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Lunchtime
Profile Joined August 2010
183 Posts
October 23 2010 00:45 GMT
#4361
Also it seems HuK's new strategy here is some early warpgate pressure before going into the expansion (not the kvdc-style FE from MLG). Let's see if he keeps that up if he plays another Terran.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
October 23 2010 00:45 GMT
#4362
On October 23 2010 09:43 syrupychinadian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 09:37 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On October 23 2010 09:36 floor exercise wrote:
On October 23 2010 09:34 potatomash3r wrote:
I think Kiwikaki would have done a much better job than HuK.

Kiwi is the best NA protoss by far.

Huk isn't terrible he's just never had the decision making of a high level player. It's not something new, it has always been his flaw

what you might wanna check again lol



I think what's more accurate is that Kiwi appears to be a much more flexible protoss. And tho kiwi hasn't really had the wins that HuK has, kiwi can threaten with a lot more strategies.

HuK, and most protoss in general favor the Stalker+Colossus a little too much imo. Terrans can almost just blind counter it at this point. I'd love to see more protoss going templar/dt/phoenix tech against terrans. (ala GSL2)

I dunno templar/dt/phoenix is a lot harder. Hopefully players will figure out how to make it work but I've seen that fail quite a bit more often than stalker-colossus. I think maybe one or two players in GSL2 looked like they were getting the hang of it? Not sure off the top of my head.
Lipski
Profile Joined October 2010
Poland373 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 00:45:40
October 23 2010 00:45 GMT
#4363
you guys should stop with this "HuK is shit now" bs. tester didnt even qualify for gsl2, and he is one of the best protoss in sc2 currently.
you sometimes lose to players that overall are worse than you. it's what you achive in the long run that matters, so plz take a look at HuK achivements so far in sc2 tournaments, and stfu.
"i'll just train hard and win the next one"
Bob Loblaw
Profile Joined May 2010
England211 Posts
October 23 2010 00:45 GMT
#4364
On October 23 2010 09:41 Bob Loblaw wrote:
Do we get to see the whole SC2 tourney today? Or is it split with tomorrow?



Please it's 3am here i need to know if it's worth staying up :D
Check out my law blog at bobloblawlawblog.com
DyniX
Profile Joined August 2010
Vietnam45 Posts
October 23 2010 00:45 GMT
#4365
Just for your information that the SC2 tournament is indeed live. They have the long breaks for you people watching for free. For people who paid to watch it for 40$, they get live coverage in every matchup, watch it in HD, no spikes, and can switch through any channel. I'm watching it with directtv and TLO seriously can not play zerg. Just helping you guys who say it's not live....
Marl
Profile Joined January 2010
United States694 Posts
October 23 2010 00:45 GMT
#4366
On October 23 2010 09:41 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 09:37 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On October 23 2010 09:36 floor exercise wrote:
On October 23 2010 09:34 potatomash3r wrote:
I think Kiwikaki would have done a much better job than HuK.

Kiwi is the best NA protoss by far.

Huk isn't terrible he's just never had the decision making of a high level player. It's not something new, it has always been his flaw

what you might wanna check again lol

Tyler's right, wtf is this Kiwi is the best Protoss in North America shit? Kiwi is clearly number 2 after Incontrol. Then probably Huk, Suggy, TTOne.


You forgot to add JP... yeah I know he doesn't play in tourneys but at least he talks with the community in podcasts.
Gudeldar
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1200 Posts
October 23 2010 00:45 GMT
#4367
HuK needs to watch Sang-Ho play and learn from his style.
raidmaster
Profile Joined July 2010
474 Posts
October 23 2010 00:45 GMT
#4368
Tyler = Liquid Nony. Ring any bells?
Xxavi
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1248 Posts
October 23 2010 00:45 GMT
#4369
On October 23 2010 09:43 Bluest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 09:39 Xxavi wrote:
On October 23 2010 09:36 yowza wrote:
On October 23 2010 09:33 Xxavi wrote:
Huk is terrible. I don't know why fans on here keep criticizing GSL for being poor quality and referring to tournaments like MLG, knowing that best of those guys would be lucky to get into GSL's round of 32.

Terrible play.

This.

Same with the whole TLO story, hyped to kingdom come but ever since the terran nerf he's done what exactly?

It's just a simple fact that asia > rest of the world in sc2 aswell, people will start realizing this soon when all their hyped players make ro32 at best. Only one who actually has a chance is idra because of his background and practise over there.

Agreed completely. The hype around TLO is such that you'd think he is a really good player. He is about GSL round of 64 or 32 level player. Not any better than that.

Not a bad player, don't get me wrong, but nothing like what some describe here.


Way offbase on TLO. He was on the razor's edge against Hyperdub in gsl1 and made him uncomfortable enough that hyper did a super all-in on a 4 player map. In gsl2 TLO was very unfortunate to play Sangho in the first round and would have advanced vs most of the field. Furthermore, TvP is his worst matchup and frankly I just don't like his BO and plan vs them. His macro and micro is still very strong and he'll work out a new plan vs P one of these days.


I know, but Hyperdub was better in every single game of those 3 they played, I hope you agree on that at least? One fluke nuke changed that game.

TLO is entertaining, I give you that, but at some point he has to start performing. Otherwise, we have to just accept that he is at the level he is showing at tournaments I guess.
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
October 23 2010 00:45 GMT
#4370
so how many western players could win a tourney with the best chinese and koreans? Idra maybe?
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
October 23 2010 00:46 GMT
#4371
On October 23 2010 09:42 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 09:41 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
On October 23 2010 09:37 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On October 23 2010 09:36 floor exercise wrote:
On October 23 2010 09:34 potatomash3r wrote:
I think Kiwikaki would have done a much better job than HuK.

