you gotta be kidding me. it was the close positions that allowed those marauders to quickly reach the nat and snipe the banes. it was because of the close positions that allowed that timing attack to be so powerful. it was because of those close positions that did not give idra enough time to react to the push. it was because of the close positions that MVP could put so much early pressure on idra.

it was the close positions.

I just said it's not JUST the close positions. I didnt say it wasn't ..... Seriously it was mainly the close positions and also the position of the banelings or if they were hatched earlier the game couldve been different... MVP mightve pulled back.. etc.

HwangjaeTerran

Finland5967 Posts

December 01 2010 11:56 GMT

#2985

On December 01 2010 20:55 SC2Phoenix wrote:

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So to be at a level higher than people at the GSL you go 2 rax and upgrade marines and attack move in close spots?

Please, comments like this T.T

You should know better.

ktp

United States797 Posts

December 01 2010 11:56 GMT

#2986

You know whats a good timing for an attack when you spawn close position as Terran in TVZ?

ANYTIME

Irave

United States9965 Posts

December 01 2010 11:56 GMT

#2987

Poor Idra, but now onto another Protoss getting into the Ro16! Choya Fighting!

Shikyo

Finland33997 Posts

December 01 2010 11:56 GMT

#2988

On December 01 2010 20:53 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:

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Yeah and the problem is that he played somewhat perfect until then. Got his Hatch and a Spine.

What to do when you're still at a fucking huge disadvantage economy and army-wise?
I mean I have no idea what he could've done better. Maybe losing 1-2 Drones less at those early Marine pushes?
Maybe, but that's peanuts.

14hatch doesn't work, the current IN is overpool, and it's totally safe vs that with better econ than 14hatch.

z00t

Australia976 Posts

December 01 2010 11:56 GMT

#2989

Gogo Choya! Rep the Protoss!

smileyyy

Germany1816 Posts

December 01 2010 11:56 GMT

#2990

On December 01 2010 20:53 Anduril wrote:
What is exactly do the zergs consider their favorite map to be? Idra got metalopolis just like he was expecting. Sure it was bad luck on the spawns, but what do you want zerg favored maps throughout the tourneys.

Right now Zerg favored in Sc2 means basically only 1 thing long rush distance.
You spawn and you dont have to think omg omg omg He can kill my nat in 3secs when he moves out. Thats why Shakuras is not a bad map for Zerg.

dtz

5834 Posts

December 01 2010 11:56 GMT

#2991

well idra had good map for game 1 and he was in very decent position as well but got outplayed/taken aback by phenomenal positioning + tanks.

i think thats where he lost it. i thought he had the blistering sands game :S

5unrise

New Zealand646 Posts

December 01 2010 11:56 GMT

#2992

I'm going have to say quite bluntly that it's not fair for zergs to have to play on positions like that. I'm not saying that Immvp is not good enough to defeat Idra or only won because of the map imbalance, but that it is not giving the zerg player a fair chance. This is something so obviously remediable, and in my opinion, bringing out new maps to balance this game (with longer rush distances, better natural chokes, etc) is so simple to do and would not trigger negative reactions from players (as opposed to a nerf/ buff, that sort of thing).

ShyRamen

United States322 Posts

December 01 2010 11:56 GMT

#2993

blizzard really needs to learn how make maps

TributeBoxer

United States163 Posts

December 01 2010 11:56 GMT

#2994

amazing games played by Idra. MVP did nothing special, but cheese with some luck.

Milvus

Switzerland400 Posts

December 01 2010 11:56 GMT

#2995

Next up: A Protos player!

The KY

United Kingdom6252 Posts

December 01 2010 11:56 GMT

#2996

On December 01 2010 20:55 Mr_Kzimir wrote:
I want a protoss victor for this gsl :/

...good luck, then. ;o

nayumi

Australia6499 Posts

December 01 2010 11:56 GMT

#2997

On December 01 2010 20:52 odaxium wrote:
if idra had done the same build that he did on steppes of war he might have been able to take it

what? didn't he do the exact same thing? defended with drones, got his spine crawler up? the only difference was that mvp didn't choose to go the retarded blue hellion path but instead went for a perfect M&M timing attack.

Idra wasn't expecting that especially after he had fenced off mvp's initial rush. He thought mvp would have expanded and macro up.

Idra didn't play badly. He did what most zergs would have done, mvp just made brilliant decision.

Metalwing

Turkey1038 Posts

December 01 2010 11:56 GMT

#2998

On December 01 2010 20:52 Boneyard.au wrote:

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Because MVP is a sub-1k Diamond player amirite? Get over it, both of them played well, Idra decided to drone up instead of make extra units for defence/harassment and payed for it, what did you want MVP to do? Sit there and let him macro? ofcourse not!

There is such a thing in this game: If zerg goes eco, he pays for it. If terran decides to go 2rax and fail, he can say "fuck it, nvm, I'll just expo and attack after getting zibillion bio units, stim and combat shield".

So, there is no such thing that can punish Terrans for going all-inish builds, but there are 30 different ways to punish a Zerg for going eco heavy. Or there is no such thing in Zerg arsenal that can punish Terran if he goes 1 Rax FE, especially in certain maps.