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imperator-xy
Germany1366 Posts
no, its the orc player violet who is number 9 on gosugamers wc3 ranking at the moment. one of his mates from Serious Gaming (he should still play there) told me that violets playing sc2 and that he should be pretty strong when i played him on eu ladder. http://www.gosugamers.net/warcraft/rankings/3401 | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
mh i have to correct myself. It depends on the brackets. But I think he has the ability to enter the Ro16. Like nazgul said, the psycological effect in such a big tournament is huge. Remember the Maka/Nexliveforever games, where Maka screw up the second game. Another example, TOP vs Cool, I think TOP lost the third match because he played too save. After he receaved an advantage I think, he thought he better expands and carries his advantage home than keep on harrasing and risking anything. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On October 11 2010 17:36 supersoft wrote: TLO lost to nada twice i think in the BO5 at the IEM... And nada had only practiced for one week. + why shouldnt nada/boxer be as good as e.g. tester/cool/ITR after some pratice... they're also ex-BW pros... so I don't think they are overrated... I expect nada and boxer to be at the Ro16 TLO went 2-1 but it's a showmatch I wouldn't take too much from it. It means Nada wasn't terrible but that's all you can say. People also shouldn't take too much from ladder games. You never know how serious the players take it, whether they're experimenting, etc. Boxer and Nada can become as good or better than those guys but there's no guarantees. I'm pretty confident that they will be better than ITR and Tester though. Cool is a beast if they become as good as him SC2 will blow up. | ||
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lasto
141 Posts
On October 11 2010 17:32 exitusnow wrote: lol everyday the new qualifying threads come up and run to check my youtube subscriptions for new artosis video but still nothing up  maybe hes waiting for it to end to compile the epicness!!If I remembered correct, Artosis said he got a cold yesterday and he couldn't come to GSL qualifier that day. He will upload the video on the first day of GSL qualifier when he has time. | ||
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TehRaZer
36 Posts
On October 11 2010 17:26 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Him and Nada are definitely overhyped as can be seen from our frontpage poll. It's not so much overhype as they being sentimental favorites. Fans of both knows their best days are behind them but they'll still be rooting for Boxer and Nada to relive their old brilliance in the new game. | ||
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Hirnfrost
Germany938 Posts
what a sad day | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On October 11 2010 17:45 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: TLO went 2-1 but it's a showmatch I wouldn't take too much from it. It means Nada wasn't terrible but that's all you can say. People also shouldn't take too much from ladder games. You never know how serious the players take it, whether they're experimenting, etc. Boxer and Nada can become as good or better than those guys but there's no guarantees. Ah okay, sorry i only remembered the game on steppes where Nada had an insane amount of tanks... I also strongly agree with you that you shouldn't take too much from laddergames. Boxer has (had?) no team for a while now and in some interview he said that he only practiced in ladder. Obviously he had to experiment a lot in his laddergames... we all know what happens if we try new things in laddergames. :D | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
Glad to see Inca made it at least. He is the protoss best hope along with NEXGenius. | ||
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FrodaN
754 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On October 11 2010 17:51 On_Slaught wrote: Tester, Cella and TOP out before the ro64? What bullshit. No doubt they lose to abusive/cheesy play. They can't put in the seeding shit fast enough. No TLO info yet? Don't see his name anywhere. Glad to see Inca made it at least. He is the protoss best hope along with NEXGenius. Tester lost straight up, in game 1 at least. | ||
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dtz
5834 Posts
the guy who beat tester , flintzenith is apparently quite good and has done extensive research on various top players. not sure about the guy who beat top but he is in top 200. so yea , dont be too mad and too quick to blame the opponents. They can turn out to be quite good. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On October 11 2010 17:51 On_Slaught wrote: Tester, Cella and TOP out before the ro64? What bullshit. No doubt they lose to abusive/cheesy play. They can't put in the seeding shit fast enough. No TLO info yet? Don't see his name anywhere. Glad to see Inca made it at least. He is the protoss best hope along with NEXGenius. Have you read ANYTHING up to this point? They didn't lose to cheesy play, the game is new, they just lost. The plan was listed out for GSL for the last few months, and NOW people start bitching that the system is flawed, nobody made this argument because you didn't know 50 of the 64 names in the first GSL but all of a sudden you think OMG HE QUALIFIED FIRST ONE HE MUST HAVE LOST TO BULLSHIT CHEESER. TLO info? Once again you haven't read much, he's not playing tonight, brackets haven't been listed, we'll see tomorrow. At least I can agree with you about oGsInca. He's sick. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
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Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
