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I want to talk a little more about game 1 of Nada vs MKP. Apologies if this discussion is already going on somewhere else on the forums.
I think many people feel Nada threw away a big advantage, but I don't know how big it really was. The way I see it, this is what Nada needed to do:
1) Patrol and find MKP last remaining CC, move one of his buildings to keep tags on where it's going
This would have been enough to force a draw. However, going for a win was a lot more risky. He could have either:
2) Play aggresive: find and kill MKP's army, suicide his own army, build Viking (would have taken a long time and maybe declared a draw, still vulnerable against 4 below)
3) Play defensive: split his army to defend his starport and supply depot, suicide his army at supply depot and immediately start building Viking, while defending the starport and maintaining a big enough army to prevent MKP from landing his CC
Meanwhile, MKP had full vision so if he caught Nada's army off-guard he could:
4) Kill Nada's starport or supply depot.
It seems any way Nada tried to win he risked a loss. In fact, he botched almost all of the above and that's what happened: he let MKP CC land (1), didn't kill his army (2), didn't build a viking(3) and lost his supply depot and almost lost his starport (4).
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On January 19 2011 23:43 ELA wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 23:34 neppi wrote:On January 19 2011 23:32 ELA wrote:
Does anyone know why the Jinro interview wasnt uploaded yet? I've been spamming F5 for the last hour. Only the MKP-interview is up - Could this be due to Jinro mentioning something about hearing the korean casters in g4? What? Please explain? Obviosly, I havent seen the interview, but people have been saying, that Jinro said in the interview, that he heard the korean commentators going crazy in game 4 when idrA 6pooled.. I dont know if it's true or how he worded it.. My question was that if GOM could think that this was a bad interview to upload as it sort of attacks their setup quite abit if it is true.. It is strange that the MKP interview has been uploaded and the Jinro one hasnt, since Jinros game was played first
Jinro also cursed during the interview.......... seriously, no broadcaster would have uploaded that sorry interview. It made for an interesting listen but between cursing and saying something that would discredit GOMs entire setup, it isnt realistic to expect GOM to do so.
They probably editted out the part were Tasteless called some random commercial guy a "douche bag" as well lol
I do hope they address the sound proofing problems in the future though. Saying that, I have heard from a Tournament organiser here on Team Liquid that no setup in progaming is perfectly sound proofed anyway.
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On January 20 2011 00:01 mprs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 23:48 Belha wrote:
Blizz should really start to think how to fix these crappy "5min-gametime" pushes/maps. Ofc, gratz to Jinro, but for an e-sport game, this kind of series are a total failure. See: Yellow vs Boxer.
That's not analogous at all: by then, they were playing on league-selected maps, and broodwar had already been established as a game capable of consistently generating entertaining, varied games. Nobody chalked the lack of entertainment of that series up to map imbalance; I don't know what kind of memory you have...
EDIT: and it's interesting that you simply type "yellow vs boxer," not the specific bunker rush series, because Yellow vs Boxer was arguably one of the most famous rivalries that sustained and pushed broodwar forward as an esport in Korea, only that one series was shameful, everything else was full of excitement and anticipation.
god i feel as if trolled by a moron who didn't even watch bw
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On January 19 2011 23:55 radialis wrote:
i really want to watch the idra/jinro series, but it says i need to purchase a season ticket. when will i be allowed to watch it for free?
You can only watch the first game of a series for free. The standard-quality live stream is free, but high quality and the rest of the VODs require a ticket. It's like 10 dollars, though, for the whole season, so it's pretty reasonable if you want to see them. Semifinals and finals are still to come, too, and they'll hopefully be worth watching, as well :-)
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On January 19 2011 18:53 trucane wrote:
Bye bye loser IdrA.
User was temp banned for this post.
LOOOOOL - u banned that for saying LOSER ... WELL WHAT THE HECK DID IDRA DO ?! WON ???
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Bye bye winner Jinro !!! (see you in Ro4)
NOW - awaiting to get ban for calling Jinro "winner" ... sorry for this !
17-years MODS in need to express puberty
User was temp banned for this post.
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On January 20 2011 00:09 dormer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 23:55 radialis wrote:
i really want to watch the idra/jinro series, but it says i need to purchase a season ticket. when will i be allowed to watch it for free? You can only watch the first game of a series for free. The standard-quality live stream is free, but high quality and the rest of the VODs require a ticket. It's like 10 dollars, though, for the whole season, so it's pretty reasonable if you want to see them. Semifinals and finals are still to come, too, and they'll hopefully be worth watching, as well :-)
yeah thinking of buying it. the thing is, i'm not a big SC2 fan, i just watch a game every now and then. will the rest of the series ever be made free sometime soon? if not, i'll think about purchasing a ticket.
