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BlueSorc
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United Kingdom119 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 14:18:38
January 09 2011 14:17 GMT
#1
Okay, so, hear me out.

This is an idea that I've been bandying around with for a long, long time. Having heard Day9's call to "make e-sports happen" (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182499) and having a large amount of free time to spend over the next few months, I thought "Hey, why not try and see what my time can do?".

One of the only issues I have ever had with the Starcraft scene is that being a beginner can feel very isolated. Unless you have a friend who plays the game, its difficult to find a practice partner of your level and its difficult to find any sort of "meaningful" competitive environment where you regularly play against names that you know and recognise. Beyond playing for the sheer joy of the game, this gives you no reason to continue playing aside from collecting achievements and advancing up an impersonal ladder.

My vision of an attempt to help this is a regular team-based league competition for beginners, beginners being defined as either bronze through gold or bronze through platinum. Given that I am from the EU, it would be based on the EU server. Users presently in the lower leagues would enter the competition and be assigned to a team of perhaps 10-15 players. Teams would be encouraged to play and practice together and there would be a number of weekly "social" competitions to try and encourage this. Each weekend, teams would face off against each other in a BW Proleague-style format. Thus, your week of SC2 gaming would be dedicated towards training for your "big match" on a Saturday or Sunday. Hopefully, we'll see some of our rough diamonds grow into beautiful diamond leaguers by the end of the season, and have a lot of fun in the process.

If the GSL is Premier League football, then this would be sunday league pub football.

Teams would probably be based on nationalities and given American-style silly sports team names (e.g. UK Monarchs, Sweden Vikings). This sorts out time differences, language divides and, hopefully, fosters some outside interest as viewers will be able to support their national team.

With a bit of hard work, probably from me, a highlights youtube video could be produced give the entire competition a sense of cohesiveness, as opposed to a bunch of random games being played each week. I could see the tournament also acting as an opportunity for those interested in trying out casting games to get a bit of experience, too.

So: Is this a format that appeals to anybody?

Do people feel there is a place in the Starcraft biosphere for a competition like this?

Is anybody reading this interested in competing?

Does anyone have any other suggestions, thoughts or comments whatsoever?

I'd be really, really enthusiastic to hear people's feedback.

If this is uneccessary and unwanted, I'm happy to drop it. If there's a good amount of people willing to give it a go, I think it would be a great deal of fun to give it a try.
DMcKechnie
Profile Joined August 2010
Scotland75 Posts
January 09 2011 14:57 GMT
#2
I would be very interested in something like this. As you've said it's very hard to find practice partners at the lower levels and this would give a great incentive for players to work together and practice. Playing in a competitive environment would also be a great experience as I've so far been unable to participate in any of the lower league tournaments that have been going every so often.
Flew
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom133 Posts
January 09 2011 16:23 GMT
#3

I'm glad to see a fellow UK gamer who was also inspired by Day9's call to arms! I'm interested in getting involved and the first step is to gather people together so we have a team of people who will work to get things started and promote this.

I think your idea is good, but it will take a lot of work and time (which I'm sure you're aware of). I recommend starting small (maybe in the UK?) and then working your way up. I would love to see the UK community grow and organise itself, and I think the new chat channels will help with this.

I definitely relate to the feeling of being isolated. Only a few of my RL friends are gamers, but none play Starcraft. I met most of my gaming friends through WoW, and some of these play SC and will practise with me. However, they're mostly based in Holland and Sweden, so when they organise LAN parties I can't attend except for maybe once a year. I would love to see more LANs in the UK - just small gatherings of people getting together, playing some SC and maybe having our own mini-tournaments. When the community gets to know each other and communicates more, it'll become easier to find practice partners and organise bigger events.

In order to get this off the ground I think you'll need to promote your idea a lot and really encourage people to get involved. I've seen other SC players trying to get UK / EU tournaments off the ground. Maybe get in touch with them and see if they're interested in working together?

Finally, I think what you're suggesting isn't just a tournament, but a community. I would love to see it succeed and I'm happy to support it.
Krikan
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway520 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 16:55:53
January 09 2011 16:47 GMT
#4
Really good idea here tbh. I often feel that one of the things lacking in the sc2 community is something to introduce people to tournament play and giving them something to build further upon. I got quite a few gamer friends these days, and some of them even got sc2, but getting them to do anything other than play teamgames is kinda hard cause they all find 1v1 to be "boring". Stuff like this would really give newer players, and people mostly interested in teamgames, a chance to branch out in 1v1 and not have it just be this isolated experience where you work on your own.

