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wintergt
Profile Joined February 2010
Belgium1335 Posts
December 24 2010 11:10 GMT
#1921
What is the rest of the terran line-up?
here i am
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4522 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-24 11:10:49
December 24 2010 11:10 GMT
#1922
Nice game, DT's are very good when T doesn't have mobile detection. Gives you a lot of time.
hi. big fan.
PanzerKing
Profile Joined May 2010
United States483 Posts
December 24 2010 11:10 GMT
#1923
On December 24 2010 20:06 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2010 20:04 PanzerKing wrote:
On December 24 2010 20:03 Shikyo wrote:
It always amazes me why people don't just build an engineering bay and a few turrets no matter what without proper scouting information. =/ It's like every time they hope that the opponent doesn't go DTs.


Probably a map-specific decision because of the possibility of a backdoor by gateway units.

That doesn't make sense since DTs are more common than normal on this map because of backdoor warp-in by them.


Ebay+3-4 turrets = ~500 less minerals worth of units if he decides to just knock down your backdoor and kick in your nat, which he can easily do with good FF placement. I can understand placing an Ebay for safety, but you don't need the turrets up in advance in every game, that's just overkill.
http://tkrmx.blogspot.com/
Razyel
Profile Joined May 2010
295 Posts
December 24 2010 11:10 GMT
#1924
On December 24 2010 20:08 Krallin wrote:
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On December 24 2010 20:08 Razyel wrote:
MKP tries to macro and he loses :D


He did not really because his macro sucked eh : /

I was trying to say the same thing
Tester Iron NonY WhiteRa Huk Genius
baoluvboa
Profile Joined December 2010
743 Posts
December 24 2010 11:10 GMT
#1925
On December 24 2010 20:10 wintergt wrote:
What is the rest of the terran line-up?

mvp mvp mvp mvp
nokz88
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1253 Posts
December 24 2010 11:10 GMT
#1926
lol @ the chat 4:

Choya: hey MKP, let's go Metal
everyone in the chat: yeah, choose metal MKP
Gisado: so MKP, choose a map pls


MKP: ... delta
in a state of trance
Tears.Of.The.Moon
Profile Joined September 2009
Slovenia715 Posts
December 24 2010 11:10 GMT
#1927
Looks like next map is metalopolis.
ヽ(´ー`)┌
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-24 11:11:51
December 24 2010 11:10 GMT
#1928
On December 24 2010 20:08 FataLe wrote:
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On December 24 2010 20:06 MrCon wrote:
On December 24 2010 19:51 FataLe wrote:
On December 24 2010 19:48 Black Gun wrote:
On December 24 2010 19:44 FataLe wrote:
On December 24 2010 19:42 Black Gun wrote:
seriously guys, stop calling MK cheesy. his strength is clearly his superb marine micro. why shouldnt he use this to his advantage by choosing builds that tend to make the games come down to marine vs X micro duels where he reigns supreme? he is playing to his strengths.

I'm the best in the world at cannon rushing. I play to my strength. I don't cheese.

ur cannon rushing will never get u to a gsl finals though. cheese is defined as an early game strategy that has a high chance to win u the game if not scouted, and a high chance to lose the game if it is scouted/the opponent knows its coming. well, the players know whats coming when they play against foxer, but he still manages to win with his style.

That has a lot to do with T's early game being very strong, that doesn't disregard the fact that most people consider it cheese or gimmicky at the least.

But "most people" are idiots. When, people call Foxer a cheeser, or a no skill, that shows a lot how deluded people are. They don't like the style of a player (a style that relies heavily on SKILL) they just vomit hate on him and can't be objective. And in a game like starcraft, that fact tells a lot, because it's a game where you need to be objective to be good, to see flaws in your game or others game.

Conclusion : people who delude themselves saying someone is bad just because he doesn't play the way they want are bad at/for starcraft.

