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FreeUrMind
Profile Joined November 2005
639 Posts
January 17 2011 10:47 GMT
#1201
Stop bitching guys... money is on the table so everyone plays for the win! If SSKS wants to play macro games he better find a way to stop MVP's one base attack or allin as you would call it!
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BobMcJohnson
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
France2916 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-17 10:47:53
January 17 2011 10:47 GMT
#1202
On January 17 2011 19:46 Moonwrath wrote:
Is it possible to have MVP vs NesTea final? That would be crazy IM vs IM


They meet in ro4 iirc
Romanes eunt domus
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
January 17 2011 10:47 GMT
#1203
On January 17 2011 19:44 Nyovne wrote:
STAY ON TOPIC or face the hammer ROOARRRR


quoting to safe people

altough i think the snowball is already rolling
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
xAPOCALYPSEx
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
1418 Posts
January 17 2011 10:47 GMT
#1204

On January 17 2011 19:45 norlock wrote:
Can any protoss explain me why to go for Stalker heavy? Vs marauder + pdd, isn't it better to go zealot + sentry + immortal? I am not sure about this but i think it is much better.


That would have been eaten alive by the hellions
Gudeldar
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1200 Posts
January 17 2011 10:47 GMT
#1205
On January 17 2011 19:45 norlock wrote:
Can any protoss explain me why to go for Stalker heavy? Vs marauder + pdd, isn't it better to go zealot + sentry + immortal? I am not sure about this but i think it is much better.


Then you just die to the banshee he has with is army, sentries don't actually do damage they just ask the enemy units to die politely.
Poilon
Profile Joined December 2010
France139 Posts
January 17 2011 10:47 GMT
#1206
This helion drop did exactly what MVP wanted, make tester use his FF, then he will not have enough FF to counter the All-in after that.
Des rats des rats
Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
January 17 2011 10:47 GMT
#1207
On January 17 2011 19:47 bearhug wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2011 19:46 Moonwrath wrote:
Is it possible to have MVP vs NesTea final? That would be crazy IM vs IM


impossible. they have to face each other in Ro4.

Ahh damn, well at least it's going to be an epic match.
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HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
January 17 2011 10:47 GMT
#1208
You'd think Tester would know how to defend this build from MVP, it's not that uncommon really. Instead he looks like he has no idea. A few phoenix and extra immortals help alot against something like this to my experience. Now the pure unit compositions favor Terran so immensely.

Nice games though and P users better get ready to see alot more of this on ladder soon
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noD
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
January 17 2011 10:48 GMT
#1209
On January 17 2011 19:46 Moonwrath wrote:
Is it possible to have MVP vs NesTea final? That would be crazy IM vs IM


no, nor nada x jinro final ...
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
January 17 2011 10:48 GMT
#1210
On January 17 2011 19:37 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2011 19:35 Mooncat wrote:
lol... Tastosis are really overdoing it now. FF to block off blue hellions in your base is fucking standard.... o.O

Sure, it was well executed by Tester, but Artosis just called it the coolest thing in the world...


It was a combination of well placed force field, the decision to do that while being harassed in the front with his units, and doing so damn fast at the last possible moment.


Yes, but nevertheless it was a very well executed standard technique in a potentially dangerous situation. Tastosis totally failed to point that out instead just calling it "the coolest thing they've ever seen" as if they had just seen someone place 5 nukes all over the map at the same time or something.

Instead of totally exaggerating things they should rather explain why something was good or very difficult to execute in a certain situation, etc. Furthermore, when you call everything "the best" "the coolest" "the weirdest" "the sickest" you'll eventually run out of superlatives to describe REALLY impressive stuff.
"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
Zaurus
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore676 Posts
January 17 2011 10:48 GMT
#1211
On January 17 2011 19:43 zocktol wrote:
Im just dissapointed. Comparing these Games today to European or American events, it seems the games played there are a lot more entertaining to watch.


Macro games are definitely good to watch. Most terran will just FE in respond to Protoss FE. However, if you just look at how ridiculously crushed ssks was by immvp, why did eu and na ppl not use it? why expand when u can kill ssks by such a big margin? ppl simply dont have the confident that their all in will work. Not all allin can be execute nicely. ppl play to win, not to entertain. mecro is not equal to better. macroing is as easy as ABC to the koreans, is standard procedures to the koreans pro-gamer, especially those who play BW
elliminist
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan121 Posts
January 17 2011 10:48 GMT
#1212
Compared to NesTea Choya games, MVP and Tester games are actually what are saving this GSL night for me.

They're exciting dynamic and full of tricks that each player is doing to make their win % go up. Amazing observer deflection with marine and raven positioning twice in game 1. Incredible forcefielding against blue flame hellions.

