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On December 24 2010 20:13 wxwx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2010 20:06 MrCon wrote:On December 24 2010 19:51 FataLe wrote:On December 24 2010 19:48 Black Gun wrote:On December 24 2010 19:44 FataLe wrote:On December 24 2010 19:42 Black Gun wrote:
seriously guys, stop calling MK cheesy. his strength is clearly his superb marine micro. why shouldnt he use this to his advantage by choosing builds that tend to make the games come down to marine vs X micro duels where he reigns supreme? he is playing to his strengths. I'm the best in the world at cannon rushing. I play to my strength. I don't cheese. ur cannon rushing will never get u to a gsl finals though. cheese is defined as an early game strategy that has a high chance to win u the game if not scouted, and a high chance to lose the game if it is scouted/the opponent knows its coming. well, the players know whats coming when they play against foxer, but he still manages to win with his style. That has a lot to do with T's early game being very strong, that doesn't disregard the fact that most people consider it cheese or gimmicky at the least. But "most people" are idiots. When people call Foxer a cheeser, or a no skill, that shows a lot how deluded people are. They don't like the style of a player (a style that relies heavily on SKILL) they just vomit hate on him and can't be objective. And in a game like starcraft, that fact tells a lot, because it's a game where you need to be objective to be good, to see flaws in your game or others game. Conclusion : people who delude themselves saying someone is bad just because he doesn't play the way they want are bad at/for starcraft. You're saying people who call others bad makes them bad? Then you call them bad yourself? You're contradicting yourself there.
Not exactly. I say that people who call other people bad when they are actualy good but doesn't play the way they want (mAcRoGamElol) are bad, because they have a mindset that prevent them to improve at the game. It's exactly like poker.
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On December 24 2010 20:14 FataLe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2010 20:12 PanzerKing wrote:On December 24 2010 20:08 Razyel wrote:
MKP tries to macro and he loses :D His macro is superb, it's a shame that people have tagged him with an image that's completely unfounded. Watch his resources some time, in some of his 3+ base games - he has excellent macro but he realizes, unlike most people on this site, that T is weaker the longer the game goes on. That's weird because MVP seems to beg to differ.
How so? Because he does midgame marine/tank/medivac timing pushes after a quick expansion? If you take risks early on, you'll obviously be in a strong position midgame, and if you do serious damage in the midgame, you're obviously going to be in a good position lategame. That's not race-specific at all.
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On December 24 2010 20:14 Mainland wrote:
I don't get why MKP has so many haters. Did people turn on him because of how he played in the GSL2 finals? I remember pretty much everyone loved him before that.
His play became too stagnant. It either revolved around a rush or a FE. Though surprisingly he did do Tank play vs Choya, though unsurprisingly it was on Steppes. Tank haven ftl.
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On December 24 2010 20:14 FataLe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2010 20:12 PanzerKing wrote:On December 24 2010 20:08 Razyel wrote:
MKP tries to macro and he loses :D His macro is superb, it's a shame that people have tagged him with an image that's completely unfounded. Watch his resources some time, in some of his 3+ base games - he has excellent macro but he realizes, unlike most people on this site, that T is weaker the longer the game goes on. That's weird because MVP seems to beg to differ.
Not like MVP went for supermacro games against the Z lineup two days ago.
At some point you can't expect a player not to use his race's strengths, MKP knows T is strong early game.
I mean, he's supposed to be a professionnal, he's supposed to do what it takes to win games.
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On December 24 2010 20:14 Mainland wrote:
I don't get why MKP has so many haters. Did people turn on him because of how he played in the GSL2 finals? I remember pretty much everyone loved him before that.
He was cool when he pioneered marines with epic micro being able to beat everything.
By now he should have been worked out and been forced to change to something new, but no, he just keeps making marines.
This is why im not a fan at least.
