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Nightbiscuit
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden179 Posts
September 01 2010 18:03 GMT
#701
This is a ridiculously bad idea. Hopefully they will realize how stupid it really is.
Kerotan
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
England2111 Posts
September 01 2010 18:03 GMT
#702
On September 02 2010 02:59 djWHEAT wrote:
Are the GOM VOD's as atrocious as the live stream or are they generally higher quality? Does it use the same technology?


They are about the same quality in awfulness in my experience, and the stream is staggered, so watching as a community is difficult.
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shrinkmaster
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany947 Posts
September 01 2010 18:04 GMT
#703
One quick question before i'm going back to ROFL.

How long is a season? As far as i understand there will be a new GSL tourney every month, correct? Does that mean that i need to pay those ridiculous prices per month????

Or does this deal include the TG-intel Starcraft 2 league games, which will be held after the open tournaments? If this is correct, won't the first season be drastically shorter than following season because of qualification tournaments?

I would be soo glad if someone could tell me what exactly i can watch for how long if i should pay this.
Voltaire: The true triumph of reason is that it enables us to get along with those who do not possess it.
Jochan
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Poland1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 18:41:36
September 01 2010 18:04 GMT
#704
On September 02 2010 02:38 theqat wrote:
Has anyone found out how long a season is yet? $240 per year for live streams and $360 per year for VODs is totally unreasonable but $20 per year and $50 per year is a lot different.


That is the real question, most important thing is definition of season ticket vs cup season. We have at least 3 more gsl tournaments this year, if the vod is 30$ for all of them, then 10$ for 63 games, which is atleast 126 rounds (considering bo3 all the way), casted in English by Tasteless+Arthosis seems very resonable. For that amount of money i can live with glitches, long loading time etc.
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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
September 01 2010 18:04 GMT
#705
On September 02 2010 02:59 djWHEAT wrote:
Are the GOM VOD's as atrocious as the live stream or are they generally higher quality? Does it use the same technology?

VODs for Intel Classic were quality wise the same as the high quality stream minus the lag. the only bad thing about it was the loading times and the fact that they cut out too much, probably to save space since longer VODs meant more bandwitdh.
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Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 18:07:02
September 01 2010 18:05 GMT
#706
Charging for this is stupid. UFC didn't get big from PPV, it got big from free content(specifically, the Ultimate Fighter series combined with free events on SpikeTV). Any revenue they make from this is greatly outweighed by the lost potential revenue of not exposing your product to a much larger number of viewers.
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Dysius
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2 Posts
September 01 2010 18:06 GMT
#707
It's all a buisness right

Disgusting
JohnStorm
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada74 Posts
September 01 2010 18:07 GMT
#708
Whatever, they aren't going to get my dollars.
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djWHEAT
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States925 Posts
September 01 2010 18:08 GMT
#709
On September 02 2010 03:00 hypercube wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2010 02:40 djWHEAT wrote:
On September 02 2010 02:36 Kerotan wrote:
5. GOM's service is notoriously bad, stream is laggy and unstable, VODs are often broken, mislabelled and it took them 2.5 Classic seasons to work out that you should upload 3 files for a best of 3 VOD, so that the series isn't spoiled in game 1.


To me this is the best reason anyone can give for why this particular pricing model doesn't match the quality of the service you will receive. I can completely empathize with this.




Asking $25-$50/month for home entertainment is not a workable business model. Maybe if you have a great product that everyone knows is great. And I don't just mean great in the sense that it's professional and well produced. I mean great as in OMG I GOTTA SEE THIS!11. There's just so many substitutes both in entertainment in general and esports in particular that's cheaper and also high quality. Must be painful for guys like you who work very hard and would presumably like to see some returns at some point but it's just a very tough climate.

Especially esports where most of your potential customers have little disposable income. You can try to change attitudes but unless you have a plan to get rid of most forms of free entertainment you're stuck. That's why I think the correct model is to ask people who can afford to pay to pay (for some premium service but mostly to support the scene) and let others get the product free, especially since the marginal cost for additional viewers is close to 0.


I completely agree that you shouldn't overpay for a service that doesn't deliver.

However, I also look at alot of these things differently now than I did many years ago.

For example, I used to go, "OMG why would I pay 0.99$ for an iPhone app?" - Then I realized that I pay $1.99 for energy drinks which I enjoy for 30 minutes and then that's it. So I just stopped buying energy drinks and started buying iPhone apps and I get a ton of enjoyment out of it.

Also, I routinely purchase console games for $60... And then I spent 6 hours playing them. So when I see a potential product that could offer me more entertainment than the latest console title, I tend to be ok with that.
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
September 01 2010 18:09 GMT
#710
50$ per tournament?Are you fucking serious?A lot of people are saying that they won't pay but just think how many people can't even afford it....
NoobSkills
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1603 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 18:10:17
September 01 2010 18:10 GMT
#711
Assuming you get a VOD of every last match during the tournament.
The money vs the time entertained is well spent.
The only issue I have is past reputation and poor quality of live streams.
Rereading this if it is only 20 dollars it is probably well worth it to obtain the stream if there aren't issues like before.
Lyter
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2145 Posts
September 01 2010 18:10 GMT
#712
On September 02 2010 03:08 djWHEAT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2010 03:00 hypercube wrote:
On September 02 2010 02:40 djWHEAT wrote:
On September 02 2010 02:36 Kerotan wrote:
5. GOM's service is notoriously bad, stream is laggy and unstable, VODs are often broken, mislabelled and it took them 2.5 Classic seasons to work out that you should upload 3 files for a best of 3 VOD, so that the series isn't spoiled in game 1.


