EPTI'm really feeling bad for Tester though, that guy really deserves to be in GSL.
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
I'm really feeling bad for Tester though, that guy really deserves to be in GSL. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
I think the mentality that koreans are gods and korean tourneys are the ultimate competition needs to be dropped- by both foreigners and koreans alike. I think on the example of tester we very well see that he can't afford to not play on the international scene. In the very least Koreans need to attend the lans- MLG, Dreamhack. Because betting all your progamer ambitions on essentially getting into a ro64 of a once a month tourney is simply silly. It is way too much of a gamble to take with your career. | ||
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EG.lectR
United States617 Posts
On November 16 2010 19:04 Couvre wrote: So I go to the EG website and I notice that they don't include any clan tags when they mention names (IE: sir scoots' uploaded replays of incontrol vs nony and socke). Parity? The problem with that comparison is that EG's website isn't geared to be a community website with general game-specific news. TL is in a position now that their site is not just a team website, but a hub for StarCraft II and the competitors from an assortment of teams. Your comparison isn't applicable. Good day sir. | ||
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Loophole
United States867 Posts
On November 17 2010 04:20 Sfydjklm wrote: i really feel bad for you protossies i know hot it feels to not have anyone represent. Feels like you cant win either. But i also think people put too much emphasis on GSL. I think the fact that every single foreigner with a recognizable name came extremely close to qualifying-and per capita wise doing much better then even previous gsl qualifiers- is a pretty decent proof that jinro is in fact right when he said that koreans arent better there are simply more people who are better. I think the mentality that koreans are gods and korean tourneys are the ultimate competition needs to be dropped- by both foreigners and koreans alike. I think on the example of tester we very well see that he can't afford to not play on the international scene. In the very least Koreans need to attend the lans- MLG, Dreamhack. Because betting all your progamer ambitions on essentially getting into a ro64 of a once a month tourney is simply silly. It is way too much of a gamble to take with your career. Lot of truth in there. I think the prize money is high enough for GSL to make it worth only playing though. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On November 17 2010 04:20 Sfydjklm wrote: i really feel bad for you protossies i know hot it feels to not have anyone represent. Feels like you cant win either. But i also think people put too much emphasis on GSL. I think the fact that every single foreigner with a recognizable name came extremely close to qualifying-and per capita wise doing much better then even previous gsl qualifiers- is a pretty decent proof that jinro is in fact right when he said that koreans arent better there are simply more people who are better. I think the mentality that koreans are gods and korean tourneys are the ultimate competition needs to be dropped- by both foreigners and koreans alike. I think on the example of tester we very well see that he can't afford to not play on the international scene. In the very least Koreans need to attend the lans- MLG, Dreamhack. Because betting all your progamer ambitions on essentially getting into a ro64 of a once a month tourney is simply silly. It is way too much of a gamble to take with your career. What? Why would you miss a single GSL tourney to go attend a single foreign tourney with significantly less stakes? Am I missing something? | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On November 17 2010 04:29 FabledIntegral wrote: What? Why would you miss a single GSL tourney to go attend a single foreign tourney with significantly less stakes? Am I missing something? would tester miss anything if he attended last MLG? | ||
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Mano
United States192 Posts
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
Sen, Ret and IdrA are truly skilled. | ||
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DoA
Korea (South)599 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On November 17 2010 04:29 FabledIntegral wrote: What? Why would you miss a single GSL tourney to go attend a single foreign tourney with significantly less stakes? Am I missing something? It is a valid argument. MLG and IEM often happen over the span of 3 days and the competitor field is much smaller. Yet winning them gets you a lot of recognition and thus not just prize money but also sponsorship potential. There is a lot to be said to choosing the foreign tournaments over the GSL if you are not capable of winning GSL. Shoot for the stars try to achieve the highest possible means you play GSL. Realize you won't win GSL but are very good; you could make a choice to play foreign tournaments because there are more of them, the level is lower and the exposure is still good, and who doesn't like winning over getting knocked out in Ro16s. There are many factors to consider and it's not as simple as looking at the prizepool. Another factor thing to consider is that being in Korea will raise your level of play giving you more chance to win stuff in the long run, whether it's foreign or Korean. One more thing is variance. GSL you have one shot per month. No matter how good you are there is a chance you will fail at that shot. The more tournaments you play the less variance and the more security in your life. | ||