I have seen some other ideas like this one thrown around, but it really didn't seem like any of them ever got of the ground. Organizing something like this will off course be rather difficult and it might be a good idea to just start small and have it more like the current sc2 team matches go. Both teams choose 4 players to play, and you play BO1s where the loosing player "dies" and the team with the loosing player chooses a new one. This wouldn't require as many players to get started, but would still provide all the players with practice partners and something to work towards. Having a team captain or something would probably also help alot with the organisation part.

Not quite sure if it's supposed to be an online or offline thing with the social gatherings, but if it's meant to be online i'd be interested in helping out with this as I got a school schedule this semester that's pretty chill, i get off at 12 every day almost <3, so yeah, get in touch here on TL or something if you're looking for some help.
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Gingerninja
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1339 Posts
January 09 2011 16:52 GMT
#5
If I was going to be in the UK I'd be all over this, unfortunately I won't be around at sociable hours for that to happen. But I love the Idea, Your right in your thought process comparing it to lower league sports. Not everyone can play at the highest level, but they still like to compete, and occasionally a Diamond in the rough is found through this system.
I'm all for growing E-Sports in any way possible. Good luck organising this. Excellent Idea. Hopefully others think so too.
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Jetaap
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France4814 Posts
January 09 2011 17:42 GMT
#6
I'm in gold and I think it would be funny to play so matches from time to time . Good luck with your project !
s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
January 09 2011 17:57 GMT
#7
I would participate.

But it would be great to let all of the teams sign in, no matter the skill.

The biggest teams won't bother joining in anyways as their players have a busy schedule anyway.
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TheMariner
Profile Joined October 2010
United States14 Posts
January 09 2011 18:03 GMT
#8
I'd be interested in helping to form a NA team.
Slowly getting better.
ekra
Profile Joined December 2010
Spain52 Posts
January 09 2011 18:41 GMT
#9
I think it's a really good idea.
I'm in silver and I'd love to participate.
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
January 09 2011 21:02 GMT
#10
You had me at "sunday league pub football". I think this is a great idea, will take quite a bit of effort to get underway though, but great idea nonetheless. I think there are plenty of people that feel isolated and this could really help bring out the best in the community.
BlueSorc
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United Kingdom119 Posts
January 10 2011 00:24 GMT
#11
Many thanks for your comments thus far. Seems like there's an appetite for this, I'll start planning carefully how I'm going to try and make it happen.

@Krikan. Should have clarified that I mean "online" "social" gatherings. Ideas would be something like an organised series of Day[9] Funday Monday team monobattles or a 2v2v2v2 BGH tournament. Something where you're forced to play in a team with your teammates, over skype or teamspeak, having fun. The idea is that it would be relatively quick, so you can fit in some practice games afterwards. Undoubtedly going to need huge amounts of help to pull this off to my satisfaction, so will be in touch.

@TheMariner, a NA team would be an interesting logistical challenge. With a smurf account or two, it could be made to work though.

@All, what do you feel should the skill cut off should be? Gold? Platinum? Is there an argument to trying to get a small number of diamond players involved in the team, essentially acting as coaches. For the games, I'm feeling there should be some sort of requirement to play weaker players, so that everyone gets a piece of pie each weekend.
luxx
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States140 Posts
January 10 2011 08:15 GMT
#12
I would love to see an open team series / pro-league format EU league, even without the low level restrictions.
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MooMOo
Profile Joined March 2010
180 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 08:24:03
January 10 2011 08:23 GMT
#13
I am diamond, so IDK if i would be able to play. But i kind of wanted to do something like this awhile ago. Would love to help but dont have EU Account if it came to USA i would be glad to be Manager and coach, as Im in diamond so might be able to help. Also wouldnt mind trying to cast some stuff.
kAisc2
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom85 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 08:28:49
January 10 2011 08:27 GMT
#14
i would love this mate , been looking for a team recently but with these leagues i wouldn't have to , you should setup a irc channel for this , would be great :D
Svenskfella
Profile Joined October 2010
Spain26 Posts
January 10 2011 08:48 GMT
#15
I'm Silver and got quite a busy schedule, but I'm willing to put some extra hours to help setting this up :}
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Zrana
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom698 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 08:53:10
January 10 2011 08:52 GMT
#16
This sounds cool, count me in

I'm in plat/low diamond kinda level so even if i couldnt participate it would be a cool way to get people to practise with.
AyameStarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom192 Posts
January 10 2011 09:01 GMT
#17
I'm interested in this. After reading all these "I'm interested" replies you must now be thinking about laying the groundwork for such a thing no?
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Dave.
Profile Joined August 2010
Ireland272 Posts
January 10 2011 09:49 GMT
#18
I'd love to be involved with this too, great idea.
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alurlol
Profile Joined October 2010
England197 Posts
January 10 2011 10:16 GMT
#19
I'd be up for this, sounds like a good idea!

