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Oh wow! Well, I wonder if we should wait on playing games that count until after the patch, such that first week games wont be imbalanced in comparison to other weeks? Just a thought... Well, Okay. I'm making the executive decision, only practice games are allowed before tuesday patch day, regular games will commence once the maintainance period is over.
As for Karliath's opinions about Debris Field, I don't agree that zerg is underpowered, they have queens,infestors, and hydras and spore colonies, terran has rines, thors, ghosts and turrets (well, maybe the raven too...), Toss has stalkers, sentries, templar, cannons. Air, zerg has mutas AND corrupters as soon as the spire goes up (this isn't broodwar). And of course, later the broodlord will be nigh unstopable. terran has viking banshe battlecruiser, bleh zerg can handle those. Toss has void ray, phoenix, carrier (maaybe mothership, but meh). corrupters beat phoenix, mutas beat voidrays,corrupters are okay against carriers, but I have recently triedmicroing my air on the fringes to pick off the interceptors, and then focus down the carriers, and it seems to work out in my favor. Terran, corrupters beat battlecruisers, especially with contaminate, and mutas rape vikings. banshees,well theyre just a weak version of the broodlord except with a cloak ability, and susceptible to air. I'm not afraid as Zerg of an islands map, but if you guys think thisis too imba,i understand and I'll take it out. But when you say zerg has to get nydus and drops to expand, well toss has to get warp prisms to expand.
Although, a thought just occured, terran can make an in-base cc and expand rather early, and they have mules to maximize their profits... Perhaps THAT is the true imbalance for an islands map, but i'm not too scared of terran air, to be honest... But anywho, I'll be happy to remove it, I just wanted to say my piece about Zerg, and how I refuse to think terran is OP. 
If anything toss is OP early on, but it seems their warpgates are getting hit with the nerf bat, 23sec CD now 28sec. All the more reason an islands map might balance zvp a little. But terran, meh, I ain't skeered...
But anywho, for now I'll table the idea of debris field, and we can stick with just crossfire added. Do we want any more Blizz 1v1s that arent ladder, such as agria fields or something? I saw it in the create a game selections, but never played on it. And yeah, I checked out the maps on ICCup, heres a thread with some links and I believe the ones we'd be interested in are the ones under the 2player heading:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=139560
I do miss Incineration Zone from the beta, I wouldnt mind adding that awesome map (Zerg homeworld of Char... Makes you feel a swarm and fuzzy. :p)
It's whatever guys, if we want to get some candidate maps before Tuesday, we can get a poll going and if we get, what, 3/4th's approval? Then I'll put them in. I do wonder though about the mineral count on the ICCup maps, it looks like some might have the number of minerals changed, though it may just be an optical illusion, my eyes going blind, etc. Too many journal article pdf files in grad school are gonna be the end of vision for me...
Well, thanks for the feedback guys, keep it coming. In the meantime, lets postpone till after the patch. I'll Update the above original post.
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I like the island map, I don't really know how to play island maps, but I'm sure it will be a fun and unique experience for me. I also like the other map, it looks very big, and very much a tough map to micro on.
I will post my profile soon.
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On September 18 2010 10:15 flowandebb wrote:
Am I allowed to play Terran against 'toss and Zerg against everyone else?
lol no playing rock paper sissors. You must pick your tool, and stick with it.
(Random intrusive thought: If toss terran and zerg were to be rock paper and siccors, which would they be, and why? lol jk, that's like a whole entirely different thread... )
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Alright I guess I will write up this info thing :D
My name is Derek Smith. I am a 17 year old senior in High School in New York, and I have been gaming forever. Growing up it was the usual games and what not. Then I got big into CS:S and fps games on the ps3, at the same time I was playing WoW pretty hardcore.
That is how I found out about SC2 from playing WoW and saw everyone making a big huff about it. After looking into it I thought that this is a game I want to play, I mean I played some RTS games before WC3/Empire Earth, but that wasn't competitive so I didn't really play I just role played as a general heh. I got the game and jumped into 1v1 and now I am trying to learn more about the game and increase my skill(I know a lot about it, I just can't always get it in the game I shake a lot when I play from all my time on CS I think ha)
I look forward to playing with all of you in the league hopefully we all learn a few things!
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On September 18 2010 10:49 PointyBagels wrote:
I like the island map, I don't really know how to play island maps, but I'm sure it will be a fun and unique experience for me. I also like the other map, it looks very big, and very much a tough map to micro on.
I will post my profile soon.
Well, although I'm with ya PB, Karliath's not the first to dislike island maps, and I understand the community has mixed feelings about a limiting map... I want this to be enjoyable, and if everyone's not happy with the map pool, then we need to work together to reach an agreement. Tell ya what, I'll play ya in a custom game at some point on that map just for kicks
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And now that I read some more of the thread. I don't really like the idea of Scrap Station and Desert oasis are the final first maps, but that might just be cause I hate them with a small passion hah.
And on island maps I am kind of mixed on them I mean I would play them and make the best of them;however, I feel that they might be a little imbalanced but take that with a grain of salt.
