EPTOn November 01 2010 22:34 AyJay wrote:
Sorry missed
who won? Genius or ITR?
Sorry missed
who won? Genius or ITR?
ITR 3-1 RAPE
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zerious
Canada3803 Posts
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UnholyRai
720 Posts
On November 01 2010 22:34 AyJay wrote: Sorry missed who won? Genius or ITR? + Show Spoiler + ITR | ||
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FLuE
United States1012 Posts
I wish we could quit using the GSL to try to make points about race balance base on either - A : The number of a certain race at any point during the tournament B : The way a certain player just won a game/series 10 minutes earlier. There are so many other factors that go on that using the above to prove a point is absurd. If Nex had scouted properly that last game and had tower control he would have seen the terran army coming to his 3rd and actually stopped it easy(no medivacs even) and then it is a different game. He probably takes a 4th at that point and who knows where the game goes from there. He lost the game before that on a Thor rush, which worked perfect. When I watch these games, I try to pinpoint the moment where one side wins it or the other side loses it. And most of the times when watching the games it isn't like "Oh wow he just abused that unit/imbalance and won." Usually there is a clear moment, where one person makes a mistake or else they could have won the game. To point to game imbalances during these super high level skilled games just discredits the efforts these players put in. Most of the games come down to just a split moment or decision where the game could go either way, and if the game was severely out of whack it wouldn't be small split second decisions making the difference for either side. Obviously the game still needs tweaks, but I don't think there are situations where one race can't win against another and that is pretty good considering how old the game is. | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
On November 01 2010 22:28 Tx-MisfiT wrote: 4 seconds for storm to do it's full damage yes, but the spell itself also causes the opponent to micro out of it while your units are in turn beating their units up. And against EMP you don't even have that option. Not to mention Storm's first tick of damage takes 0.5seconds. But the level of strength is quite different, Storm requires to you go down tech tree and end up spending anywhere from 800/900 (min/gas) to 1100/122 resources, you can't sneak a templar into your army like you can a ghost. If Nex had scouted properly that last game and had tower control he would have seen the terran army coming to his 3rd and actually stopped it easy(no medivacs even) and then it is a different game. He probably takes a 4th at that point and who knows where the game goes from there He did have tower control. They took out the probe that was controlling the tower, Genius then chose the best position to try defend both places, but he could never tell where marauders would attack and getting caught out of position would ruin him | ||
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On November 01 2010 22:22 zemiron wrote: Or I have a different opinion than everyone else. I didn't come to Starcraft 2 from Brood War, so Boxer and Nada don't mean much to me. I prefer mixed matchups instead of mirror matchups regardless of who is playing. And please don't flame me because I'm a "noob" fan or whatever. You're not excited about Starcraft. | ||
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wxwx
527 Posts
Protoss and terran have similar econ power, so during major confrontations, better unit cost-efficiency wins. MM >>>> gateway units. Protoss has no way around this, since there's no good way to harass terran econ. | ||
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zemiron
United States481 Posts
On November 01 2010 22:24 deL wrote: If non-mirror matchups is all it takes for you to get excited about a game then I have good news for you, there are plenty of gold and above tourneys that should be right up your alley. I love to watch the highest level of play, and when I'm watching the highest level of play, I like to watch non-mirror matchups. So those lower level tournaments aren't right up my alley. Thank you for making a non-point though. I'm a Protoss player, so naturally I like seeing Protoss play. But, I would rather see any other matchup in the finals (or any of level of a tournament) than a PvP regardless of who the players are. I don't see what is so hard to understand about this point of view. Mirror matchups are generally less interesting than non-mirror matchups. | ||
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AmstAff
Germany949 Posts