That's an over generalization. Just because people consider some of FoxeR's strats as cheese does not auto mean they don't have a clue of how hard it is to micro marines.
Wait.
Really ? You mean it's easy to micro marines (and at the same time keeping minerals under 100 like foxer's allways do ?). I wonder why only foxer and MVP have mastered this, it's so easy.
You see, you delude yourself, you try to convince yourself playing like foxer is easy. You just proved my point.
RoccoZ
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark25 Posts
December 24 2010 11:11 GMT
#1929
aren't MKP and Choya friends IRL actually? thought MKP mentioned practicing with Choya.

Also Choya doing way better than Genius, good.

and awesome with the translates Nokz88, nice job, Choya's awesome thermal lance fail he hasn't forgotten xD
wintergt
Profile Joined February 2010
Belgium1335 Posts
December 24 2010 11:12 GMT
#1930
Cross positions on Metal, macro game now?
here i am
PanzerKing
Profile Joined May 2010
United States483 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-24 11:13:09
December 24 2010 11:12 GMT
#1931
On December 24 2010 20:08 Razyel wrote:
MKP tries to macro and he loses :D


His macro is superb, it's a shame that people have tagged him with an image that's completely unfounded. Watch his resources some time, in some of his 3+ base games - he has excellent macro but he realizes, unlike most people on this site, that T is weaker the longer the game goes on.
http://tkrmx.blogspot.com/
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
December 24 2010 11:12 GMT
#1932
lol they making the translator keep busy!
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Krallin
Profile Joined July 2010
France431 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-24 11:13:31
December 24 2010 11:12 GMT
#1933
On December 24 2010 20:10 Razyel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2010 20:08 Krallin wrote:
On December 24 2010 20:08 Razyel wrote:
MKP tries to macro and he loses :D


He did not really because his macro sucked eh : /

I was trying to say the same thing


Hmm, what I meant to say was that I didn't believe he lost because of his macro.
I forgot a word in my sentence though so that made it pretty unclear.

Anyways, doesn't matter much.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
December 24 2010 11:12 GMT
#1934
On December 24 2010 20:11 RoccoZ wrote:
aren't MKP and Choya friends IRL actually? thought MKP mentioned practicing with Choya.

Also Choya doing way better than Genius, good.

and awesome with the translates Nokz88, nice job, Choya's awesome thermal lance fail he hasn't forgotten xD


I know he spoke about Leenock and him being close. Don't think he mentioned Choya but could be wrong.
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4522 Posts
December 24 2010 11:13 GMT
#1935
On December 24 2010 20:10 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2010 20:08 FataLe wrote:
On December 24 2010 20:06 MrCon wrote:
On December 24 2010 19:51 FataLe wrote:
On December 24 2010 19:48 Black Gun wrote:
On December 24 2010 19:44 FataLe wrote:
On December 24 2010 19:42 Black Gun wrote:
seriously guys, stop calling MK cheesy. his strength is clearly his superb marine micro. why shouldnt he use this to his advantage by choosing builds that tend to make the games come down to marine vs X micro duels where he reigns supreme? he is playing to his strengths.

I'm the best in the world at cannon rushing. I play to my strength. I don't cheese.

ur cannon rushing will never get u to a gsl finals though. cheese is defined as an early game strategy that has a high chance to win u the game if not scouted, and a high chance to lose the game if it is scouted/the opponent knows its coming. well, the players know whats coming when they play against foxer, but he still manages to win with his style.

That has a lot to do with T's early game being very strong, that doesn't disregard the fact that most people consider it cheese or gimmicky at the least.

But "most people" are idiots. When, people call Foxer a cheeser, or a no skill, that shows a lot how deluded people are. They don't like the style of a player (a style that relies heavily on SKILL) they just vomit hate on him and can't be objective. And in a game like starcraft, that fact tells a lot, because it's a game where you need to be objective to be good, to see flaws in your game or others game.

Conclusion : people who delude themselves saying someone is bad just because he doesn't play the way they want are bad at/for starcraft.

