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FuryX
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia495 Posts
August 21 2010 11:05 GMT
#1641
For Australians

15:10:00 Saturday August 21, 2010 in CET converts to
23:10:00 Saturday August 21, 2010 in Australia/Sydney
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
August 21 2010 11:06 GMT
#1642
On August 21 2010 20:04 swuSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 20:03 Megalisk wrote:
On August 21 2010 20:02 swuSC2 wrote:
On August 21 2010 19:56 Jameser wrote:
On August 21 2010 19:55 swuSC2 wrote:
The show-match itself being broadcast by Gamecom didn't violate any license agreement of Blizzard or KeSPA. Technically NaDa can play the show match if he wanted but his license in Korean esports license is controlled by KeSPA so KeSPA strong-armed NaDa to quit the show-match in order to retaliate vs Blizzard. This is a classic issue of reverse corporate strong arming, KeSPA being sore about Blizzard's licensing agreement,

this is why I always said it was a mistake from blizzard to make an enemy of KESPA, they should have made a greater effort to create a partnership, try to pull KESPA into the sc2 scene


I understand KeSPA being frustrating in having to pay royalties to Blizzard in order to broadcast and create a competitive scene after going for so many years with BW without such restrictions. But it makes sense in a corporate standpoint: if KeSPA is using a product to engage in a money making business, the creator of the game definitely should get royalties. Blizzard is bigger now than they were in BW and they have to exert that right as a company. KeSPA is just not willing to adapt and are sore about it.


You have a lot to learn young one.


How so its a pretty straight forward issue. Nice troll post.


If you want to engage in a discussion about this take it to one of the 234732047 threads we have about it already.
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
DreamOen
Profile Joined March 2010
Spain1400 Posts
August 21 2010 11:06 GMT
#1643
When the audience become in korea more interested about SCII than BW, KeSPA will have no chance to stay.
Tester | MC | Crank | Flash | Jaedong | MVP
Tritonus
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark125 Posts
August 21 2010 11:06 GMT
#1644
On August 21 2010 20:03 Megalisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 20:02 swuSC2 wrote:
On August 21 2010 19:56 Jameser wrote:
On August 21 2010 19:55 swuSC2 wrote:
The show-match itself being broadcast by Gamecom didn't violate any license agreement of Blizzard or KeSPA. Technically NaDa can play the show match if he wanted but his license in Korean esports license is controlled by KeSPA so KeSPA strong-armed NaDa to quit the show-match in order to retaliate vs Blizzard. This is a classic issue of reverse corporate strong arming, KeSPA being sore about Blizzard's licensing agreement,

this is why I always said it was a mistake from blizzard to make an enemy of KESPA, they should have made a greater effort to create a partnership, try to pull KESPA into the sc2 scene


I understand KeSPA being frustrating in having to pay royalties to Blizzard in order to broadcast and create a competitive scene after going for so many years with BW without such restrictions. But it makes sense in a corporate standpoint: if KeSPA is using a product to engage in a money making business, the creator of the game definitely should get royalties. Blizzard is bigger now than they were in BW and they have to exert that right as a company. KeSPA is just not willing to adapt and are sore about it.


You have a lot to learn young one.


Care to elaborate?
dbddbddb
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore969 Posts
August 21 2010 11:07 GMT
#1645
Why do koreans have to 'illegally' stream the game? Are they banned from watching the official IEM stream or even glhf.tv's stream?
Goshawk.
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United Kingdom5338 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 11:09:18
August 21 2010 11:08 GMT
#1646
On August 21 2010 20:07 dbddbddb wrote:
Why do koreans have to 'illegally' stream the game? Are they banned from watching the official IEM stream or even glhf.tv's stream?


?? Why would they be banned?

EDIT: Wait, I see you asking other users. I think point was that restreaming it can be considered illegal in any case, but watching it is fine.
t3tsubo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada682 Posts
August 21 2010 11:08 GMT
#1647
So to reiterate for everyone, Kespa is trying to prevent blizzard (all sc2 tournaments that they dont control) from recieveing the publicity and prestige of having one of their progamers (and one of their most famous ones to boot) playing and promoting their game. I would assume they are not happy with Nada playing at all, and the afreeca stream excuse was just them jumping at any opportunity to deny Nada playing.