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On September 18 2010 10:58 Fluffy1 wrote:
And now that I read some more of the thread. I don't really like the idea of Scrap Station and Desert oasis are the final first maps, but that might just be cause I hate them with a small passion hah.
And on island maps I am kind of mixed on them I mean I would play them and make the best of them;however, I feel that they might be a little imbalanced but take that with a grain of salt.
Okay, so several peeps seem to be upset about the finals as well. What maps should they be then? And I'm not focusing this at Fluffy, but all of you who aren't happy with it.
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i think we should just stick with ladder maps because everyone knows them and they are balanced and since desert oasis is getting changed next patch i think it will be alright to keep it in but i do think we should vote on finals maps
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On September 18 2010 11:02 DuncanIdaho wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2010 10:58 Fluffy1 wrote:
And now that I read some more of the thread. I don't really like the idea of Scrap Station and Desert oasis are the final first maps, but that might just be cause I hate them with a small passion hah.
And on island maps I am kind of mixed on them I mean I would play them and make the best of them;however, I feel that they might be a little imbalanced but take that with a grain of salt. Okay, so several peeps seem to be upset about the finals as well. What maps should they be then? And I'm not focusing this at Fluffy, but all of you who aren't happy with it.
I'm not really unhappy with them I am just happy that you have done so much for this and everything the maps are kinda of what ever for me, just was saying my selfish opinions.
I think Lost Temple, Xel Naga Caverns, and Metalopolis for the finals but again I am fine with what ever.
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On September 18 2010 10:45 DuncanIdaho wrote:Although, a thought just occured, terran can make an in-base cc and expand rather early, and they have mules to maximize their profits... Perhaps THAT is the true imbalance for an islands map, but i'm not too scared of terran air, to be honest... But anywho, I'll be happy to remove it, I just wanted to say my piece about Zerg, and how I refuse to think terran is OP. If anything toss is OP early on, but it seems their warpgates are getting hit with the nerf bat, 23sec CD now 28sec. All the more reason an islands map might balance zvp a little. But terran, meh, I ain't skeered...
This is what I was thinking about how Terran is set on island maps, but I think it should be fine. I mean, if you get early pheonixes or mutas, you should be able to kill that CC before it can get to its expansion area. Also, that Warpgate nerf is only for the cooldown of the zealot, there's a different cooldown period for each unit.
On September 18 2010 11:02 DuncanIdaho wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2010 10:58 Fluffy1 wrote:
And now that I read some more of the thread. I don't really like the idea of Scrap Station and Desert oasis are the final first maps, but that might just be cause I hate them with a small passion hah.
And on island maps I am kind of mixed on them I mean I would play them and make the best of them;however, I feel that they might be a little imbalanced but take that with a grain of salt. Okay, so several peeps seem to be upset about the finals as well. What maps should they be then? And I'm not focusing this at Fluffy, but all of you who aren't happy with it.
I believe that the two finalists should either decide together or play Rock, Paper, Scissors to decide who picks the map for the finals, or maybe the person with the best record would choose it, kind of like of in the NBA, the finals is played at home for the team with the best seating.
Also, gonna be adding adsense and a few bios to the website now, should be up soon.
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On September 18 2010 11:12 Fluffy1 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2010 11:02 DuncanIdaho wrote:On September 18 2010 10:58 Fluffy1 wrote:
And now that I read some more of the thread. I don't really like the idea of Scrap Station and Desert oasis are the final first maps, but that might just be cause I hate them with a small passion hah.
And on island maps I am kind of mixed on them I mean I would play them and make the best of them;however, I feel that they might be a little imbalanced but take that with a grain of salt. Okay, so several peeps seem to be upset about the finals as well. What maps should they be then? And I'm not focusing this at Fluffy, but all of you who aren't happy with it. I'm not really unhappy with them I am just happy that you have done so much for this and everything the maps are kinda of what ever for me, just was saying my selfish opinions. I think Lost Temple, Xel Naga Caverns, and Metalopolis for the finals but again I am fine with what ever.
I agree with these maps.
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Also, I'm having trouble getting adsense up cause you need to be 18 and have an address and credit card. So if anyone wants to volounteer to be the prize pool, I can PM them the gmail account info, and then they can sign up for adsense, and I can do the rest.
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On September 18 2010 10:54 Fluffy1 wrote:
Alright I guess I will write up this info thing :D
My name is Derek Smith. I am a 17 year old senior in High School in New York, and I have been gaming forever. Growing up it was the usual games and what not. Then I got big into CS:S and fps games on the ps3, at the same time I was playing WoW pretty hardcore.
That is how I found out about SC2 from playing WoW and saw everyone making a big huff about it. After looking into it I thought that this is a game I want to play, I mean I played some RTS games before WC3/Empire Earth, but that wasn't competitive so I didn't really play I just role played as a general heh. I got the game and jumped into 1v1 and now I am trying to learn more about the game and increase my skill(I know a lot about it, I just can't always get it in the game I shake a lot when I play from all my time on CS I think ha)
I look forward to playing with all of you in the league hopefully we all learn a few things!