That's an over generalization. Just because people consider some of FoxeR's strats as cheese does not auto mean they don't have a clue of how hard it is to micro marines.
Wait.
Really ? You mean it's easy to micro marines (and at the same time keeping minerals under 100 like foxer's allways do ?). I wonder why only foxer and MVP have mastered this, it's so easy.
You see, you delude yourself, you try to convince yourself playing like foxer is easy. You just proved my point.

Okay shut up. Don't sit there and tell me that rallying your 1 or 2 rax to the enemy base and constantly building SCV's is tough macro. Added that by that stage in Diamond micro and early game macro should be perfected. No I'm sorry to say MVP and MKP aren't the only ones who can keep their money below 100 or so early game.
hi. big fan.
wxwx
Profile Joined May 2010
527 Posts
December 24 2010 11:13 GMT
#1936
On December 24 2010 20:06 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2010 19:51 FataLe wrote:
On December 24 2010 19:48 Black Gun wrote:
On December 24 2010 19:44 FataLe wrote:
On December 24 2010 19:42 Black Gun wrote:
seriously guys, stop calling MK cheesy. his strength is clearly his superb marine micro. why shouldnt he use this to his advantage by choosing builds that tend to make the games come down to marine vs X micro duels where he reigns supreme? he is playing to his strengths.

I'm the best in the world at cannon rushing. I play to my strength. I don't cheese.

ur cannon rushing will never get u to a gsl finals though. cheese is defined as an early game strategy that has a high chance to win u the game if not scouted, and a high chance to lose the game if it is scouted/the opponent knows its coming. well, the players know whats coming when they play against foxer, but he still manages to win with his style.

That has a lot to do with T's early game being very strong, that doesn't disregard the fact that most people consider it cheese or gimmicky at the least.

But "most people" are idiots. When people call Foxer a cheeser, or a no skill, that shows a lot how deluded people are. They don't like the style of a player (a style that relies heavily on SKILL) they just vomit hate on him and can't be objective. And in a game like starcraft, that fact tells a lot, because it's a game where you need to be objective to be good, to see flaws in your game or others game.

Conclusion : people who delude themselves saying someone is bad just because he doesn't play the way they want are bad at/for starcraft.


You're saying people who call others bad makes them bad? Then you call them bad yourself? You're contradicting yourself there.
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4522 Posts
December 24 2010 11:14 GMT
#1937
On December 24 2010 20:12 PanzerKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2010 20:08 Razyel wrote:
MKP tries to macro and he loses :D


His macro is superb, it's a shame that people have tagged him with an image that's completely unfounded. Watch his resources some time, in some of his 3+ base games - he has excellent macro but he realizes, unlike most people on this site, that T is weaker the longer the game goes on.

That's weird because MVP seems to beg to differ.
hi. big fan.
Mainland
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada551 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-24 11:19:24
December 24 2010 11:14 GMT
#1938
I don't get why MKP has so many haters. Did people turn on him because of how he played in the GSL2 finals? I remember pretty much everyone loved him before that. He pretty much broke through the Zerg dominance after the 1.1.2 patch by showing Terrans how to fight banelings effectively, and he solved the hatch-first build with the 2-rack rush.
nokz88
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1253 Posts
December 24 2010 11:14 GMT
#1939
lol @ chat 5:

Choya: Whooha! cross positions
MKP: o.O (MKP hadn't scouted yet)
Choya: cannot lose now
Choya: get ready MVP
in a state of trance
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
December 24 2010 11:15 GMT
#1940
On December 24 2010 20:12 PanzerKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2010 20:08 Razyel wrote:
MKP tries to macro and he loses :D


His macro is superb, it's a shame that people have tagged him with an image that's completely unfounded. Watch his resources some time, in some of his 3+ base games - he has excellent macro but he realizes, unlike most people on this site, that T is weaker the longer the game goes on.


Exactly! People just remember a few games vs NesTea where he throws in SCVs with marines for the all-in, completely disregarding his other games. Especially in GSL 3 he never did that and said he wouldn`t. His macro is awesome. People need to actually watch his games. It is like labeling fruitdealer a cheeser cuz he does it from time to time.
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