On November 01 2010 22:22 Sanguinarius wrote: You dont spread for storm You run away from storm. Maybe make EMP Damage over time. Like 10 damage every .5 secs like storm. That would be nice. I dont know in which league you play, but I SPREAD always my units as P or as T and as a T I run out of the storm but with units that are spread less units get affected by storm and you dont need to run with your hole ball and that means that the rest of your units can still shoot and as P I spread because of EMP. Its always funny to see 1 control group of P units and the slow HTs running clumped at the end and getting EMPed by 1 cloaked ghost, because P is even to lazy to get more than 1 obs out. Finally Storm can KILL, EMP can't + shields regenerate so fast. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On November 01 2010 22:34 Yaotzin wrote: Well I think results (overall, from all tournaments) pretty clearly show there's something wrong with P, just as there was with Z. But yeah, it's fairly well balanced, 95% of the time it's just the better player winning. I'm more just really annoyed at these Terrans actually having the gall to claim they're UP, especially against P despite them dominating Protoss in tournaments since, er, release at least. The problem of balance is it's a BALANCE. If you buff protoss against terran you have to find a way to do it without breaking the PvZ matchup that is well balanced (I think ?) If you nerf terran against protoss you have to find a way to do it without brealing the TvZ matchup that is well balanced too (I think ?) Thant why it's *artosis voice* sooooooooooooo haaaaaaaaaaaard. | ||
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UnholyRai
720 Posts
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
On November 01 2010 22:25 Kraznaya wrote: B-Teamer and Estro A-teamer (equivalent of a B-team on another team lol) never nearly as prominent as ITR, Boxer, or Nada learn some history Except that they lost to NO-teamer BW players. Tester to a noname in prelims, SangHo to Foxer in r16. | ||
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shynee
Canada180 Posts
On November 01 2010 22:30 QkDown wrote: If you're playing in gold league yes you can kill armies with storm, if you're pro like these guys, not so much. Regardless, Genius made numerous mistakes, and that caused his loss, not terran op'ness..ism? (ps, you can warp in ghosts rdy to emp as well. Where are you getting this information from? I play on diamond 2000+ points and most protoss go storm after they pass the early-mid phase of the game. The reason you don't see pros going storm as much is because there are rarely ever any long PvT games. I always see Huk and Whitera using storm vs bio. Also, there is a reason why Blizzard is going to address this issue in the next patch. | ||
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zerious
Canada3803 Posts
On November 01 2010 22:40 bokeevboke wrote: Except that they lost to NO-teamer BW players. Tester to a noname in prelims, SangHo to Foxer in r16. Foxer was a B-Teamer on MBCGame Heros | ||
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
On November 01 2010 22:39 AmstAff wrote: I dont know in which league you play, but I SPREAD always my units as P or as T and as a T I run out of the storm but with units that are spread less units get affected by storm and you dont need to run with your hole ball and that means that the rest of your units can still shoot and as P I spread because of EMP. Its always funny to see 1 control group of P units and the slow HTs running clumped at the end and getting EMPed by 1 cloaked ghost, because P is even to lazy to get more than 1 obs out. Finally Storm can KILL, EMP can't + shields regenerate so fast. Could be because as soon as the Terran sees the observer coming he emps it and kills it? | ||
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Gudeldar
United States1200 Posts
On November 01 2010 22:40 shynee wrote: Where are you getting this information from? I play on diamond 2000+ points and most protoss go storm after they pass the early-mid phase of the game. The reason you don't see pros going storm as much is because there are rarely ever any long PvT games. I always see Huk and Whitera using storm vs bio. Also, there is a reason why Blizzard is going to address this issue in the next patch. You always see HuK using storm? You sure you are watching the right player? HuK uses colossus 90% of the time no matter how late the game goes, I can probably count on one hand the number of times I've seen HuK use storm. | ||
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Grubbegrabbn
Sweden174 Posts
There will be no balance whine in this thread I really enjoyed both games, imho the best GSL day so far. Cant wait to get home and play :-) | ||
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Keldaur
Spain55 Posts
Great games to watch, ITR vs Genius wasnt that awesome, but kyrix vs Foxer paid off, The whole fifth match trying to convince myself Foxer could pull it off, and the kid did. Epic. | ||
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wxwx
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eggs
1011 Posts
On November 01 2010 22:38 zemiron wrote:. Mirror matchups are generally less interesting than non-mirror matchups. that's a pretty wild claim. you have to realize there's only 6 (3 non mirror and 3 mirror) matchups. ZvZ is pretty exciting and TvT is usually a good show of skill. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On November 01 2010 22:43 wxwx wrote: Also that thor rush is rediculous. Nexgenius went the safest build order against terran (2gate robo), and was utterly curbstomped. Add in non-targetted scv's repairing. typical terran bs. So you like when a protoss tries to slip his canon in your backside or what ? | ||
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