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PowerDes
United States520 Posts
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theherder2
United States538 Posts
On November 17 2010 04:39 Sfydjklm wrote: would tester miss anything if he attended last MLG? If MLG had a larger prize pool/was sponsored by blizzard/etc then korean pros might head out to MLG events instead. I think the main thing is that Blizzard is mostly sponsoring the largest global tournament, and that its held in Korea, that makes it the central hub of SC2 e-sports right now. Even international teams like EG are taking this trend, and as Incontrol said they're even looking for a house and basing their team out of South Korea soon. If you can be competetive in the Korean scene and potentially win 2k for just getting into Ro16, whereas you'd have to win out at a MLG event to just get that money. 86k >> 2k. Once you get into pro-gaming and reach the top, I think going to Korea is the right decision because at the top level, nobody takes it more seriously than Koreans. Where in the US or EU can you find houses of just pro-gamers practicing all day. That dedication is what makes them the best in the world, and if you want to be considered one of the best then foreigners have to step into this region and out compete these elite Korean gamers. | ||
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
On November 17 2010 04:20 Sfydjklm wrote: i really feel bad for you protossies i know hot it feels to not have anyone represent. Feels like you cant win either. But i also think people put too much emphasis on GSL. I think the fact that every single foreigner with a recognizable name came extremely close to qualifying-and per capita wise doing much better then even previous gsl qualifiers- is a pretty decent proof that jinro is in fact right when he said that koreans arent better there are simply more people who are good. I think the mentality that koreans are gods and korean tourneys are the ultimate competition needs to be dropped- by both foreigners and koreans alike. I think on the example of tester we very well see that he can't afford to not play on the international scene. In the very least Koreans need to attend the lans- MLG, Dreamhack. Because betting all your progamer ambitions on essentially getting into a ro64 of a once a month tourney is simply silly. It is way too much of a gamble to take with your career. The level of play at MLG is a joke compared to GSL. | ||
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Adaptation
Canada427 Posts
Get on that treadmill son! | ||
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Taelshin
Canada418 Posts
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On November 17 2010 04:58 Shiragaku wrote: Who is Aya exactly? I am assuming he has a lot of late due to the OP's 6233478347875389 rank. He knocked out HuK. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On November 17 2010 04:51 Ocedic wrote: The level of play at MLG is a joke compared to GSL. It really isn't; GSL had a LOT of really terrible games and very few macro games. While GSL is overall obviously the better tournament, the skill gap isn't nearly as big as some people like to claim. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On November 17 2010 04:47 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: It is a valid argument. MLG and IEM often happen over the span of 3 days and the competitor field is much smaller. Yet winning them gets you a lot of recognition and thus not just prize money but also sponsorship potential. There is a lot to be said to choosing the foreign tournaments over the GSL if you are not capable of winning GSL. Shoot for the stars try to achieve the highest possible means you play GSL. Realize you won't win GSL but are very good; you could make a choice to play foreign tournaments because there are more of them, the level is lower and the exposure is still good, and who doesn't like winning over getting knocked out in Ro16s. There are many factors to consider and it's not as simple as looking at the prizepool. Another factor thing to consider is that being in Korea will raise your level of play giving you more chance to win stuff in the long run, whether it's foreign or Korean. One more thing is variance. GSL you have one shot per month. No matter how good you are there is a chance you will fail at that shot. The more tournaments you play the less variance and the more security in your life. So maybe in a month where there are two major tournies in a single month, but honestly how often does that happen (fyi, I have NO idea)? And if they aren't in the same location, they're having to pay travel fares, etc. while GSL is free, no? And don't you also make money from merely getting into the Ro64 in the GSL? So at least it's some income, opposed to having to pay for flight costs to travel across the globe to compete in something where although you have a better chance, you're guaranteed nothing (also, assuming). | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On November 17 2010 04:51 Ocedic wrote: The level of play at MLG is a joke compared to GSL. not really, it might be a bit lower but saying it's a joke is way overboard | ||
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