On October 11 2010 17:44 supersoft wrote: mh i have to correct myself. It depends on the brackets. But I think he has the ability to enter the Ro16. Like nazgul said, the psycological effect in such a big tournament is huge. Remember the Maka/Nexliveforever games, where Maka screw up the second game. Another example, TOP vs Cool, I think TOP lost the third match because he played too save. After he receaved an advantage I think, he thought he better expands and carries his advantage home than keep on harrasing and risking anything. I'm sick and tired of all these people who think the flaw in TOP's game was the double expo; ogs players have said in the past they discuss what armies are strong at what point in the game and from there work out a way to get to that point. Clearly TOP's early game aggression was a part of his plan to get to an upgraded mass Thor army, something literally unstoppable for Zerg if the Terran plays it correctly. The double expo was probably to allow production of enough Thors quickly enough to stay safe; a player like TOP wouldn't go into the Ace game of the semifinals in a $90k tournament with no gameplan outside of "harass with hellions and banshees". Basically, his harass was effective and he followed it up with his 'safe' build which should have guaranteed the win - an incredible amount of effort probably went into the development of that build, and it should have guaranteed him the game. Later, lucky for Cool, a number of both strategic and micro mistakes let Cool back in the game, and then TOP totally threw it away via the whole 'Thors getting flanked by a million ultras' incident. Fact: if not flanked perfectly like TOP let happen, Thors range and dps makes them very very cost effective against ultras. TOP totally threw that game away, Cool didn't win. End rant. More on topic - I don't think the psychological advantage will carry Boxer and Nada to the RO16, but rather training regime and the fact that these are players who are used to coming up with innovative builds for series play. Like the lack of nerves, this wouldn't be something noticed on ladder, but similar to TOP in the GSL1 I'm sure Nada, Boxer and MVP will show us some spectacular builds and I can't wait. | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
On October 11 2010 17:55 ZlaSHeR wrote: Have you read ANYTHING up to this point? They didn't lose to cheesy play, the game is new, they just lost. The plan was listed out for GSL for the last few months, and NOW people start bitching that the system is flawed, nobody made this argument because you didn't know 50 of the 64 names in the first GSL but all of a sudden you think OMG HE QUALIFIED FIRST ONE HE MUST HAVE LOST TO BULLSHIT CHEESER. TLO info? Once again you haven't read much, he's not playing tonight, brackets haven't been listed, we'll see tomorrow. At least I can agree with you about oGsInca. He's sick. Give him a break man. He's first registered at 2008  On more serious note, pretty surprised - and bitterly happy? - that there are ZvZ ro4. | ||
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Yotta
United States270 Posts
On October 11 2010 17:30 abrasion wrote: There's a huge difference between ladder games and tournament games. For all we know boxer and/or nada could have been trying out new builds or we're seeing a selection bias from the increased probability that someone will post and publicize a game where they beat a legendary player. We've yet to see either of them play in a SC2 tournament yet, so all we can do is guess at how they'll do, but the ladder games that have been released to us shouldn't be a major factor in assuming how well they'll do.Disclaimer: Still not trolling, incase some kind of defenders come along. Considering his play on youtube and who has smashed him - and then how far those people have got in the GSL last season, it just doesn't make sense to me. :/ I wish the guy well as he is a legend and all but honestly his play has been sub par against people who lost in the last GSL. How Tester can not get in and Boxer does eludes me. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On October 11 2010 17:57 Hesmyrr wrote: Give him a break man. He's first registered at 2008 On more serious note, pretty surprised - and bitterly happy? - that there are ZvZ ro4. See, thats what I thought, someone who's from BW would know that this game isn't solved yet. Heres a little hint to some of the posters here, the 64 people who qualified in GSL1 AREN'T THE 64 best players in the world, SHOCKING I know. Hard to fathom that a 12 year old, Torch, and Artosis aren't among the 64 best in the world. Even they can lose to standard play. | ||
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Demand2k
Norway875 Posts
t_t Cella, the cutest of them all! | ||
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indiehjaerta
Sweden93 Posts
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DND_Enkil
Sweden598 Posts
On October 11 2010 18:02 ZlaSHeR wrote: See, thats what I thought, someone who's from BW would know that this game isn't solved yet. Heres a little hint to some of the posters here, the 64 people who qualified in GSL1 AREN'T THE 64 best players in the world, SHOCKING I know. Hard to fathom that a 12 year old, Torch, and Artosis aren't among the 64 best in the world. Even they can lose to standard play. Yeah agree with this, the biggest upset for me so far is not Cella, Tester or Top getting knocked out. Cella lost to Clide and that was what i expected, and Tester losing was bit more suprising but Flint seems like a solid player and i fully expected some new names to show themselves. New does not equal bad, maybe he was sick GSL1 or prefered to take some extra time to practise. Not sure about the player Top lost to, think someone said that he appeared on Gisados now and then and was decent but nothing spectacular? | ||
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Also, would Liquid release reps of TLO losing to Boxer? (well, maybe.) What you're experiencing is sample bias.
