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razamanaz
Profile Joined August 2010
271 Posts
December 24 2010 11:03 GMT
#1901
On December 24 2010 20:03 nokz88 wrote:
lol @ the chat again:

Choya: See that Genius?
MKP: T.T


LOL , thats for translating
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4556 Posts
December 24 2010 11:04 GMT
#1902
On December 24 2010 20:00 nokz88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2010 19:57 FataLe wrote:
On December 24 2010 19:53 nokz88 wrote:
People need to realize that this is not some BitByBitPrime, this is freakin MarineKing, AKA Foxer, the pioneer of the marine heavy style. Among all the marine heavy builds out there, some extremely cheesy and others less so, his stands out as the most solid and prone to lead to macro games.

People need to show some respect.

You talk about showing respect when you pretty much insulted a Korean pro whilst idolizing another.


Not everybody deserves respect dude. Some do, others don't. The important thing is knowing who belongs in the first group.

Wow. You have a sad attitude toward things. I don't think either player deserves to be put lower than the other in terms of respect. They both cheese but I still respect them both.
hi. big fan.
PanzerKing
Profile Joined May 2010
United States483 Posts
December 24 2010 11:04 GMT
#1903
On December 24 2010 20:03 Shikyo wrote:
It always amazes me why people don't just build an engineering bay and a few turrets no matter what without proper scouting information. =/ It's like every time they hope that the opponent doesn't go DTs.


Probably a map-specific decision because of the possibility of a backdoor by gateway units.
http://tkrmx.blogspot.com/
wristuzi
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1168 Posts
December 24 2010 11:06 GMT
#1904
That was pretty sick.
MarineKingPrime ¯\_(シ)_/¯ // Naniwa ¯\_(シ)_/¯ // Morrow
nokz88
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1253 Posts
December 24 2010 11:06 GMT
#1905
lol @ the chat 3:

Choya: Charge!
Choya: oops, wait, I don't have the thermal lance

(for those who doesn't get the reference, watch his GSL3 series against Jinro)
in a state of trance
odaxium
Profile Joined October 2010
United States356 Posts
December 24 2010 11:06 GMT
#1906
MK always seems to forget about those back rocks and scout better there
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4556 Posts
December 24 2010 11:06 GMT
#1907
Haha, Choya is talking to himself AND MKP AND Genius. Dat APM.
hi. big fan.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 24 2010 11:06 GMT
#1908
On December 24 2010 20:04 PanzerKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2010 20:03 Shikyo wrote:
It always amazes me why people don't just build an engineering bay and a few turrets no matter what without proper scouting information. =/ It's like every time they hope that the opponent doesn't go DTs.


Probably a map-specific decision because of the possibility of a backdoor by gateway units.

That doesn't make sense since DTs are more common than normal on this map because of backdoor warp-in by them.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
razamanaz
Profile Joined August 2010
271 Posts
December 24 2010 11:06 GMT
#1909
On December 24 2010 20:06 nokz88 wrote:
lol @ the chat 3:

Choya: Charge!
Choya: oops, wait, I don't have the thermal lance

(for those who doesn't get the reference, watch his GSL3 series against Jinro)



:D thanks again . keep it up , man !
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-24 11:07:47
December 24 2010 11:06 GMT
#1910
whoop, nice game Choya =)

Liked the early defence at his back rocks while countering with the DT's, the timing of MK's push worked out rather nicely for him.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-24 11:07:56
December 24 2010 11:06 GMT
#1911
On December 24 2010 19:51 FataLe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2010 19:48 Black Gun wrote:
On December 24 2010 19:44 FataLe wrote:
On December 24 2010 19:42 Black Gun wrote:
seriously guys, stop calling MK cheesy. his strength is clearly his superb marine micro. why shouldnt he use this to his advantage by choosing builds that tend to make the games come down to marine vs X micro duels where he reigns supreme? he is playing to his strengths.

I'm the best in the world at cannon rushing. I play to my strength. I don't cheese.

ur cannon rushing will never get u to a gsl finals though. cheese is defined as an early game strategy that has a high chance to win u the game if not scouted, and a high chance to lose the game if it is scouted/the opponent knows its coming. well, the players know whats coming when they play against foxer, but he still manages to win with his style.

That has a lot to do with T's early game being very strong, that doesn't disregard the fact that most people consider it cheese or gimmicky at the least.

But "most people" are idiots. When people call Foxer a cheeser, or a no skill, that shows a lot how deluded people are. They don't like the style of a player (a style that relies heavily on SKILL) they just vomit hate on him and can't be objective. And in a game like starcraft, that fact tells a lot, because it's a game where you need to be objective to be good, to see flaws in your game or others game.

Conclusion : people who delude themselves saying someone is bad just because he doesn't play the way they want are bad at/for starcraft.
Xxavi
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1248 Posts
December 24 2010 11:07 GMT
#1912
Choya surprised me. He did well there with DTs.

