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PsykoMantis
Profile Joined June 2010
United States203 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-31 21:05:38
October 31 2010 21:04 GMT
#1141
On November 01 2010 06:01 ffdestiny wrote:
And team of tier1 units takes down all of Lz's tier 3 units; doesn't matter how many he kills, what he does, or even what he makes. Gotta suck to lose to a macro mechanic and not actual skill.


you say this and not realize that zerglings can only reach their full potential at t3, so obviously they should be viable against lz's marauders + thors (which are somewhat countered by lings)
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
October 31 2010 21:04 GMT
#1142
On November 01 2010 06:01 ffdestiny wrote:
And team of tier1 units takes down all of Lz's tier 3 units; doesn't matter how many he kills, what he does, or even what he makes. Gotta suck to lose to a macro mechanic and not actual skill.


LZ made nothing but marauders and Thors, both of which are hardcountered by mass lings.

What the fuck did you expect to happen? Don't cry imba when he does bullshit like that.
ffdestiny
Profile Joined September 2010
United States773 Posts
October 31 2010 21:04 GMT
#1143
On November 01 2010 06:03 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 05:59 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On November 01 2010 05:58 MrCon wrote:
thors and marauders against mass lings, lz is a terran caricature :/


As opposed to.... making marines and the zerg switches to more banelings instead? I'm not complaining about balance, but I haven't seen any terran pull off a viable late game strat against zerg if they have the eco to just throw ling/muta/bling into a terran army yet.

If you make marine you can replenish your army as fast as the zerg player, with 10 reactored raxes.
Then is the zerg you wasted his gaz and larvas to kill your mineral only army.
Then you spend your gas as you like to counter what the zer gis doing.

Here we had the opposite : zerg is doing minerals only units, trading them for gas heave marauders and thors, that sux balls against lings.
So zerg can use his gaz to tech to whatever he wants.

Seems lz is playing like 1.1.1 and 1.1.2 never happened


This is so wrong.
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
October 31 2010 21:04 GMT
#1144
MSI - Men Speak Inglish?
https://steamcommunity.com/id/*tlusernamehere*/
Chaosvuistje
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands2581 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-31 21:06:32
October 31 2010 21:05 GMT
#1145
If LZ got the blueflame up early, that midgame push would have been so SO much more tougher.

Edit: All this talk makes me think that this MSI notebook is really freaking awesome. Its too bad I already have a near brand new laptop. Else I would definitely go for it. Intel i-7? Surround sound? Hell yeah.
pilsken
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany441 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-31 21:05:46
October 31 2010 21:05 GMT
#1146

As opposed to.... making marines and the zerg switches to more banelings instead? I'm not complaining about balance, but I haven't seen any terran pull off a viable late game strat against zerg if they have the eco to just throw ling/muta/bling into a terran army yet.


Hmmm... get hellions? What do you want with Marauders if there isn't even a Roach Warren? He added igniter hellions extremely late while slush was massing zerglings over the whole game. Igniter Hellions shut down mass ling play pretty hardcore, no matter the upgrades on the lings. Or perhaps add a few Tanks?

Marauders really only are good vs. Roaches and to snipe expansions. Against Ling/Muta it's the last unit you wanna build.
groms
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1017 Posts
October 31 2010 21:05 GMT
#1147
On November 01 2010 06:00 Tachion wrote:
I'm surprised he didn't make tanks giving the ridic amount of ling/baneling every game :/

same I don't see how thors are effective unless you're pushing on close positions or you are facing lots of mutalisks(which he never was). He army was always way less mobile and wasn't even that powerful. He gave slush so much time each game too.