Kiwi is the best NA protoss by far.

Huk isn't terrible he's just never had the decision making of a high level player. It's not something new, it has always been his flaw

what you might wanna check again lol

Tyler's right, wtf is this Kiwi is the best Protoss in North America shit? Kiwi is clearly number 2 after Incontrol. Then probably Huk, Suggy, TTOne.

What about Tyler? :D I thought that was what he wanted to hear

I know .
Tercotta
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada402 Posts
October 23 2010 00:46 GMT
#4372
On October 23 2010 09:42 FliedLice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 09:38 Devolved wrote:
On October 23 2010 09:13 pigfat wrote:
On October 23 2010 09:13 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
wait so is this live or not?

yes

Actually, I think they are streaming VODs of what happened live a few hours ago.


i can't really imagine there's nobody at blizzcon with some kind of netbook, smartphone, whatever thats not on tl and not tweeting shit about what's happening there... i mean it's nerdland down there this weekend

Not to mention that the official TeamLiquid twitter feed was matching the pace untill it stopped updating for a bit only an hour or so ago. It's live.

And if it isn't it might as well be. It's not like they are playing games we know the result of.
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
October 23 2010 00:46 GMT
#4373
On October 23 2010 09:36 floor exercise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 09:34 potatomash3r wrote:
I think Kiwikaki would have done a much better job than HuK.

Kiwi is the best NA protoss by far.

Huk isn't terrible he's just never had the decision making of a high level player. It's not something new, it has always been his flaw


Not really that great fan of HuK play, I especially dislike his early colossi play and inability to ever use templars it seems , but what do you mean by high level player, I think he is high level enough. Especially compared to Kiwi since he kind of defeated him. I like Kiwis play better when he is not doing something totally stupid, but he does that too often and that is I think reason HuK ends up in tournaments higher than Kiwi, he is more solid, although last two games didn't look like it.

Also love all the people here saying that HuK is getting worse or is actually bad based on what, two games really level of logic here is so high
DrGreen
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland708 Posts
October 23 2010 00:46 GMT
#4374
Are u fckin kidding me about Maka vs Demuslim?!?!
ANOTHER TVT? This is bad..... This is so bad... Setting alarm to fruitdealer vs boxer and hoping it will be in time.
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
October 23 2010 00:46 GMT
#4375
Both Huk and TLO are good player, I personally think TLO has a lot more potential, but both of them seem to just suffer from stage fright. TLO goes badly on tilt and starts doing impulsive blind decisions (like not scout close ground first on Metal), while Huk goes badly on tilt and starts overcommiting.
whatsgrackalackin420
FLuE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1012 Posts
October 23 2010 00:46 GMT
#4376

It is live, damn it. Otherwise Tasteless wouldn't be making sarcastic comments when they are showing the bracket.


It is pre-recorded. So at the time they are filming the games were live, but it is basically a tape delay.

MLG Raleigh isn't really that big a stage compared to this, and the brackets put him in a lot of PvP which he's good at.


You can't use MLG DC to back your argument up then dismiss MLG Raleigh. Sorry. Fact is there have been 4 "big" North American events, HuK won 1, placed well in 2, and we'll see what he does when this one is over. That isn't choking on the big stage. I'd put that resume up with pretty much anyone outside of Korea... and I'm sure I'm missing a lot of smaller tournaments online that he won or placed well in.
Devolved
Profile Joined April 2008
United States2753 Posts
October 23 2010 00:46 GMT
#4377
On October 23 2010 09:41 Djeez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 09:40 megagoten wrote:
breaks are there to make us believe that this is live


It is live, damn it. Otherwise Tasteless wouldn't be making sarcastic comments when they are showing the bracket.

Is that why we know the results hours before the games are shown? IT IS NOT LIVE. They f-ed up with the live stream and are now showing us what they recorded, but couldn't stream at the time of recording due to technical issues).
$♥$
starcraft2leverage
Profile Joined October 2010
United States207 Posts
October 23 2010 00:46 GMT
#4378
On October 23 2010 09:36 yowza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 09:33 Xxavi wrote:
Huk is terrible. I don't know why fans on here keep criticizing GSL for being poor quality and referring to tournaments like MLG, knowing that best of those guys would be lucky to get into GSL's round of 32.

Terrible play.

This.

Same with the whole TLO story, hyped to kingdom come but ever since the terran nerf he's done what exactly?

It's just a simple fact that asia > rest of the world in sc2 aswell, people will start realizing this soon when all their hyped players make ro32 at best. Only one who actually has a chance is idra because of his background and practise over there.


It's really hilarious when people say stuff like this. Compare the level of play at GSL ro64 versus MLG DC. MLG DC >>>>>>>>>>>>> GSL ro64 except for like 4 games. I mean seriously there were some embarrassingly bad matches @ gsl. Idra for example just flattened his opponent. Just wrecked.
OneOddOrange
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada215 Posts
October 23 2010 00:46 GMT
#4379
Jesus Sen vs. Loner is gonna be an insane game.
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
October 23 2010 00:47 GMT
#4380
On October 23 2010 09:45 DyniX wrote:
Just for your information that the SC2 tournament is indeed live. They have the long breaks for you people watching for free. For people who paid to watch it for 40$, they get live coverage in every matchup, watch it in HD, no spikes, and can switch through any channel. I'm watching it with directtv and TLO seriously can not play zerg. Just helping you guys who say it's not live....


Trolololol.
whatsgrackalackin420
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