Keep us updated.
Oaths
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands7 Posts
January 10 2011 10:45 GMT
#20
Seems amazing.
+1
zorion
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden72 Posts
January 10 2011 10:54 GMT
#21
very interseted =)
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Zerglot
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia229 Posts
January 10 2011 10:58 GMT
#22
I would love to be involved in doing something like this, however I think it would also be good to incorporate diamond level players just because it will allow a broader range of skill and can help the 'newbies' when practicing to ultimately make the teams better
Ajunta
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany522 Posts
January 10 2011 11:00 GMT
#23
Sounds good.
I would definitely compete in this.
CaptainTwig
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom532 Posts
January 10 2011 11:43 GMT
#24
Sounds like great idea.
I defiantly share your feelings of isolation when playing and would be well up for joining a UK beginners team as im silver league and feel my rate of learning is slowing after just playing ladder games. Real competetive starcraft isn't something I've experienced yet, so count me in, I'd love to see this develop.
mrtn
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands8 Posts
January 10 2011 12:45 GMT
#25
Sounds like a neat idea to me. And I'm definitely willing to help out with anything that's needed, because I'm also feeling a bit isolated when playing sc2.
My friends aren't playing starcraft, and it's hard to find practise partners when you're playing in the the lower leagues. Also I think it's good to get some more competitive stuff for the lower leagues, and maybe even some nice plat/diamond players to coach or play against.

Not like anyone could stop me.
Ren91
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom190 Posts
January 10 2011 12:54 GMT
#26
Sounds great. and im definitly in ^^ would have to have a pretty big ts server though ... got a few mates that I play with but most of them I either steamroll or get steamrolled by .
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plainsane
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany98 Posts
January 10 2011 13:58 GMT
#27
I know the feeling. Laddering seems so random at times and hardly ever do i play someone i played before. I am certainly interested in a league like this.
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 14:04:27
January 10 2011 14:03 GMT
#28
I support the initiative to get this going on the EU servers. So few cool things happen in our region. =P

It's a good idea and people who play in it will probably improve faster and have more motivation to focus on practice and improvement rather than just grinding wins for a promotion.
Treziel
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom123 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 14:07:45
January 10 2011 14:06 GMT
#29
I'd definitely be interested and would play in this if it happened! I play with a few friends but most are worse than me in 1 v 1 as they don't play 1 v 1 ladder, just team games, so yea, this would be awesome.
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
January 10 2011 14:20 GMT
#30
this is a really good idea.

i remember i started playing WC3 a few months after release, but had no idea of the tournament scene/didn't care much for improving for the first few years, and then when i really tried getting better i wished something like your idea had existed. i still managed to become pretty good for a while but it would've been way easier if i hadn't had to mass ladder and try to find some people to train with.

i haven't even started playing multiplayer SC2 yet (still on campaign), but i would definitely be interested in participating in this at some point, probably in the rather near future. i will want to optimize playing time anyways cause i don't really have that much time to devote to SC2 currently.
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kusu
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden440 Posts
January 10 2011 14:31 GMT
#31
Awesomly awesome! Gonna be in it if it happens
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BlueSorc
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United Kingdom119 Posts
January 10 2011 15:42 GMT
#32
Many thanks for all your responses.

I'm working hard right now on the groundwork for this. Expect a more formal post requesting sign ups over the next day or so.
kAisc2
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom85 Posts
January 10 2011 18:04 GMT
#33
i need it right now heehee ) gd idea btw
Spudhead
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4 Posts
January 10 2011 20:03 GMT
#34
Brilliant idea! Definitely would want to get involved
Krede
Profile Joined December 2010
Denmark139 Posts
January 31 2011 20:35 GMT
#35
This is a very good idea, i'd definitely take part...
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