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On December 06 2010 02:16 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2010 01:51 Sfydjklm wrote:On December 06 2010 01:41 Grend wrote:
Way to overshoot with the prize pool imo. With that much money you could get participants from all over the world, so it seems uneccessarily big for a Russia only tournament. no that's actually marketing done right. That's what happens when professionals run tournaments. There is just a difference in return for the sponsor between situations where a teenager runs a tournament and where people from advertising industry do. They know how to earn every penny from it. here's, by comparasion, the extent of marketing campaign for a random 600 euro tournament(there were 2 ran already): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=169623. To be fair that was only the post on TL... we don't know how that tourney is being advertised elsewhere, although it was really lackluster. Wouldn't they get a bigger showing though if they allowed people from all over the world, instead of just Russians? I mean its cool that they have a massive tournament, but with that much money you could have like a mini GSL for foreigners.
BeeLine is a russian-only internet company they don't benefit from an international event.
And i'm not trying to somehow belittle Cerberus Cup efforts, i'm just saying that as a community we should desire more from the sponsors and 15k is not a lot for any sport.
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On December 06 2010 02:16 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2010 01:51 Sfydjklm wrote:On December 06 2010 01:41 Grend wrote:
Way to overshoot with the prize pool imo. With that much money you could get participants from all over the world, so it seems uneccessarily big for a Russia only tournament. no that's actually marketing done right. That's what happens when professionals run tournaments. There is just a difference in return for the sponsor between situations where a teenager runs a tournament and where people from advertising industry do. They know how to earn every penny from it. here's, by comparasion, the extent of marketing campaign for a random 600 euro tournament(there were 2 ran already): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=169623. To be fair that was only the post on TL... we don't know how that tourney is being advertised elsewhere, although it was really lackluster. Wouldn't they get a bigger showing though if they allowed people from all over the world, instead of just Russians? I mean its cool that they have a massive tournament, but with that much money you could have like a mini GSL for foreigners.
But the sponsor is a Russian internet company. How do they benefit from outsiders participating? Their entire target audience is in Russia.
edit: beaten to it.
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On December 06 2010 02:29 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2010 02:16 meeple wrote:On December 06 2010 01:51 Sfydjklm wrote:On December 06 2010 01:41 Grend wrote:
Way to overshoot with the prize pool imo. With that much money you could get participants from all over the world, so it seems uneccessarily big for a Russia only tournament. no that's actually marketing done right. That's what happens when professionals run tournaments. There is just a difference in return for the sponsor between situations where a teenager runs a tournament and where people from advertising industry do. They know how to earn every penny from it. here's, by comparasion, the extent of marketing campaign for a random 600 euro tournament(there were 2 ran already): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=169623. To be fair that was only the post on TL... we don't know how that tourney is being advertised elsewhere, although it was really lackluster. Wouldn't they get a bigger showing though if they allowed people from all over the world, instead of just Russians? I mean its cool that they have a massive tournament, but with that much money you could have like a mini GSL for foreigners. BeeLine is a russian-only internet company they don't benefit from an international event. And i'm not trying to somehow belittle Cerberus Cup efforts, i'm just saying that as a community we should desire more from the sponsors and 15k is not a lot for any sport.
Ahhh alright that makes sense... I didn't know Beeline was only Russian... 15k is quite a bit for esports... we can't compare it to Football or Hockey... but this is a great start. I'm glad Russian companies are starting off the big prize pools.
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Well, the sponsors would benifit from outsiders participating in that it would create even more attention on the event within Russia, making it more of a spectacle. However, I think it's great that it's only Russians, because it motivates the good Russian players to make even more of an effort, since they will not participate just for the heck of it, but actually have a chance of winning enough money to make it worthwhile.
I feel a bit sad as I had observed the same decline in top players within the Russian community as I sad at the "end" of SC:BW. I mean, initialy, as I understand it, USA and Russia were the two big and significant non-Korean communities, but while the North Americans are playing quite a dominant role at the current, less established, stage of Starcraft 2 (where competition is still very open), Russians don't really seem to have much going for them. BratOK might eventually do reall well, but it's very up and down with him - just like you can never trust Pomi to be a top player. And there doesn't seem to be any great amount of interesting talent. It might still be on the steps, though. From the numbers, there appears to be a decent amount of Russians playing the game, actually. Just saw a game from Aristeo recently, where he beat someone (HuK? Cannot remember) - might be upcoming. Meanwhile, we know Abver was really good earlier, and his recent results definitely makes him a contender for this tournament.
