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Rampager
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia1007 Posts
September 20 2010 12:50 GMT
#2721
ITT A lot of people who when they calm down will look back on this and give Hyperdub the credit he deserves. He played incredibly solid, he made the mistake of A-Moving into a Terran Siege line when one gets impatient sitting there with a huge army in game 1, came back from a crushing defeat took game 2 convincingly and finished it up knowing that the past two games TLO did the same strat both times leaving him exposed in the early game to cheese.

Well read, tbh I can't wait for Hyperdub vs. Tester, they are both calm and patient players so it'll be amazing to watch.

TLO Cya next GSL.
Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
September 20 2010 12:51 GMT
#2722
On September 20 2010 21:49 Censured wrote:
I really dont get people who say: hyperdub cheesed = no credit for him? Didn't you guys watch OSL finals between Flash and Jaedong? It was freakin cheese fest, and still these two guys are most beloved progamers ever...


I don't think most people in this thread know that a BW forum even exists.
InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3474 Posts
September 20 2010 12:51 GMT
#2723
On September 20 2010 21:48 Wolfpox wrote:
There's nothing wrong with bitching about cheese. It's lame, not entertaining, and even the player himself said he was ashamed of it.

Trying to seem unbiased and neutral is pretentious in this case. Just be honest, it was terrible and lame.


yes it is. because this is a live report thread not a "I whine because my favorite player got cheesed" thread. Noone wants to read it, just keep it to yourself and live with it.
"I just pressed stimpack, and somehow I won the battle" -Flash
hydraden
Profile Joined April 2010
United States719 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 12:53:50
September 20 2010 12:51 GMT
#2724
I guess most of BW dudes won't complain too much about the 2 rax rush,
since it is too common in BW, it is part of game that you prepare for cheeses.

And this is always what Euro/American players lack back in the days of BW.
Too stiff and predictable. Cheese is much harder to defend in BW.
mangoloid
Profile Joined September 2010
100 Posts
September 20 2010 12:51 GMT
#2725

Bummed that TLO lost to cheese. Also bummed that no foreigners are left in GSL (but I still some Koreans to root for).

Also bummed by the haters on both sides of this thread. Both TLO and Hyperdub played well at times, made mistakes at others. Anyone who plays TvT knows that TLO's fast Thor build puts him at a slight disadvantage to the standard fast tank build, and I think the discrepancy in the first two games can be attributed to TLO's build weakness as opposed to straight up Hyperdub "outplaying" TLO.

Hyperdub is a great player, but it is hard to be polite to a guy who cheeses and trusts his fate to luck rather than skill. But one should not expect class and sportsmanship from kids playing video games.

Finally: seriously TLO, scout close positions first.
accela
Profile Joined February 2010
Greece314 Posts
September 20 2010 12:51 GMT
#2726
As always, blame the game not the player

Even at the first game hyperdub had almost always the upper hand and it was his fault for giving more and more chances to TLO to come back, a more solid player would have crashed him very early IMHO.

Also cheese is nothing new and ofc TLO has seen it many times on ladder or, even better, at OGS house, if not then coaches doing something wrong.
exitusnow
Profile Joined August 2010
28 Posts
September 20 2010 12:51 GMT
#2727
On September 20 2010 21:49 Erucious wrote:
Kinda wondering how i was warned by a mod for a spoiler a couple of days ago in the Day 3 thread for talking about someone winning/losing, when the last 40 pages here are spoilers..

OT:
It was a great set of games - Players do what they need to do to win. Do the unexpected

ya im still trying to figure out why i was banned from TL IRC just b.c i predicted TLO losing in the ro32. when lurking and in the past i always herd issues of mods and power hungry abuse but never really thought much of it till now.
Ation
Profile Joined July 2008
Finland102 Posts
September 20 2010 12:51 GMT
#2728
FANTASTIC DAY OF GAMES ;0 - TOTALLY PUMPED TO SEE MORE

Even in the first matchup I was smashing my fist onto the table and shouting stuff like "F''' YEAH Korean 4-warp rush!" when I was attempting to predict the play. Then the "finals" with TLO just intensified the atmosphere even more. Also, I really love the Artosis+Tasteless caster couple. Occasionally, they miss some things but they got so awesome stuff going on that it doesn't matter.

No huge "foreigner history" was made this GSL, but gotta say... well played sir(s)!
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
September 20 2010 12:51 GMT
#2729
I think and hope Tester will beat Hyperdub, not mainly because he beat TLO but because Tester is my favorite protoss and we really dont need more terrans in the GSL
Censured
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1061 Posts
September 20 2010 12:52 GMT
#2730
On September 20 2010 21:51 Angra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2010 21:49 Censured wrote:
I really dont get people who say: hyperdub cheesed = no credit for him? Didn't you guys watch OSL finals between Flash and Jaedong? It was freakin cheese fest, and still these two guys are most beloved progamers ever...


I don't think most people in this thread know that a BW forum even exists.

Ya, that's kinda.... sad
Occupation: Legend
TBO
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1350 Posts
September 20 2010 12:52 GMT
#2731
All those hating on Hyperdub should be ashamed of being a TLO fan - he wouldn't like that. Hyperdub made a risky decision which paid of.