We just need a pic, is that possible?
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You know, I kinda like L1f3/Hybrid's idea of letting the best player pick first map, but then that might be too OP. Okay, so for the finals, lets take a vote. top 3 maps I say get in (if the same map wins multiple categories, I'll go the the one with the next highest votes or something:
And if you're not in the lineup, please don't vote and throw this off... Though I don't really know of a way to police this, so please, observers, be respectful:
1st favorite map:
Poll: Map 1Metalopolis (6) 60% Blistering Sands (1) 10% Lost Temple (1) 10% Scrap Station (1) 10% Crossfire (1) 10% Desert Oasis (0) 0% Incineration Zone (0) 0% Xel'Naga Caverns (0) 0% Kulas Ravine (0) 0% Delta Quadrant (0) 0% Steppes of War (0) 0% 10 total votes Your vote: Map 1 (Vote): Blistering Sands
(Vote): Lost Temple
(Vote): Desert Oasis
(Vote): Incineration Zone
(Vote): Xel'Naga Caverns
(Vote): Scrap Station
(Vote): Metalopolis
(Vote): Crossfire
(Vote): Kulas Ravine
(Vote): Delta Quadrant
(Vote): Steppes of War
2nd favorite map:
Poll: 2nd favorite map for finals...Lost Temple (5) 56% Incineration Zone (1) 11% Blistering Sands (1) 11% Scrap Station (1) 11% Xel'Naga Caverns (1) 11% Crossfire (0) 0% Delta Quadrant (0) 0% Metalopolis (0) 0% Kulas Ravine (0) 0% Desert Oasis (0) 0% Steppes of War (0) 0% 9 total votes Your vote: 2nd favorite map for finals... (Vote): Crossfire
(Vote): Delta Quadrant
(Vote): Incineration Zone
(Vote): Blistering Sands
(Vote): Metalopolis
(Vote): Kulas Ravine
(Vote): Desert Oasis
(Vote): Steppes of War
(Vote): Scrap Station
(Vote): Lost Temple
(Vote): Xel'Naga Caverns
3rd favorite map:
Poll: your 3rd choice map for entry into the finalsSteppes of War (4) 40% Xel'Naga Caverns (2) 20% Blistering Sands (2) 20% Crossfire (1) 10% Scorched Station (1) 10% Delta Quadrant (0) 0% Incineration Zone (0) 0% Kulas Ravine (0) 0% Metalopolis (0) 0% Desert Oasis (0) 0% Lost Temple (0) 0% 10 total votes Your vote: your 3rd choice map for entry into the finals (Vote): Delta Quadrant
(Vote): Crossfire
(Vote): Incineration Zone
(Vote): Kulas Ravine
(Vote): Metalopolis
(Vote): Desert Oasis
(Vote): Scorched Station
(Vote): Lost Temple
(Vote): Steppes of War
(Vote): Xel'Naga Caverns
(Vote): Blistering Sands
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On September 18 2010 11:23 L1F3 wrote:
Also, I'm having trouble getting adsense up cause you need to be 18 and have an address and credit card. So if anyone wants to volounteer to be the prize pool, I can PM them the gmail account info, and then they can sign up for adsense, and I can do the rest.
Are your parents unwilling to do this? If not, I guess I can, though I hate handling money
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On September 18 2010 11:46 DuncanIdaho wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2010 11:23 L1F3 wrote:
Also, I'm having trouble getting adsense up cause you need to be 18 and have an address and credit card. So if anyone wants to volounteer to be the prize pool, I can PM them the gmail account info, and then they can sign up for adsense, and I can do the rest. Are your parents unwilling to do this? If not, I guess I can, though I hate handling money
My parents don't know I'm even doing this. They also don't know I play late at night to avoid the time restrictions they put on me.
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Wait so map 1 is for the finals, map 2 is for the semifinals, and map 3 is for the quarterfinals? Or is it the other way around?
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On September 18 2010 11:51 Karliath wrote:
Wait so map 1 is for the finals, map 2 is for the semifinals, and map 3 is for the quarterfinals? Or is it the other way around?
No no, just your three fave maps you want in the finals. Most fave, 2nd most fave, and 3rd most fave. We'll decide the order later. Had I been able to design the question appropriately, I would say, rank 3 of these maps, 1 2 and 3. However, since I can't (damn forums being made by computer scientists and not consulting statisticians for appropriate question formats first) , I'll have to go upon this silly multiple question format. The way I analyze this data may get strange, but in any case, don't assume that since your map isn't winning in a particular category, that this means it wont be seen. Essentially, the maps will get points based upon rank. 3 points if 1st choice, 2 points if second, 1 point if third. Furthermore, the order maps are displayed in should be randomized for each individual, as I did not tell TL.net to lock the order i typed the response sets in.
This is how you score a rank order question, essentially.
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lol, I think it will be hilarious after 4-5 weeks when everybody is diamond and it'll have to be renamed the risen leaague
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