EPT[GSL] Open S1 - Ro32 Day 4 - Page 139
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JeJeFlak
Romania52 Posts
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henrikyo
Norway755 Posts
On September 20 2010 21:53 unkkz wrote: He´s like Nal_Ra or Boxer, always trying new and creative things. If Huk did an unorthodox build people wouldn´t call him a noob, if any known good player does a weird build he doesnt get called a noob, since you can most of the times see the intent of the build, what its meant to do and achieve. While someone not as great tries a weird build and completely fails, you often dont see the intent or purpose, or just notice that its plain thought out wrong/executed. TLO is very creative, there is no denying it. Im not denying TLOs creativity, however sometimes he does to much stuff at once, and it just messes him up | ||
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Aprikosen
Sweden53 Posts
Although the games were really high-paced at times I expect to see far more interesting TvTs in the near future, the players couldn´t multitask to keep up with how fast paced the game was, which made the game look sloppy. | ||
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The_DjiN
Germany86 Posts
On September 20 2010 21:55 SKtheAnathema wrote: why are people saying cheese is boring? tester vs freesaga game 3 was the best sc2 game i've ever seen in my life I second that! Also cheese is very tense for the spectators. Although games might be short there is always this: "can he hold it, will he scout it?" moments that are actually alot more entertaining then two players mass expanding for 15 minutes before they really engage =) And g3 of the Tester series just blew my mind. Just shows you that there are people that are very gifted and some are just not :D | ||
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Honeybadger
United States821 Posts
On September 20 2010 21:53 McFoo wrote: Cheese is part of the game and a viable strategy. It's a strategy involving a lack of talent. Drilling a build order in order to end a game that you know you're likely to lose in any other situation and throwing everything into a single push that early in the game, is just a pathetic show of poor form and a lack of ingenuity. Great generals didn't follow the book, either. There are a lot of people who could glean some understanding about everything, including SCII, from sun tzu's art of war. If you want to see a maniacal counter to the marine all-in, here's a replay of mine (skip to 4 minutes) I was just playing with a reaper opener into fast expand idea, but it wound up countering his marine cheese (with a bit of luck as well) http://www.justin.tv/popnsplat/b/270341773 | ||
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zemiron
United States481 Posts
On September 20 2010 21:44 Garaman wrote: you have never seen boxer play have you? where he sneaks an scv in oov's base and listens for the mining, runs back into a corner and proceeds to proxy like a mad man. proxy builds are exciting and part of the game. all you fanboys stop hating, we knew koreans would dominate this tourney, dont take away from dubs ability to throw alot of differet things at TLO I'm not really a fanboy, but thanks for assuming. Everytime I've ever seen a proxy cheese build in a competition, I've been underwhelmed and not excited. I just think it's kind of boring to watch and I'm sure there are plenty of people who would agree with me regardless of who they want to win any tournament. I think it's almost objective to say that cheese plays are generally less exciting and less entertaining than longer game plays. | ||
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Necosarius
Sweden4042 Posts
On September 20 2010 21:49 vek wrote: TLO played well but Hyperdub played better overall. Game 2 was pretty one sided in Hyperdub's favour. Not checking for rax in the last game was pretty sloppy but both players were no doubt worn out from the previous 2. The first game was fun to watch and TLO made an amazing comeback. I hope he continues to practice and become an even better player. I find it funny how angry people are getting at "cheese". People never got this worked up when Boxer BBS'd or Bisu horror gated Pokju into retirement... The blatant racism from some people is just ridiculous. They did however rage when Flash 7rax'd Jaedong in EVER OSL. Most people don't like it when their favorite player get cheesed. | ||
alecfisher
United States21 Posts
To all those people saying cheese apart of thegame deal with it.Well cheesing is being a douchbag and its gonna be looked down upon. Deal with it. + Show Spoiler + the only person i like for doing it was whiteraw, becasue he was famous for it and still pulled it off. that takes skill | ||
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wxwx
527 Posts
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Zozo
Brazil2579 Posts
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