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On January 20 2011 00:04 features wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 23:43 ELA wrote:On January 19 2011 23:34 neppi wrote:On January 19 2011 23:32 ELA wrote:
Does anyone know why the Jinro interview wasnt uploaded yet? I've been spamming F5 for the last hour. Only the MKP-interview is up - Could this be due to Jinro mentioning something about hearing the korean casters in g4? What? Please explain? Obviosly, I havent seen the interview, but people have been saying, that Jinro said in the interview, that he heard the korean commentators going crazy in game 4 when idrA 6pooled.. I dont know if it's true or how he worded it.. My question was that if GOM could think that this was a bad interview to upload as it sort of attacks their setup quite abit if it is true.. It is strange that the MKP interview has been uploaded and the Jinro one hasnt, since Jinros game was played first Jinro also cursed during the interview.......... seriously, no broadcaster would have uploaded that sorry interview. It made for an interesting listen but between cursing and saying something that would discredit GOMs entire setup, it isnt realistic to expect GOM to do so. They probably editted out the part were Tasteless called some random commercial guy a "douche bag" as well lol I do hope they address the sound proofing problems in the future though. Saying that, I have heard from a Tournament organiser here on Team Liquid that no setup in progaming is perfectly sound proofed anyway.
You make it sound far worse than it was. If I remember correctly, the swearing was him saying "shit" once, and discredit Goms entire setup? Come on..
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aside from who should have done what i think MKP vs Nada showed that TvT is for the most part the best and most enjoyable matchup - with both plenty of micro and macro options .. mobilty used to its full potentital and a case where a-moving is never the answer.
Some of the best games of the GSL so far the other maybe being Jinro vs. MC
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On January 20 2011 00:10 Tomtaietot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 18:53 trucane wrote:
Bye bye loser IdrA.
User was temp banned for this post. LOOOOOL - u banned that for saying LOSER ... WELL WHAT THE HECK DID IDRA DO ?! WON ??? -------------------------------------- Bye bye winner Jinro !!! (see you in Ro4) NOW - awaiting to get ban for calling Jinro "winner" ... sorry for this ! 17-years MODS
No reason to be a doucebag about it.. Oneliner saying "Bye loser" is hardly contributing to the discussion... And that's the point of this forum, to contribute, not to flame or troll.. If you do that, you get banned - Quite simple
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On January 20 2011 00:10 Tomtaietot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 18:53 trucane wrote:
Bye bye loser IdrA.
User was temp banned for this post. LOOOOOL - u banned that for saying LOSER ... WELL WHAT THE HECK DID IDRA DO ?! WON ??? -------------------------------------- Bye bye winner Jinro !!! (see you in Ro4) NOW - awaiting to get ban for calling Jinro "winner" ... sorry for this ! 17-years MODS
In case anybody agrees with this terribly worded post, the poster in question was banned not for that single post, but for a history of IdrA-hating one liners with little to contribute. Don't be one of those guys and you'll be fine.
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Looooool I'm 4th on liquidbet and I barely watch sc2. This is awesome. Go Jinro!
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On January 19 2011 18:53 trucane wrote:
Bye bye loser IdrA.
User was temp banned for this post.
I dont see why someone has to be banned for calling Idra loser. I mean, he lost, didnt he?
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On January 20 2011 00:10 Tomtaietot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 18:53 trucane wrote:
Bye bye loser IdrA.
User was temp banned for this post. LOOOOOL - u banned that for saying LOSER ... WELL WHAT THE HECK DID IDRA DO ?! WON ??? -------------------------------------- Bye bye winner Jinro !!! (see you in Ro4) NOW - awaiting to get ban for calling Jinro "winner" ... sorry for this ! 17-years MODS
No you will get banned because you are implying mods are a bunch of immature 17 year olds.
You are just making their job harder, on a pretty hectic day, when they most likely want to celebrate Jinros victory, instead they have to babysit Idra fanatics
I respect Idra, but i dont like his fanboys, you are guys are dragging this entire site down every time he loses and come up with 20,000 reasons why the guy who beat your guy didnt deserve it
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On January 20 2011 00:05 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 00:01 mprs wrote:On January 19 2011 23:48 Belha wrote:
Blizz should really start to think how to fix these crappy "5min-gametime" pushes/maps. Ofc, gratz to Jinro, but for an e-sport game, this kind of series are a total failure. See: Yellow vs Boxer. That's not analogous at all: by then, they were playing on league-selected maps, and broodwar had already been established as a game capable of consistently generating entertaining, varied games. Nobody chalked the lack of entertainment of that series up to map imbalance; I don't know what kind of memory you have... EDIT: and it's interesting that you simply type "yellow vs boxer," not the specific bunker rush series, because Yellow vs Boxer was arguably one of the most famous rivalries that sustained and pushed broodwar forward as an esport in Korea, only that one series was shameful, everything else was full of excitement and anticipation. god i feel as if trolled by a moron who didn't even watch bw
Thats the series I was referring to obviously, since it is the most relevant...
The point of mentioning it is that these all-in pushes done at the higher levels (aka top 8?) are actually kind of necessary. Its a mind game and you don't want the game to lose that. Yes we don't want a shit ton of it either, like we see in the ro32 and Code A. Today, out of 4+3 matches, we saw it twice. One of them was extremely exciting... So I'm not really sure what the problem with today was.