I still like his mass thor style. At least he has his own style, not many do. Just don't think calling zerg OP is necessary. GG's by both players and I hope the finals is pretty epic. Also hope the Idra games are good.
I have a recurring dream that I'm running away from a terran player but the marauders keep slowing me down. - Artosis
Samp
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada783 Posts
October 31 2010 21:05 GMT
#1148
On November 01 2010 06:04 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
MSI - Men Speak Inglish?


hahahaha, so true xD
Banelings, "They're cute, they live in a nest". -Artosis
HollowLord
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3862 Posts
October 31 2010 21:05 GMT
#1149
So... where the fuck were the tanks from LZ?
dota 2 stream #noskill #feed #noob twitch.tv/dmcredgrave
Skuller
Profile Joined September 2010
United States197 Posts
October 31 2010 21:05 GMT
#1150
On November 01 2010 06:02 Corrupted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 06:01 MrCon wrote:
On November 01 2010 05:59 Corrupted wrote:
On November 01 2010 05:58 MrCon wrote:
thors and marauders against mass lings, lz is a terran caricature :/


lol...you say that like it matters what he does.

I don't understand. Isn't the game based on the fact that what you are doing matters ?


Not when you can trade armies (losing the battle actually), then instantly re-inforce with 70 units.


Remember 70 lings sounds impressive, but its 35 supply worth of units. Lz had multiple factories and rax. Theoretically he could have easily put 35 supply worth of units into production at the same time.

The thing about the last game is that Slush chose the right position to engage the terran army at 200 200. Max armies should go in the terran's favor (if he has been upgrading at the same rate as the zerg army). But Slush engaged lzgamer when he was trying to go up the ramp to the fifth, leaving units definitely out of place.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
October 31 2010 21:07 GMT
#1151
On November 01 2010 06:04 ffdestiny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 06:03 MrCon wrote:
On November 01 2010 05:59 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On November 01 2010 05:58 MrCon wrote:
thors and marauders against mass lings, lz is a terran caricature :/


As opposed to.... making marines and the zerg switches to more banelings instead? I'm not complaining about balance, but I haven't seen any terran pull off a viable late game strat against zerg if they have the eco to just throw ling/muta/bling into a terran army yet.

If you make marine you can replenish your army as fast as the zerg player, with 10 reactored raxes.
Then is the zerg you wasted his gaz and larvas to kill your mineral only army.
Then you spend your gas as you like to counter what the zer gis doing.

Here we had the opposite : zerg is doing minerals only units, trading them for gas heave marauders and thors, that sux balls against lings.
So zerg can use his gaz to tech to whatever he wants.

Seems lz is playing like 1.1.1 and 1.1.2 never happened


This is so wrong.

Ok, think what you want, and don't explain if you want.

Just watch GSL, you won't see WINNING terran masses stupid thors and marauders against zerg.
Some make thors, but they mass marines with that and add tanks.
Making marauders against zerg (except making 4 or 5 to tank banes) is retarded. Massing marauders is worse.
SC2Real
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany184 Posts
October 31 2010 21:08 GMT
#1152
slush is almost always going mutas first even though he should know that lz loves thors :S

same with machine vs. huk.. mutas all the way even though it made no sense..

seems like all the easy wins with muta/bling/ling have really limited their playstyles >.>
greycubed
Profile Joined May 2010
United States615 Posts
October 31 2010 21:08 GMT
#1153
I only caught the end of that game but why the hell did I see marauders on the field? No wonder Idra disses Lz so hard.
http://i.imgur.com/N3ujB.png
cocosoft
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1068 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-31 21:08:47
October 31 2010 21:08 GMT
#1154
On November 01 2010 06:01 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 05:59 Corrupted wrote:
On November 01 2010 05:58 MrCon wrote:
thors and marauders against mass lings, lz is a terran caricature :/


lol...you say that like it matters what he does.

I don't understand. Isn't the game based on the fact that what you are doing matters ?

I'm pretty sure you understand what he says. He implies that marines wouldn't be viable as slush would just go banelings.

But lz really could've gone blue flame hellions, and even try tanks or maybe heavy air play.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
October 31 2010 21:09 GMT
#1155
wow there's actually 10.5k viewers ? I hadn't seen that lol, pretty nice !
NoiR
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
October 31 2010 21:09 GMT
#1156
On November 01 2010 06:08 wrgrbl wrote:
I only caught the end of that game but why the hell did I see marauders on the field? No wonder Idra disses Lz so hard.


