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Shakes
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia557 Posts
November 29 2010 12:19 GMT
#2421
If Ret was Korean and TheBest was white everyone would be talking about how brilliantly TheBest played. Nothing but sour grapes from the people who are calling TheBest bad.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
November 29 2010 12:19 GMT
#2422
LOL this question. It's the build Morrow used vs Idra without the SCVs
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-29 12:19:58
November 29 2010 12:19 GMT
#2423
On November 29 2010 21:17 Talin wrote:
Yeah... it's pretty much the best maps fo' u. =/

Nice1 :D

That was so close. I hoped so much for a round of mutalisk to come and clean up everything, damn.
Yernbek
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia32 Posts
November 29 2010 12:19 GMT
#2424
stop crying about the map, it had nothing to do with the outcome, ret got outplayed fanboys
Corrupted
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1255 Posts
November 29 2010 12:19 GMT
#2425
On November 29 2010 21:17 KonohaFlash wrote:
There was no all-in don't know what some people on this board are complaining about. The only problem was the maps. Ridiculous how only 1 map was good for zerg while the rest were unbelivably horrid.


The only reason that map is considered good for zerg is because it is balanced. Unfortunately that is very rare in the map pool...so zerg is getting absolutely screwed by this non-veto garbage. For the record, zerg is my least favorite race.
"MarineKing rolling double sevens there" -Artosis
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
November 29 2010 12:19 GMT
#2426
it sucks that Ret lost but people need to calm the fk down

thebest acutally had some nice timing and micro in that last game
Tears.Of.The.Moon
Profile Joined September 2009
Slovenia715 Posts
November 29 2010 12:19 GMT
#2427
Looks like Best completely outplayed Ret , he was much bether than the 2 previous terans and he had some great strategies.
ヽ(´ー`)┌
AmaZing
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Nepal299 Posts
November 29 2010 12:19 GMT
#2428
wow i havent been this angry and sad about starcraft ever...
Ret still fighting!
ಠ_ಠ
Olmer
Profile Joined March 2006
Poland320 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-29 12:20:54
November 29 2010 12:19 GMT
#2429
It's funny how both Idra and Ret tend to overdrone, and when someone exploits it, he gets flamed. What about actually being careful when your opponent one-bases?
Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
November 29 2010 12:19 GMT
#2430
why no more than 2 spine crawlers ret?
Sideburn
Profile Joined August 2010
United States442 Posts
November 29 2010 12:20 GMT
#2431
On November 29 2010 21:18 .Aar wrote:
There was no cheese this game.


No, any play that beats a zerg is cheese. Standard play is play that loses to zerg. Please, this should be obvious.
blizzind
Profile Joined February 2010
United States642 Posts
November 29 2010 12:20 GMT
#2432
jinro and idra are our only hopes now. if they don't get through to the ro16 then i'm not watching anymore.
tg4u
Profile Joined January 2007
Bulgaria125 Posts
November 29 2010 12:20 GMT
#2433
Just #@%$ the map pool !! Its just not fare!
Nuri
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand280 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-29 12:20:34
November 29 2010 12:20 GMT
#2434
To be honest think about it. Those vikings fucking hurt ret so much. 1 viking getting 5 ovies=500 minerals. Then when the fight was going on he got even more ovies=lost resources he could of used in his army.
The biggest risk in life is not taking any risks at all
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
November 29 2010 12:20 GMT
#2435
On November 29 2010 21:19 .kv wrote:
I don't get how some of yall say TheBestfOu is amazing...he's sooo overrated, anyone that plays Terran in the diamond league WITH those maps would've won 2-1 and would've won the exact maps this fool won on


I understand that people on TL are biased for Ret but this is getting ridiculous.
Tjuhl
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany17 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-29 12:40:25
November 29 2010 12:20 GMT
#2436
LiquidRet looses because of the (Terran-favoring) 2nd and 3rd maps Steppes of War and Jungle Basin of which he had no means whatsoever to vote down. Now that's a bummer...

To clarify: TheBestfOu definitely played well, but so did LiquidRet. Ret also didn't really overdrone, the maps per se greatly deny to Zerg what Zerg needs to NOT overdrone: time to react to the enemy's play. For Steppes of War, the base-to-base run distance is very short, the spots where one as Zerg can scout the enemy very limited (e.g. right behind the brush distance when Terran has no flyers, overlord at the destructible rocks).

LiquidRet could of course have played a little bit more carefully, building more units, but then TheBestfOu could just have delayed his timing push a little bit and force LiquidRet to basically "waste" his larvae by not using them, gaining an economic advantage.

This similarly applies to Jungle Basin where there are very few locations Zerg can obtain enemy intel plus the few locations (e.g. at the natural, left to the main base) are not all-too relevant for the core army movement. LiquidRet's intel was basically limited to the entrance to his main base throughout the game, rendering him almost impossible to properly using his larvae, i.e. properly decide between drones and units.

LiquidRet could and probably should have fought for more map control but had pretty much no means whatsoever to do that after TheBestfOu's initial pushes on the maps, constricting LiquidRet to his main base. And THIS is the main issue for the two maps Steppes of War and Jungle Basin: once restricted, Zerg has very few means to regain map control in an economically cost-efficient fashion in early to early mid game. For Jungle Basin, the destructible rocks at the back of the natural take quite long to tear down and the run distance from the rocks to the main entrance, allowing for surrounds / flanking, is too long. This similarly applies to Steppes of War.

Hm... This makes me thinking: are Nydus Worms and/or Burrow underused on those maps, which allow for according favorable positioning?
Trying to be a good Overmind.
Carthac
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States393 Posts
November 29 2010 12:20 GMT
#2437
That smirk on TheBest's face the whole time made me wanted to punch my screen...

DoXa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Switzerland1448 Posts
November 29 2010 12:20 GMT
#2438
0/3 liquibet, this is going to be 0/4 for sure. fml, what a bad day.

i hope gomtv is going to reconsider giving the players a veto for the maps. because this system is crap, like the maps that blizzard made. i hope gomTV invites professional korean mapmakers for the GSL 2011, this was mentioned in SotG and this has to be done.
pyro19
Profile Joined August 2010
6575 Posts
November 29 2010 12:20 GMT
#2439
People are Really Forgetting the Viking.
It must have sniped like 4-5 overlords.The Viking won the game for me plus the sweet micro with the MMM.
Thy Shall Die Alone...or emm..something like that.
Cite
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia251 Posts
November 29 2010 12:20 GMT
#2440
2nd mighta been map, third was just him cracking under pressure
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