To me this is the best reason anyone can give for why this particular pricing model doesn't match the quality of the service you will receive. I can completely empathize with this.




Asking $25-$50/month for home entertainment is not a workable business model. Maybe if you have a great product that everyone knows is great. And I don't just mean great in the sense that it's professional and well produced. I mean great as in OMG I GOTTA SEE THIS!11. There's just so many substitutes both in entertainment in general and esports in particular that's cheaper and also high quality. Must be painful for guys like you who work very hard and would presumably like to see some returns at some point but it's just a very tough climate.

Especially esports where most of your potential customers have little disposable income. You can try to change attitudes but unless you have a plan to get rid of most forms of free entertainment you're stuck. That's why I think the correct model is to ask people who can afford to pay to pay (for some premium service but mostly to support the scene) and let others get the product free, especially since the marginal cost for additional viewers is close to 0.


I completely agree that you shouldn't overpay for a service that doesn't deliver.

However, I also look at alot of these things differently now than I did many years ago.

For example, I used to go, "OMG why would I pay 0.99$ for an iPhone app?" - Then I realized that I pay $1.99 for energy drinks which I enjoy for 30 minutes and then that's it. So I just stopped buying energy drinks and started buying iPhone apps and I get a ton of enjoyment out of it.

Also, I routinely purchase console games for $60... And then I spent 6 hours playing them. So when I see a potential product that could offer me more entertainment than the latest console title, I tend to be ok with that.


Thats why I don't buy console tites anymore, they aren't worth the price tag on the front anymore
SoLaR[i.C]
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
United States2969 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 18:10:50
September 01 2010 18:10 GMT
#713
djWHEAT, speaking the truth.

The problem is that it's on the internet. People expect handouts for everything on the internet.
Alphaes
Profile Joined April 2010
United States651 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 18:11:11
September 01 2010 18:10 GMT
#714
hey guys I am not supposed to say this officially but this is my opinion.
the price does seem unfair and the quality may not be worth it.
but hosting a server in US and provinding english commentary/subtitles cannot be done free.


Now that I've reread that statement, I wondering how much they are investing on setting us these US servers. Would this result in better quality videos? I imagine it'll make accessing the VODs easier, but will they be able to support a steady livestream as well? Not that familiar with the technology, but would tunneling all the streamed data from the korean servers to their dedicated servers (not sure how much time delay will be introduced), then to viewers, be better than just the viewers directly accessing the stream from Korean servers?
What this
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
September 01 2010 18:10 GMT
#715
On September 02 2010 03:02 djWHEAT wrote:
Well since I have opened my mouth. I will gladly pay the cost for the entire season and "review" it on Weapon of Choice if it sucks, well then I wasted money and you didn't have to.


Wheat... come to europe and watch the season from here and review it ;D

Some people in europe are lucky and can watch it. But a vast majority has a lagfest and 4h+ vod buffering
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
September 01 2010 18:10 GMT
#716
Oh well there goes my hype for Tasteless and SC2 tournament. Fail.
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0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
September 01 2010 18:12 GMT
#717
I would at least offer a reduced price on the low-quality VODs. $10-15?
theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
September 01 2010 18:13 GMT
#718
On September 02 2010 03:10 Alphaes wrote:
Show nested quote +
hey guys I am not supposed to say this officially but this is my opinion.
the price does seem unfair and the quality may not be worth it.
but hosting a server in US and provinding english commentary/subtitles cannot be done free.


Now that I've reread that statement, I wondering how much they are investing on setting us these US servers. Would this result in better quality videos? I imagine it'll make accessing the VODs easier, but will they be able to support a steady livestream as well? Not that familiar with the technology, but would tunneling all the streamed data from the korean servers to their dedicated servers (not sure how much time delay will be introduced), then to viewers, be better than just the viewers directly accessing the stream from Korean servers?


It won't make the video quality any better--they have to send it from Korea to the US server before it can go out to paying customers. But hopefully the connection from that US server to Korea is steady enough to get it to people in the US without stuttering/buffering.
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
September 01 2010 18:13 GMT
#719
No free LQ stream?

Cool I won't be buying the HQ stream then.

Just let it be known GOM that I wouldve bought the HQ stream if I had access to the LQ for free provided the quality of the LQ stream was consistent.

I am not buying a stream I have no assurance that works.
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maellestrom
Profile Joined April 2010
United States194 Posts
September 01 2010 18:15 GMT
#720
djWheat Keeping it real. I'll buy it. Its only 20 bucks. Probably beats most of the current streaming opportunities available in the next couple months.
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