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koppik
United States676 Posts
Anyhow, it's sad that IdrA lost (at least it wasn't to a Terran, thank god). We still have TLO, but he is sort of in a group of death, needing to beat Tester and then probably either Check or RainBOw to get out. IdrA still has really two more shots to qualify for "Code S" anyhow. With getting to the Ro32, he's probably going to be Code A at least. | ||
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jamvng
Canada244 Posts
On September 15 2010 23:41 teamsolid wrote: The obs didn't show the expo going down, but if you looked at minimap, Z killed it before taking out the 4 raxes. Don't talk when you have like gold-level map awareness while watching the game. Wait, so Terran going down to close to ZERO units is only losing a minor battle? Losing 6 production buildings and a gold expo is a tiny loss right? Cognitive dissonance much? Let's see... mistakes by the Terran: -Building 4 raxes out in the middle of nowhere. -Taking an expo so far out in the map and not turning it into a planetary -Attacking with purely marines/medivacs when he knows Z has banelings, which led to him losing the gold -Having 2 thors by themselves with no marine or turret support so they get sniped by mutas -Throwing away medivacs full of marines by dropping Z main without doing much damage (each one is 500/100) All of these would be critical mistakes if they came from the Z side. But oh he's a T, so they're only minor mistakes. The only mistake that Zerg really made was not making banelings for the marines. However, he must've thought that after taking down FOUR raxes, Maka would be switching over to mostly mech. Now if Maka went pure mech and he went banelings instead of roach, Z would be toast. So it was a tricky decision for Z to make and he made the wrong one and lost the game. Engaging the army was a mistake, but even if he did not engage it, Terran was already closing in on the Z's gold base. After sniping all of the drones at Z's natural, if he then lost the gold expo, Z would basically be dead due to crippled economy (1 base of drones vs 2 saturated T). No comment. I do agree that the IdrA games didn't exactly show imbalance, but not many people think ZvP is that imba anyways.. The only thing it shows is that IdrA fell for mindgames and failed to scout a key hidden expo. I think Maka's economy was just better. He had a gold for a really long time. And then those marine drops killed the zerg's economy. Maka was way ahead in workers. | ||
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mishimaBeef
Canada2259 Posts
On September 16 2010 00:43 Klive5ive wrote: No, but he is right. There's this huge elephant in the room that ruins the fun. I was playing the BroodWar1.5 custom map today.... it's so much better than actual SC2 it's painful. Most of us could see the mistakes that Blizz were making designing this game, it was ok for a while but they're beginning to destroy the competitive integrity of the game. Patches can only cover up the design mistakes for a while. Needless to say the expansions can't come soon enough. On what basis are you making these claims about destroyed competitive integrity sir? | ||
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maliceee
United States634 Posts
separate teams were giving each other replays and strats. that is not why teams exist genius. | ||
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Miller
United States77 Posts
On September 16 2010 00:03 Nu11 wrote: I'm really surprised you all still accept SC2 as a competitive game. The integrity of this game is basically zero. It's not balanced at all and it's totally unfair if you don't play terran. User was warned for this post why would he be warned for this post. He's right this game isnt even close to balanced. TL admins are really pathetic. | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
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Donner
Germany91 Posts
On September 15 2010 19:02 Sqq wrote: Feels like IdrA is more hype than actual results. He needs to start producing results to live up to his hype, this is fucking ridiculous. you should be at least warned for trolling. and for your sig. | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
On September 16 2010 01:14 Miller wrote: why would he be warned for this post. He's right this game isnt even close to balanced. TL admins are really pathetic. You are wrong, the game is EXTREMELLY balanced at a pro level from what im seeing at the OSL, the builds are just so young that it looks imbalanced sometimes, but really what we see most of the time is BO wins, bad micro, bad decision making, and people complaining that some strategies cant be overcame just be playing that solid C- game. | ||
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awesomoecalypse
United States2235 Posts
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nextstep
Canada705 Posts
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awesomoecalypse
United States2235 Posts
but PvZ? Idra in NO WAY outplayed his opponent. i mean, he played well, but his scouting sucked and he paid for it, as well he should. if your opponent sneaks in a risky expo and you don't spot it or punish them for it, and you're otherwise pretty equal, you're gonna lose. That's not "imbalance", its just being outplayed. Idra plays passively as hell, and he doesn't scout that well. That is just *asking* to get cheesed or to have stuff like sneaky expos built when you aren't looking. I mean, you can play a passive, reactive, macro style, provided you scout well enough to be sure you know exactly what your opponent is doing. or you can maybe neglect scouting a bit (though you still shouldn't) if you're being aggressive enough to dictate the flow of the match. but if you combine passivity with bad scouting, you will lose against any good player. | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
On September 16 2010 01:32 awesomoecalypse wrote: also, I can see whining about imba in TvZ... but PvZ? Idra in NO WAY outplayed his opponent. i mean, he played well, but his scouting sucked and he paid for it, as well he should. if your opponent sneaks in a risky expo and you don't spot it or punish them for it, and you're otherwise pretty equal, you're gonna lose. That's not "imbalance", its just being outplayed. Zerg has to scout early and counter everything. Protoss and terran just have to decide what build they want to use before the match? =/ | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
On September 16 2010 01:37 Fa1nT wrote: Zerg has to scout early and counter everything. Protoss and terran just have to decide what build they want to use before the match? =/ I think if IdrA sacked his gold and actually killed his hidden base, he would be in a great position to just macro his way to the win. | ||
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Mascherano
Argentina1726 Posts
On September 15 2010 23:58 Dionyseus wrote: Game 3 Lotze simply just outplayed Idra. I cannot believe Idra did not know that Lotze expoed at the bottom, that was ridiculously bad by Idra, If I were his friend I'd advice him not to watch the replay. Also Idra allowed Lotze to expo at the top, he could've sent some lings to stop that expo. Idra also lost an overseer with 4 hyras. Idra did send lings to the top expo which forced a cancel by Lotze, he also started his 3rd expo(4th base) at this time. Later Lotze starts harassing Idras gold with the Collossi and Lotze rebuilds the top expo, all under the sight of an overlord. I'm guessing Idra thought he had such a lead that by defending this push (which I guess he thought was an all-in) he would win the game. Little did he know... -_- | ||
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awesomoecalypse
United States2235 Posts
Zerg has to scout early and counter everything. Protoss and terran just have to decide what build they want to use before the match? =/ Sure, Zerg is more reactive, thats not the same as imbalance. Had Idra scouted that hidden base in time, I definitely think he could have won. And he won the first game, too. Mechanics are not all there is to skill. IdrA made some pretty big mistakes in his last 2 matches, and paid for it, as he should have. Simple as that. | ||
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RinconH
United States512 Posts
They limit toss/zerg openings considerably as Toss you have to get a fast cyber up and chronoboost a stalker and as Zerg you have to get ling speed or roach early. I think they will hinder the development of more interesting strats over time vs. T. | ||
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Garaman
United States556 Posts
On September 15 2010 18:32 sleepingdog wrote: this is what I like about IdrA - very mannered early gg not wasting time.....would love if more ppl on ladder did this since when was idra good mannered? hahahahahaha | ||
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st3roids
Greece538 Posts
On September 16 2010 01:44 awesomoecalypse wrote: Sure, Zerg is more reactive, thats not the same as imbalance. Had Idra scouted that hidden base in time, I definitely think he could have won. And he won the first game, too. Mechanics are not all there is to skill. IdrA made some pretty big mistakes in his last 2 matches, and paid for it, as he should have. Simple as that. Since its so well design and reactive pls tell us what are the t1 units , zerg has to counter vrays and banshees | ||
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