All-in play isn't as fun as a full scale macro war, but it's still a great timing attack execution.

Interesting to see that also on an off topic note that it's cold enough over in Korea that they need to use hand warmers before games, even though they've warmed up alot already. (They were both using them in the booths before game 3)

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nanoscorp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1237 Posts
January 17 2011 10:48 GMT
#1213
Debating the entertainment value of the all-in is fine but I think the comparisons to BBB need to stop. MVP's pushes hit with a respectable portion of the Terran tech tree and precise control, and so far have come in after some micro-heavy harassment. BBB a-moves marines and scvs.
Moragon
Profile Joined October 2010
United States355 Posts
January 17 2011 10:48 GMT
#1214
I wonder how fast all those SCV's are gonna kill the back rocks.
Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
January 17 2011 10:48 GMT
#1215
On January 17 2011 19:43 Dfgj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2011 19:40 Deadlyfish wrote:
On January 17 2011 19:38 Scoop wrote:
On January 17 2011 19:36 Deadlyfish wrote:
He doesnt need to go all-in : /

Come on MVP, dont do all-in next game


True, he would've won either way. Nothing Protoss can do to stop that.



Well the protoss sort of reached a point-of-no-return being so greedy.

So many builds look unstopable only because of what the opponent is doing.

Taking your natural in a game that is ten minutes long is not 'so greedy' what the hell man.



All you terrans are so used to having cheap bio armies supported by mule and cost absolutely negligible gas, and so dont even understand why toss has to expand. Gateway vs bio leads to absolute carnage for the gateway once stim hits. It is essential to either have higher tech. However for toss to get higher tech army in reasonable numbers, it is essential to expand.

For the all the hype that MC generated last season, the only good terran he faced last season was Jinro, who played like crap during the semi finals compared to his usual standards. I doubt that MC would have even won the tourney if he had to meet someone like MVP, who has flawless execution in early stage.
Envy fan since NTH.
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
January 17 2011 10:48 GMT
#1216
On January 17 2011 19:46 FrostedMiniWeet wrote:
Pretty much every single match tonight has been some form of all-in or cheese. I really hope something is done to fix this. This type of play is really detrimental to the longer term success of the game.

It's because they are the strongest strategies. I think the the more that people who watch the Pro's do these super crazy 1 base attacks, more and more they will realize that currently, that is how the game was made to be played.

I enjoy watching the games regardless.
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
ZXRP
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa114 Posts
January 17 2011 10:48 GMT
#1217
There is no need to overcomplicate matters. A properly executed banshee/raven all-in simply kills a Protoss FE, because he hasn't had time to get out colossi yet. I have made my peace with it and stay on one base if I see the Terran going for it. Get out two colossi and laugh all the way to the bank.
If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the Universe - Carl Sagan
bearhug
Profile Joined September 2010
United States999 Posts
January 17 2011 10:49 GMT
#1218
Imagine if MKP did those all ins, people will .....
We are dusts in the vast cosmic arena. Need to make the most out of life when we still have it.
Kamais_Ookin
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada4218 Posts
January 17 2011 10:49 GMT
#1219
Shakuras now, hoping for a macro game here although quick 3-0 doesn't hurt either, need to wake up early tomorrow for school.
I <3 Plexa.
palookieblue
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia326 Posts
January 17 2011 10:49 GMT
#1220
On January 17 2011 19:46 Razyel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2011 19:44 palookieblue wrote:
On January 17 2011 19:42 Telcontar wrote:
On January 17 2011 19:41 palookieblue wrote:
On January 17 2011 19:39 dunc wrote:
On January 17 2011 19:36 MrCon wrote:
When MVP use allin build, it's not your average bitbybit stupid allin, it's a fucking scary dangerous allin. Sick, I can't beleive he could roll over Tester 3-0.


It's pathetic either way.

You've got some lofty standards there. Why play catch-up and expand yourself when you've got sick execution, unit mix and control?

Not everyone likes 60 minute games.

And not everyone likes 10 minutes games. We're not asking for an hour long games just something that we can sink our teeth into. I mean that is what we're here for right? To spectate some awesome games?

Blame Tester for not holding off the most common 1 base push against Protoss. It was pretty much the exact same as the first game, minus the added hellions. Why should MVP change his style when it's obvious Tester doesn't have an answer for it?

If you can't hold the FE, then don't FE.

How would you hold that ?

To be honest, I don't think I could, because I'm shitty.
However I'd definitely go stargate tech before expanding, Plexa made a few posts about how early stargate play can nullify the Raven/Banshee presence.
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