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[IEM] Gamescom Day 4 + TLO vs NaDa! - Page 82

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TurboMaN
Profile Joined October 2005
Germany925 Posts
August 21 2010 11:00 GMT
#1621
On August 21 2010 19:56 ArvickHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 19:53 Goshawk. wrote:
On August 21 2010 19:51 diehilde wrote:
tbh this showmatch makes me doubtful of foreigners chances in korea. Maybe TLO did go easy on him, but if not things are looking bleak. If progamers switch over and practice for a cpl months I dont see foreigners stopping them. They have trained their mechanics and multitasking for a long, long time and reached a level that will not be reached by foreigners in quite some time imo.


2 games show nothing, also TLO was hardly gonna be playing full strength.

I like this excuse


Yeah me too.

Ten days of training for NaDa (maybe he even trained SC2 like a typical BW training day) and he is at the very least on the same skill level as one of the best non korean who is playing SC2 for living!
TLO plays SC2 since the very first beta release and there was no skill difference between both.


The Koreans will OWN in SC2 when they switch over to it.
It's just a matter of time.
warshop
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada490 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 11:00:57
August 21 2010 11:00 GMT
#1622
Aside the dramatic end, I thought this show match was very good. Shows how good mechanics can overcome greater knowledge of the game. Also, it's amazing to see how Nada learned from these. I doubt he would of went offensive if it wasn't for TLO.

Plus, Dennis 'Take' is great, he's a great commentator.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
August 21 2010 11:00 GMT
#1623
On August 21 2010 19:58 t3tsubo wrote:
Can Kespa do the same thing to Idra? And why would an afreeca stream be -illegal-?

And what time is the semifinals, they're playing quake right now.


I think IdrA is officially sc2 player now, but still in a pro team.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Groslouser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
France337 Posts
August 21 2010 11:01 GMT
#1624
Clearly, kespa are pro at PR.

They just showed to everyone how much they care about the public and fans.

Good job kespa and thanks for your support to us!
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 11:08:42
August 21 2010 11:01 GMT
#1625
On August 21 2010 19:51 JoshSuth wrote:
So for those keeping score at home, the showmatch results were as follows:

TLO - 1
NaDa - 1
Battle.net 2.0 - 2
KeSPA - Infinity
Correct result - should be in the OP. But still technically TLO>NaDa. (TLO had already very serious advantage in the third game) The match was harass vs macro. And in the 2nd game NaDa played Terran like IdrA plays Zerg - he got infinite amount of bases in almost no time. However there's the difference - in SC2 expanding the economy too much, is not only not advantageous (you can't saturate properly), but is also getting detrimental towards the late game. It was a close game, i would have loved if TLO managed to punish this mistake, because it was deserving to lose. In SC2 (for now) you have to be careful not to go too economy-heavy.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Bommes
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1226 Posts
August 21 2010 11:01 GMT
#1626
On August 21 2010 19:54 virgozero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 19:47 SONE wrote:
On August 21 2010 19:44 virgozero wrote:
Im LoLing at all those guys who were like OMG NADA IS A LEGEND HE IS BEYOND PRO HE IS GOD !!!

there was an instance i remember where nada had a tank qued up and the one being produced was barely at 50%.





there you have it folks, if one unit is queued up your macro is garbage

really goes to show you your knowledge of starcraft.

1 unit can make the world of difference.

1 marauder can change a fight
1 fight can change a game
1 game can change a tournament
1 tournament can change a player

you don't always need to roflstomp someone to beat them, you just have to be beat them.

hell maybe nada thinks the build is fine, what do i know, i am just spewing the facts, hate me or love me, i dont care.

as for all the guys saying nada only played 10 games/10days/10whatever

SOURCE?
right, so stfu tyvm


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User was banned for this post.


A queued unit doesn't tell anything about macro, it just tells a lot about not really refined buildorders. I mean what would you do with that money if you have to build another tank anyway while you don't have the production buildings to do anything with the money.
SpiritWolf
Profile Joined July 2008
United States127 Posts
August 21 2010 11:01 GMT
#1627
Blizzard really should start calling korea and having gretech cancel BW games because they are being restreamed to foreigners. Maybe KeSPA will realize how stupid of a move that was.