On September 20 2010 21:54 keV. wrote: Actually, there is plenty wrong with bashing all Koreans OR TLO's fucking teammate Yeah, there's like three people here doing anything resembling that, if that. Stop making everything into some giant drama fest. The majority of "bashing" is just people rightfully expressing their opinion that cheese is cheap and terrible sportsmanship. Then there's the Machiavelli wannabes who never met a shanker they didn't like saying all's fair as long as you win. I think this is a legitimate difference of opinion without resorting to witch hunts like "omg u so racist!". | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
TLO for GSL2. :D | ||
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Raid
United States398 Posts
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Grond
599 Posts
On September 20 2010 21:54 TBO wrote: Games where a player cheeses but doesn't win instantely very often end up to be very entertaining and innovative so cheese is not as bad for the spectators as some make it sound I wouldn't say often, maybe occasionally. If it had been scouted I'm pretty sure he would have lost relatively quickly. It doesn't make a lot of sense from the interview. Hyperdub should have won the first game. He said he was confident after the first game that he would win so why go for a quick All In on Metalopolis? | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On September 20 2010 21:56 keV. wrote: That is actually an EXCELLENT spread of MU's considering the races break down. this is so very true - only one mirror-matchup in Ro16 is just awsome, and 2 zergs is not "that" bad when we look at the latest tournaments | ||
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ChickenLips
2912 Posts
On September 20 2010 21:54 TBO wrote: Games where a player cheeses but doesn't win instantely very often end up to be very entertaining and innovative so cheese is not as bad for the spectators as some make it sound Cheese is terrible and I don't want to see it in anything less than BO5. Cheese almost NEVER goes long. And if it does, either one of them is sufficiently screwed up, sure the 1 % of games where it goes long is entertaining. The rest of them are just frustrating since almost always the worse player cheeses in SC2 and then goes on to beat the better player that just doesnt have the years of experience he needs to reliably fend off all the various cheeses. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
For the interview, it will be up later since they want the paying customer to have access to the Live interview first, then the rest could watch it later. No need to get angry about that. Good luck in the next GSL, TLO!!! I will keep on cheering for ya!!! | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On September 20 2010 21:56 phungus420 wrote: It's much like poker, where sometimes you need to throw out some bluffs against opponents that are playing too tight in order to get them to call, or call some hands you where you think you are probably beat. In short cheese is an integral part of the game. No way man, bluffing totally ruins the game of poker. Winning hands you deserved to lose? That is really undermining to the skill of the players. We should play with all of our cards face up and eliminate the blinds so that the best player will win every time. Also, chess should be played without queens, and if a player gets checkmated within the first 20 moves, the game is automatically restarted. Really, that's what some people in this thread seem to think. | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On September 20 2010 21:49 Erucious wrote: Kinda wondering how i was warned by a mod for a spoiler a couple of days ago in the Day 3 thread for talking about someone winning/losing, when the last 40 pages here are spoilers.. OT: It was a great set of games - Players do what they need to do to win. Do the unexpected You didn't get warned in a live report thread, here is the post you were warned for..... On September 20 2010 21:51 exitusnow wrote: ya im still trying to figure out why i was banned from TL IRC just b.c i predicted TLO losing in the ro32. when lurking and in the past i always herd issues of mods and power hungry abuse but never really thought much of it till now.  IRC != site, there are plenty of ops on IRC who are not mods on the site. Also a chat moves much quicker, can't really be compared to the forum, bans are usually pretty short on IRC as well. No need to go about on some supposed "power hungry abuse" bullshit, not to mention this has nothing to do with this thread. If you have a problem with being banned on IRC take it to the feedback forum. | ||
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Mellois
United States56 Posts
On September 20 2010 21:52 kojinshugi wrote: Okay, cool, then I don't. Cheese is bad for the game as a spectator sport. It's the equivalent of distracting the referee while you deal a low blow. Note that there's a difference between not respecting a player (I think Hyperdub is a great player) and not respecting a game he played. I don't put anyone on a pedestal, nor do I demonize anyone. If you play entertaining games and have talent, cool. If you go for the zero skill cheap trick, I'm not going to offer some sort of feigned props to games well played, because the deciding game was decidedly not so. Cheese is bad for the game as a spectator sport? I'm pretty sure Boxer who basically made BW a spectator sport cheesed quite a few times which made for very entertaining games... | ||
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