "Haypro got so unlucky for drawing these amazing players every time he plays in GSL" "I wouldn't call BBBP an amazing player" "Oh, well, but he's the most frustrating player to meet in a tournament because he flips a coin everygame and if you get bad maps or bad spawns, he gets an advantage" "But, Haypro's map draw against BBBP was pretty much the best anyone could have gotten as zerg against a cheesing terran" "Oh, well, but... [then here's where you come in]" So, I got a bit frustrated and may have lashed out on you as you were the last poster and I apologize. You're not fanboying over anyone. Back to the topic, it appears that Haypro did try to qualify for GSL2 but failed, so I'm not sure what you meant by Haypro just recently getting to Korea for GSL3. Knowing your opponent would all-in every game is not something that should even the ground. It's a huge advantage that should give you a win almost every game. You can see it in BBBP's terrible results after people found out he really likes all-ins. I just don't see not knowing that your opponent uses a same strategy every game as an excuse. There's a reason for the fog of war and there's a reason for players to scout. As for Ganzi, I do agree that he is a good player, but let's wait and see how far he gets in this tournament first. | ||
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Joementum
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Fighter
Korea (South)1531 Posts
On February 24 2011 09:32 Joementum wrote: Props to Kelly for the Yugioh jokes throughout the last game. Brought back some good memories from middle school. I kept waiting for them to say something about him needing to heart of the cards lol | ||
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