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as an interesting tidbit, this idea started out as a minesweeper tournament and went through several other options before realizing that SC2 most accurately represents their target audience?
Can you imagine a 20k minesweeper tourney?
lol
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Russian Federation61 Posts
They actually even sent a text message to one of my friends about the tournament, I guess it's quite convenient to be both a mobile service provider and an internet provider at the same time. On a side note, I was really surprised they didn't include CIS countries, only letting Russians participate. It would be great to see Ukranian players like Dimaga and White-ra there, because no matter how you look at it, Brat_ok is probably going to win this in a one-sided fashion.
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United States7481 Posts
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the brackets have been made, its
BratOk vs Slivko
Pomi vs Noname
Avenger vs Abver
dSKe vs inNirvana.
The games will be streamed tommorow @noon CET @goodgame.ru but tbh don't expect to be able to watch em, i guarantee you the servers will crash even with the powers of russians all on their own
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oh man, brat_ok is about to crush
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Russian Federation899 Posts
haha looking forward to this :D hope players won't get too nervous and will show us some good games
p.s. and yeah, BratOK is not unbeatable for this period of time when no true standards are set. U may actually beat him in first ~10 mins in PvT or TvT. It'd be hueg trouble for any player in the world if he figures some solid openings though. >_<
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Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
On December 06 2010 03:30 Asjo wrote:
Well, the sponsors would benifit from outsiders participating in that it would create even more attention on the event within Russia, making it more of a spectacle. However, I think it's great that it's only Russians, because it motivates the good Russian players to make even more of an effort, since they will not participate just for the heck of it, but actually have a chance of winning enough money to make it worthwhile.
I feel a bit sad as I had observed the same decline in top players within the Russian community as I sad at the "end" of SC:BW. I mean, initialy, as I understand it, USA and Russia were the two big and significant non-Korean communities, but while the North Americans are playing quite a dominant role at the current, less established, stage of Starcraft 2 (where competition is still very open), Russians don't really seem to have much going for them. BratOK might eventually do reall well, but it's very up and down with him - just like you can never trust Pomi to be a top player. And there doesn't seem to be any great amount of interesting talent. It might still be on the steps, though. From the numbers, there appears to be a decent amount of Russians playing the game, actually. Just saw a game from Aristeo recently, where he beat someone (HuK? Cannot remember) - might be upcoming. Meanwhile, we know Abver was really good earlier, and his recent results definitely makes him a contender for this tournament.
To be honest Russian players were never that good in BW. White-Ra was probably the only consistently good player from the ex-USSR countries.
EDIT: To clarify this statement, I agree of course that Russian players were great amateurs in BW and pretty notable on the foreigner scene, but I feel like none of them were really at the level to challenge even top amateur Koreans, as players like Ret, Nony (Courage) and Idra, WhiteRa (ESWC) have done.
BratOK's playstyle in SC2 is very weird. Sometimes he pulls unbelievable comebacks with great multitasking, and sometimes he loses games due to silly scouting or control mistakes. It's a huge shame though that he hasn't yet been able to participate in any large international tournaments because of stupid visa problems.
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Beeline also is one of many mobile service in Vietnam and they run crazy promotion over here too.
I think this is the first tourney they sponsor/run so they may want to make it small and see how it goes.
If this turns out to be a success, I have great faith that they will make an international tourney.
Its always nice to see a major company take part in e-sport.
Can't think of anyone else beside Brak_ok that will be able to take this. He'd better watch out for cheese since everybody wants to snipe him:D
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sigh another random retard poking fun @nerds
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To be honest Russian players were never that good in BW. White-Ra was probably the only consistently good player from the ex-USSR countries.
Are you serious, did you ever watch BW WCG? or Clan Wars on WGTOUR? or any ladder really lol...
To List..
Asmodey
Androide
Ex
Advokate
MaMoN
NotforU
Escape
Casper
Pomi
Russia had plenty of great BW players. Adovokate and Androide specifically taking out koreans on multiple occasions.
Sorry, but saying Russians were never that good in BW is ridiculous..
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Is there gonna be an english stream aswell?
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On December 12 2010 20:33 ScrubS wrote:
Is there gonna be an english stream aswell?
nope
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dimaga and strelok isn't that good either...
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Avenger is sick good. I hope he becomes even better and gets onto Rox KIS
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Beeline is all over the developing world. They cell cheap phone cards and run internet cafe-type things. However, it is fair to say that the only place where sc2 AND their consumer base intersect is in Russia.
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EPT