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6 warpgates ftw 
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Good forcefields and Choya crushes MKP's early pressure
counter attack inc off 2base 6gate, but MKP holds it off
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Foxer does not betray his cheesy nature. FFS, win this Choya
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On December 24 2010 20:16 PanzerKing wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2010 20:14 FataLe wrote:On December 24 2010 20:12 PanzerKing wrote:On December 24 2010 20:08 Razyel wrote:
MKP tries to macro and he loses :D His macro is superb, it's a shame that people have tagged him with an image that's completely unfounded. Watch his resources some time, in some of his 3+ base games - he has excellent macro but he realizes, unlike most people on this site, that T is weaker the longer the game goes on. That's weird because MVP seems to beg to differ. How so? Because he does midgame marine/tank/medivac timing pushes after a quick expansion? If you take risks early on, you'll obviously be in a strong position midgame, and if you do serious damage in the midgame, you're obviously going to be in a good position lategame. That's not race-specific at all.
Vs Protoss he's always in a position to take his third (not really over getting barracks and things so it doesn't look like a massive mid-game push) so I'm guessing he is playing for the lategame.
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On December 24 2010 20:12 PanzerKing wrote:His macro is superb, it's a shame that people have tagged him with an image that's completely unfounded. Watch his resources some time, in some of his 3+ base games - he has excellent macro but he realizes, unlike most people on this site, that T is weaker the longer the game goes on.
MKP has 3+ base games ? WOW can i get a link to those games cause i'm sure they're pretty rare.
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On December 24 2010 20:17 Blaec wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2010 20:14 Mainland wrote:
I don't get why MKP has so many haters. Did people turn on him because of how he played in the GSL2 finals? I remember pretty much everyone loved him before that. He was cool when he pioneered marines with epic micro being able to beat everything. By now he should have been worked out and been forced to change to something new, but no, he just keeps making marines. This is why im not a fan at least.
Against P he doesn't make only marines, he plays standard.
Against Z he makes mostly marines, as every freaking terran player who wants to win.
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DT play again from Choya ^^
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I liked Foxer a lot, but he is making it frustrating to watch now, because it's the same crap every game.
It's a shame Choya didn't finish him off right there. Don't want to watch any more Foxer for a while.
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On December 24 2010 20:16 FataLe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2010 20:14 Mainland wrote:
I don't get why MKP has so many haters. Did people turn on him because of how he played in the GSL2 finals? I remember pretty much everyone loved him before that. His play became too stagnant. It either revolved around a rush or a FE. Though surprisingly he did do Tank play vs Choya, though unsurprisingly it was on Steppes. Tank haven ftl.
Wow, a rush or a fast expand, so stagnant :D He plays like 100% of other players you means ?
What do you want him to do, double fast expand ? Seriously, reread your posts.
And I need explanations on "MVP begs to differ", because MVP and Foxer both have the exact same style...
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On December 24 2010 20:10 wintergt wrote:
What is the rest of the terran line-up?
IntoTheRainbow, Rain, Mvp, Cliddddeeeeeeee
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Seems like it's MarauderKingPrime playing today.
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On December 24 2010 20:20 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2010 20:16 FataLe wrote:On December 24 2010 20:14 Mainland wrote:
I don't get why MKP has so many haters. Did people turn on him because of how he played in the GSL2 finals? I remember pretty much everyone loved him before that. His play became too stagnant. It either revolved around a rush or a FE. Though surprisingly he did do Tank play vs Choya, though unsurprisingly it was on Steppes. Tank haven ftl. Wow, a rush or a fast expand, so stagnant :D He plays like 100% of other players you means ? What do you want him to do, double fast expand ? Seriously, reread your posts. And I need explanations on "MVP begs to differ", because MVP and Foxer both have the exact same style...
Haha I should've made my self more clear. His play has become so stale that people feel he's being figured out. MVP tends to favor a more FE approach vs Toss then heavy pressure.
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Just curious to know whether MKP going for the gold with his main CC was something he planned early on
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Just tuned back in, game 3 looks like a pretty interesting match
Meanwhile, in other news + Show Spoiler +HOLY FUCK HOGILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
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choya on 3 bases, 4th going up... no shying away from macro games, nice
MKP on 3, no backing down
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EPT