MarineKingPrime has to cheese every game though. I don't remember his macro games.
Krallin
Profile Joined July 2010
France431 Posts
December 24 2010 11:07 GMT
#1913
On December 24 2010 20:06 razamanaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2010 20:06 nokz88 wrote:
lol @ the chat 3:

Choya: Charge!
Choya: oops, wait, I don't have the thermal lance

(for those who doesn't get the reference, watch his GSL3 series against Jinro)



:D thanks again . keep it up , man !


Hahaha : p
He's funny : D
.kv
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2332 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-24 11:09:48
December 24 2010 11:07 GMT
#1914
Results:
+ Show Spoiler +

MarineKingPrime.WE < 2-1 > NEXGenius

  1. MarineKingPrime.WE < Xel' Naga Caverns > NEXGenius
    + Show Spoiler +
    Amazing hold off by NEXGenius against a quick 2 Rax push by MarineKingPrime.WE. Amazing composure and counter attack paved the way for NEXGenius

  2. MarineKingPrime.WE < Lost Temple > NEXGenius
    + Show Spoiler +
    Spawn cross positions. NEXGenius goes Void Rays against MarineKingPrime.WE which doesn't pay off well for NEXGenius as MKP steam rolls through NEXGenius' ground army.

  3. MarineKingPrime.WE < Scrap Station > NEXGenius
    + Show Spoiler +
    NEXGenius went for a proxy 2 gate push near MKP but MKP defends it very well and kills the powered pylon before Stalkers came out and eased his way to victory against NEXGenius


MarineKingPrime.WE < 1-1 > choyafOu

  1. MarineKingPrime.WE < Steppes of War > choyafOu
    + Show Spoiler +
    Very solid build by MKP as he goes for a slow containment with tanks and marines whereas choya goes for blink stalkers. Unfortunately choya could not do anything once marines got up the ramp and the tanks were siege below

  2. MarineKingPrime.WE < Jungle Basin > choyafOu
    + Show Spoiler +
    DT rush was a success as choya killed some SCVs and marines/marauders at the same time gain enough time to begin his robo tech and his third expo. choya wins this map very convincingly


Shit I'm falling asleep lmao...
odaxium
Profile Joined October 2010
United States356 Posts
December 24 2010 11:07 GMT
#1915
at least they seem to be having a decent time
Qweasdzxc
Profile Joined July 2010
215 Posts
December 24 2010 11:08 GMT
#1916
On December 24 2010 20:07 odaxium wrote:
at least they seem to be having a decent time


there's nothing on the line here so might as well have fun with it
Razyel
Profile Joined May 2010
295 Posts
December 24 2010 11:08 GMT
#1917
MKP tries to macro and he loses :D
Tester Iron NonY WhiteRa Huk Genius
Krallin
Profile Joined July 2010
France431 Posts
December 24 2010 11:08 GMT
#1918
On December 24 2010 20:08 Razyel wrote:
MKP tries to macro and he loses :D


He did not really because his macro sucked eh : /
Or maybe we didn't watch the same game
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4556 Posts
December 24 2010 11:08 GMT
#1919
On December 24 2010 20:06 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2010 19:51 FataLe wrote:
On December 24 2010 19:48 Black Gun wrote:
On December 24 2010 19:44 FataLe wrote:
On December 24 2010 19:42 Black Gun wrote:
seriously guys, stop calling MK cheesy. his strength is clearly his superb marine micro. why shouldnt he use this to his advantage by choosing builds that tend to make the games come down to marine vs X micro duels where he reigns supreme? he is playing to his strengths.

I'm the best in the world at cannon rushing. I play to my strength. I don't cheese.

ur cannon rushing will never get u to a gsl finals though. cheese is defined as an early game strategy that has a high chance to win u the game if not scouted, and a high chance to lose the game if it is scouted/the opponent knows its coming. well, the players know whats coming when they play against foxer, but he still manages to win with his style.

That has a lot to do with T's early game being very strong, that doesn't disregard the fact that most people consider it cheese or gimmicky at the least.

But "most people" are idiots. When, people call Foxer a cheeser, or a no skill, that shows a lot how deluded people are. They don't like the style of a player (a style that relies heavily on SKILL) they just vomit hate on him and can't be objective. And in a game like starcraft, that fact tells a lot, because it's a game where you need to be objective to be good, to see flaws in your game or others game.

Conclusion : people who delude themselves saying someone is bad just because he doesn't play the way they want are bad at/for starcraft.

That's an over generalization. Just because people consider some of FoxeR's strats as cheese does not auto mean they don't have a clue of how hard it is to micro marines.
Wait.
hi. big fan.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
December 24 2010 11:09 GMT
#1920
Nice game by Choya anyway
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