Marauders AND thors, such incredible unit synergy against non armored units right there
Corrupted
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1255 Posts
October 31 2010 21:09 GMT
#1157
On November 01 2010 06:05 Skuller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 06:02 Corrupted wrote:
On November 01 2010 06:01 MrCon wrote:
On November 01 2010 05:59 Corrupted wrote:
On November 01 2010 05:58 MrCon wrote:
thors and marauders against mass lings, lz is a terran caricature :/


lol...you say that like it matters what he does.

I don't understand. Isn't the game based on the fact that what you are doing matters ?


Not when you can trade armies (losing the battle actually), then instantly re-inforce with 70 units.


Remember 70 lings sounds impressive, but its 35 supply worth of units. Lz had multiple factories and rax. Theoretically he could have easily put 35 supply worth of units into production at the same time.

The thing about the last game is that Slush chose the right position to engage the terran army at 200 200. Max armies should go in the terran's favor (if he has been upgrading at the same rate as the zerg army). But Slush engaged lzgamer when he was trying to go up the ramp to the fifth, leaving units definitely out of place.


People underestimate (apparently), how expensive and slow it is to mass units out of factories.
"MarineKing rolling double sevens there" -Artosis
Iodem
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1173 Posts
October 31 2010 21:10 GMT
#1158
On November 01 2010 06:04 Wayem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 06:02 Talin wrote:
HuK has to win this so he can mothership rush IdrA. xD


rofl... can't imagine the BM if he manages to win with this :o


IdrA: you're really good at making motherships
HuK: thanks
IdrA: very useful talent to have
If you don't like it, you can quit.
ffdestiny
Profile Joined September 2010
United States773 Posts
October 31 2010 21:10 GMT
#1159
On November 01 2010 06:07 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 06:04 ffdestiny wrote:
On November 01 2010 06:03 MrCon wrote:
On November 01 2010 05:59 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On November 01 2010 05:58 MrCon wrote:
thors and marauders against mass lings, lz is a terran caricature :/


As opposed to.... making marines and the zerg switches to more banelings instead? I'm not complaining about balance, but I haven't seen any terran pull off a viable late game strat against zerg if they have the eco to just throw ling/muta/bling into a terran army yet.

If you make marine you can replenish your army as fast as the zerg player, with 10 reactored raxes.
Then is the zerg you wasted his gaz and larvas to kill your mineral only army.
Then you spend your gas as you like to counter what the zer gis doing.

Here we had the opposite : zerg is doing minerals only units, trading them for gas heave marauders and thors, that sux balls against lings.
So zerg can use his gaz to tech to whatever he wants.

Seems lz is playing like 1.1.1 and 1.1.2 never happened


This is so wrong.

Ok, think what you want, and don't explain if you want.

Just watch GSL, you won't see WINNING terran masses stupid thors and marauders against zerg.
Some make thors, but they mass marines with that and add tanks.
Making marauders against zerg (except making 4 or 5 to tank banes) is retarded. Massing marauders is worse.


Yeah stupid Thors, man, they're just so weak against Z, I totally agree.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-31 21:14:52
October 31 2010 21:13 GMT
#1160
On November 01 2010 06:08 cocosoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 06:01 MrCon wrote:
On November 01 2010 05:59 Corrupted wrote:
On November 01 2010 05:58 MrCon wrote:
thors and marauders against mass lings, lz is a terran caricature :/


lol...you say that like it matters what he does.

I don't understand. Isn't the game based on the fact that what you are doing matters ?

I'm pretty sure you understand what he says. He implies that marines wouldn't be viable as slush would just go banelings.

But lz really could've gone blue flame hellions, and even try tanks or maybe heavy air play.

But you WANT banelings. Banelings are gas and larva heavy ! Good marine split/micro make marine "good" against banes. (by "good" I mean they will waste a lot of ressources to kill your cheap and quick made marines)
It's the same spirit than SK Terran in SC1. It's like terran in sc1 said "oh, they have lurkers, I can't make marine". The thing is with marines you can outmacro the zerg. And out map control him.

I know it's counter intuitive, that's why so much terrans are strugling against zerg nowadays.
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