This makes sense from a business standpoint, if steve wozniak still worked for apple, you wouldn't want him giving a live demo at a microsoft tradeshow about windows 7 if you were apple's CEO would you.

Sucks for us tho
Brad
Profile Joined April 2010
2754 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 11:09:33
August 21 2010 11:09 GMT
#1648
On August 21 2010 20:07 dbddbddb wrote:
Why do koreans have to 'illegally' stream the game? Are they banned from watching the official IEM stream or even glhf.tv's stream?


I think the Korean Government blocks a lot of websites, not sure.
Lee Jae Dong proved that a focus on mechanics and execution could solve problems in the StarCraft game strategy.
VTSwu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States40 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 11:11:04
August 21 2010 11:09 GMT
#1649
No they aren't banned from watching it. KeSPA is restricted from broadcasting it. They are just being sore about Blizzard and displaying it on a public scene. Its kind of childish, its basically telling a kid he can't eat candy so they refuse to eat anything at all.
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
August 21 2010 11:09 GMT
#1650
This Q3 match is so boring, all they're doing is farming armor and HP and ammo and no one is actually getting fragged, how can anyone find this fun?



GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51583 Posts
August 21 2010 11:09 GMT
#1651
On August 21 2010 20:07 dbddbddb wrote:
Why do koreans have to 'illegally' stream the game? Are they banned from watching the official IEM stream or even glhf.tv's stream?


no, but octoshape must blow complete balls for them. therefore its most logical to watch a restream from someone with a smooth stream.
Commentator
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
August 21 2010 11:09 GMT
#1652
On August 21 2010 20:02 forr4078 wrote:
I believe Idra's returned his KESPA license to focus on SC2. As far as I know no currently active KESPA progamer is allowed to play SC2 publically.

Idra played in a bw qualifier a couple of months ago after weeks/months of only playing SC2.
DwmC_Foefen
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Belgium2186 Posts
August 21 2010 11:09 GMT
#1653
So kespa basically wants to control the internet.

At least in korea :p

I don't see how the koreans just couldn't watch the ESL stream?
SolC361
Profile Joined July 2010
United States184 Posts
August 21 2010 11:10 GMT
#1654
On August 21 2010 20:09 Brad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 20:07 dbddbddb wrote:
Why do koreans have to 'illegally' stream the game? Are they banned from watching the official IEM stream or even glhf.tv's stream?


I think the Korean Government blocks a lot of websites, not sure.

No.
noproblem
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom161 Posts
August 21 2010 11:10 GMT
#1655
Such bm from KeSPA.

Says it all:

<a_flayer> nada 1, tlo 1, battle.net 2, kespa 1
<Psi> bnet and kespa wins
(╯°□°)╯︵ du
Bommes
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1226 Posts
August 21 2010 11:10 GMT
#1656
On August 21 2010 20:07 dbddbddb wrote:
Why do koreans have to 'illegally' stream the game? Are they banned from watching the official IEM stream or even glhf.tv's stream?


Don't think it was illegal considering law, but for the Kespa rules it's illegal.
dbddbddb
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore969 Posts
August 21 2010 11:11 GMT
#1657
On August 21 2010 20:08 Goshawk. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 20:07 dbddbddb wrote:
Why do koreans have to 'illegally' stream the game? Are they banned from watching the official IEM stream or even glhf.tv's stream?


?? Why would they be banned?

EDIT: Wait, I see you asking other users. I think point was that restreaming it can be considered illegal in any case, but watching it is fine.


Then why would that random guy in korea have to illegally stream the showmatch on his own stream if Koreans aren't blocked from IEM?
DreXxiN
Profile Joined July 2010
United States494 Posts
August 21 2010 11:11 GMT
#1658
I hope these VOD's will be released I have to sleep! Really want to see Semis!
Brad
Profile Joined April 2010
2754 Posts
August 21 2010 11:12 GMT
#1659
Already at 83 pages, lol. Real games haven't really started yet.
Lee Jae Dong proved that a focus on mechanics and execution could solve problems in the StarCraft game strategy.
Mato
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia412 Posts
August 21 2010 11:13 GMT
#1660
lol QL is awesome. the shots these guys hit are ridiculous.
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