Those who are saying TLO got outplayed should ask themselves why Hyperdub, considering he should think then he is the better player, would decide to play such a risky build in the last game though.
Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
September 20 2010 12:52 GMT
#2732
it sucks that TLO lost to cheese but Hyperdub's openings were way stronger and TLO made a few mistakes in the 2nd game
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
September 20 2010 12:52 GMT
#2733
On September 20 2010 21:51 Pulimuli wrote:
I think and hope Tester will beat Hyperdub, not mainly because he beat TLO but because Tester is my favorite protoss and we really dont need more terrans in the GSL

Those might turn into some interesting games. Hyperdub proved he's a solid player (despite what haters might be saying), I wonder if he'll put up a good fight.
dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
September 20 2010 12:52 GMT
#2734
On September 20 2010 21:51 Angra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2010 21:49 Censured wrote:
I really dont get people who say: hyperdub cheesed = no credit for him? Didn't you guys watch OSL finals between Flash and Jaedong? It was freakin cheese fest, and still these two guys are most beloved progamers ever...


I don't think most people in this thread know that a BW forum even exists.


What is this BW you are referring to? And what does it have to do with Starcraft 2?
You should not have to pay to watch the GSL, Proleague, or OSL at a reasonable time. That is not "fine" and it's BS to say otherwise. My sig since 2011. http://www.youtube.com/user/dabom88
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
September 20 2010 12:52 GMT
#2735
On September 20 2010 21:43 Angra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2010 21:41 kojinshugi wrote:
On September 20 2010 21:38 Angra wrote:
I haven't read any of this thread but I'm assuming the last 5-6 pages have been people raging about TLO losing and trash-talking Hyperdub and being incredibly disrespectful towards him. Shit like that really needs to stop. It gives this website a horrible image. Please, have some sense, and some respect.

Yeah I wanted TLO to advance but Hyperdub deserved the win. There's no other way about it. Congrats to Hyperdub and I hope he puts up a good fight against Tester next round. Better luck to TLO next time.


I don't respect cheese. I don't think he deserved the win for a retarded coin toss. It's a cheap way to win and it cheapens the game. It's the type of unsportsmanlike garbage you see with the constant faux "injuries" in soccer. It's bad for the sport.


You don't respect every single professional Brood War player in existence then, including Boxer. They all cheesed at some point or another. It's a valid option to win games. Get used to it.


Okay, cool, then I don't. Cheese is bad for the game as a spectator sport. It's the equivalent of distracting the referee while you deal a low blow.

Note that there's a difference between not respecting a player (I think Hyperdub is a great player) and not respecting a game he played.

I don't put anyone on a pedestal, nor do I demonize anyone. If you play entertaining games and have talent, cool. If you go for the zero skill cheap trick, I'm not going to offer some sort of feigned props to games well played, because the deciding game was decidedly not so.
whatsgrackalackin420
LoCaD
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1634 Posts
September 20 2010 12:52 GMT
#2736
well I am dissapointed by the "cheese" too but I kind of Understand Hyperdub with so much money on the line in this huge Tournement and going 1:1 against TLO you do not want an extended 3rd Game still I say downright forbid these Cheesebuilds in so called "professionel Gameplay". It just hurts E-Sports.
I give up, I just don't know what to write here.
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6184 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 12:54:04
September 20 2010 12:53 GMT
#2737
On September 20 2010 21:47 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2010 21:43 scottyyy wrote:
On September 20 2010 21:41 gozima wrote:
I really don't understand all the TLO love. He's quite literally won no tournaments in beta or post release.

People throw around the word "creative" way too much when referring to him too.

When other people do unorthodox builds, they're instantly labeled noob, but when TLO does it he's some sort of genius.

Hyperdub outplayed him in game 1 and dominated him in game 2. If it wasn't for one mistake in game 1, hyperdub would have won 2-0.


Really now? Are you serious or trolling?

* 2nd place, TeamLiquid SC2 Invitational 1
* 1st place, Go4SC2 ESL Cup #7
* 1st place, Go4SC2 ESL Cup #11
* 1st place, Zotac Cup #12
* 2nd place, PLU.cn Kaspersky Cup
* 4th place, Altitude TL Invitational
* 4th place, HDH Invitational

That's pretty fucking impressive.

LOL@ fourth place in Altitude. You should go check out more info about the tournament


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Altitude_TL_Invitational

4 tournement player fourth place
n_n
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
September 20 2010 12:53 GMT
#2738
On September 20 2010 21:36 Thunderfist wrote:
Show nested quote +
So yeah, there goes my last reason to watch this tournament, apart from tester, I'm just not emotionally invested in any of the players that much.


This, Tester is the only one worth watching now.

And cool ? And check ? And rainbow ? And hyperdub ?
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
September 20 2010 12:53 GMT
#2739
On September 20 2010 21:41 gozima wrote:
I really don't understand all the TLO love. He's quite literally won no tournaments in beta or post release.

People throw around the word "creative" way too much when referring to him too.

When other people do unorthodox builds, they're instantly labeled noob, but when TLO does it he's some sort of genius.

Hyperdub outplayed him in game 1 and dominated him in game 2. If it wasn't for one mistake in game 1, hyperdub would have won 2-0.


He´s like Nal_Ra or Boxer, always trying new and creative things. If Huk did an unorthodox build people wouldn´t call him a noob, if any known good player does a weird build he doesnt get called a noob, since you can most of the times see the intent of the build, what its meant to do and achieve. While someone not as great tries a weird build and completely fails, you often dont see the intent or purpose, or just notice that its plain thought out wrong/executed.

TLO is very creative, there is no denying it.
Grond
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
599 Posts
September 20 2010 12:53 GMT
#2740
I didn't think it was that fun to watch. After Xel'naga i was expecting a truly epic game on Metalopolis. Even if TLO won it would have been disappointing.
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