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On January 20 2011 00:11 teumas wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 00:04 features wrote:On January 19 2011 23:43 ELA wrote:On January 19 2011 23:34 neppi wrote:On January 19 2011 23:32 ELA wrote:
Does anyone know why the Jinro interview wasnt uploaded yet? I've been spamming F5 for the last hour. Only the MKP-interview is up - Could this be due to Jinro mentioning something about hearing the korean casters in g4? What? Please explain? Obviosly, I havent seen the interview, but people have been saying, that Jinro said in the interview, that he heard the korean commentators going crazy in game 4 when idrA 6pooled.. I dont know if it's true or how he worded it.. My question was that if GOM could think that this was a bad interview to upload as it sort of attacks their setup quite abit if it is true.. It is strange that the MKP interview has been uploaded and the Jinro one hasnt, since Jinros game was played first Jinro also cursed during the interview.......... seriously, no broadcaster would have uploaded that sorry interview. It made for an interesting listen but between cursing and saying something that would discredit GOMs entire setup, it isnt realistic to expect GOM to do so. They probably editted out the part were Tasteless called some random commercial guy a "douche bag" as well lol I do hope they address the sound proofing problems in the future though. Saying that, I have heard from a Tournament organiser here on Team Liquid that no setup in progaming is perfectly sound proofed anyway. You make it sound far worse than it was. If I remember correctly, the swearing was him saying "shit" once, and discredit Goms entire setup? Come on..
Its not hyberbole if Im not giving specifics 
Just leaving a few blanks for people to interpret as they will, but still what was said was easily grounds for removal.
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Jinro said that he heard the commentators shouting and sent out a scout to check what was up. But he also said that even though he sent out a scout, the scout didn't actually see anything of value.
Because of this he was still caught off-guard, and in a panic accidentally cancelled his marine. This ended up saving him the game, since the timing for the marine coming out was off and Idra was unable to catch it before it went into the bunker.
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On January 20 2011 00:13 stinger_ro wrote:
aside from who should have done what i think MKP vs Nada showed that TvT is for the most part the best and most enjoyable matchup - with both plenty of micro and macro options .. mobilty used to its full potentital and a case where a-moving is never the answer.
Some of the best games of the GSL so far the other maybe being Jinro vs. MC
I actually think their TvT was pretty mediocre, even if the outcome on Plateau and Xel'Naga were very strange. I've found TvT to be the most enjoyable matchup since late in the beta when a lot of Terran switched to mass barracks play pumping mass marauders. The balance between marines, tanks, then adding on vikings or banshees, and still peppering in marauders when the time is right and keeping your forces mobile and engaging at small skirmishes make it entertaining.
There really hasn't been too much pure turtle out of terran with massive tanks(lol Goodey). I actually wouldn't mind a TvT final just because the matches are usually entertaining on the whole, and maps/balance cant be brought up.
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On January 20 2011 00:16 mprs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 00:05 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On January 20 2011 00:01 mprs wrote:On January 19 2011 23:48 Belha wrote:
Blizz should really start to think how to fix these crappy "5min-gametime" pushes/maps. Ofc, gratz to Jinro, but for an e-sport game, this kind of series are a total failure. See: Yellow vs Boxer. That's not analogous at all: by then, they were playing on league-selected maps, and broodwar had already been established as a game capable of consistently generating entertaining, varied games. Nobody chalked the lack of entertainment of that series up to map imbalance; I don't know what kind of memory you have... EDIT: and it's interesting that you simply type "yellow vs boxer," not the specific bunker rush series, because Yellow vs Boxer was arguably one of the most famous rivalries that sustained and pushed broodwar forward as an esport in Korea, only that one series was shameful, everything else was full of excitement and anticipation. god i feel as if trolled by a moron who didn't even watch bw Thats the series I was referring to obviously, since it is the most relevant... The point of mentioning it is that these all-in pushes done at the higher levels (aka top 8?) are actually kind of necessary. Its a mind game and you don't want the game to lose that. Yes we don't want a shit ton of it either, like we see in the ro32 and Code A. Today, out of 4+3 matches, we saw it twice. One of them was extremely exciting... So I'm not really sure what the problem with today was.
I'd argue that the stale maps are creating a very tilted metagame in TvZ overall, it's not just isolated mindgames in the late tournament. TvZ close positions metalopolis this season is 11-4, with 1 of those 4 losses being nada to idra with his cutesy thor stuff and another being Jinro attempting to 2base vs nex.drug, despite 1base clearly being a fine choice. I'm not sure of the TvZ stats on Jungle Basin, but I'd expect them to be similar (I admittedly haven't been watching too many games but the only Z win I can remember off the top of my head is fruitdealer vs bitbybit where bitbybit pulled all his scvs in GSL3). Arguably, maps were the reason for idra's quick gg in game 2 and 6pool in game 4 (though the latter one is more idra's "fault," I found the former decision perfectly reasonable given the situation)
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On January 20 2011 00:15 Grummler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 18:53 trucane wrote:
Bye bye loser IdrA.
User was temp banned for this post. I dont see why someone has to be banned for calling Idra loser. I mean, he lost, didnt he?
I don't know if this has something to do with English not being your first language but "loser" is an insult meant to cast doubt on whether or not someone is capable of succeeding in life.
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haven't watched sc2 in forever but the idra/chinro series was lolzy (esp. g2)
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