+ Show Spoiler +
Who am I kidding. KeSPA will never learn and we wouldn't get watch any epic brood war games.
Donner
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany91 Posts
August 21 2010 11:01 GMT
#1628
On August 21 2010 19:58 t3tsubo wrote:
Can Kespa do the same thing to Idra? And why would an afreeca stream be -illegal-?

And what time is the semifinals, they're playing quake right now.


semifinals starts in 2 hours according to the schedule
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
August 21 2010 11:02 GMT
#1629
The illegal Afreeca stream is a pretty piss-poor excuse to make a show of power by Kespa.
forr4078
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)12 Posts
August 21 2010 11:02 GMT
#1630
I believe Idra's returned his KESPA license to focus on SC2. As far as I know no currently active KESPA progamer is allowed to play SC2 publically.
Total newbie
VTSwu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States40 Posts
August 21 2010 11:02 GMT
#1631
On August 21 2010 19:56 Jameser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 19:55 swuSC2 wrote:
The show-match itself being broadcast by Gamecom didn't violate any license agreement of Blizzard or KeSPA. Technically NaDa can play the show match if he wanted but his license in Korean esports license is controlled by KeSPA so KeSPA strong-armed NaDa to quit the show-match in order to retaliate vs Blizzard. This is a classic issue of reverse corporate strong arming, KeSPA being sore about Blizzard's licensing agreement,

this is why I always said it was a mistake from blizzard to make an enemy of KESPA, they should have made a greater effort to create a partnership, try to pull KESPA into the sc2 scene


I understand KeSPA being frustrating in having to pay royalties to Blizzard in order to broadcast and create a competitive scene after going for so many years with BW without such restrictions. But it makes sense in a corporate standpoint: if KeSPA is using a product to engage in a money making business, the creator of the game definitely should get royalties. Blizzard is bigger now than they were in BW and they have to exert that right as a company. KeSPA is just not willing to adapt and are sore about it.
DwmC_Foefen
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Belgium2186 Posts
August 21 2010 11:02 GMT
#1632
On August 21 2010 19:59 Dav_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 19:56 johanes wrote:
when is idra playing?


You want to stream his game to the Koreans?


Ahaha

nice one
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
August 21 2010 11:02 GMT
#1633
Just throwing it out there that while Nada is a legend, he's hardly good at Starcraft these days. He gets worked and embarrassed by most Korean A teamers and struggles even against the better B teamers. He hasn't played at A team level ever since losing to Jangbi.
x-Catalyst
Profile Joined August 2010
United States921 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 11:03:31
August 21 2010 11:03 GMT
#1634
The next games are in about 2 hours yes?
xlep
Profile Joined December 2009
Germany274 Posts
August 21 2010 11:03 GMT
#1635
wow this is too bad. The game on steppes of war was epic though.

This just makes me hate Kespa even more ... I don't care how much they did for the sc scene. This is an action of a power-drunk organisation forcing control over every step of individuals related to them not of one that cares about esports/the community in any way
skill is scissors beating rock
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
August 21 2010 11:03 GMT
#1636
On August 21 2010 20:02 swuSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 19:56 Jameser wrote:
On August 21 2010 19:55 swuSC2 wrote:
The show-match itself being broadcast by Gamecom didn't violate any license agreement of Blizzard or KeSPA. Technically NaDa can play the show match if he wanted but his license in Korean esports license is controlled by KeSPA so KeSPA strong-armed NaDa to quit the show-match in order to retaliate vs Blizzard. This is a classic issue of reverse corporate strong arming, KeSPA being sore about Blizzard's licensing agreement,

this is why I always said it was a mistake from blizzard to make an enemy of KESPA, they should have made a greater effort to create a partnership, try to pull KESPA into the sc2 scene


I understand KeSPA being frustrating in having to pay royalties to Blizzard in order to broadcast and create a competitive scene after going for so many years with BW without such restrictions. But it makes sense in a corporate standpoint: if KeSPA is using a product to engage in a money making business, the creator of the game definitely should get royalties. Blizzard is bigger now than they were in BW and they have to exert that right as a company. KeSPA is just not willing to adapt and are sore about it.


You have a lot to learn young one.
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
August 21 2010 11:04 GMT
#1637
On August 21 2010 20:02 Womwomwom wrote:
Just throwing it out there that while Nada is a legend, he's hardly good at Starcraft these days. He gets worked and embarrassed by most Korean A teamers and struggles even against the better B teamers. He hasn't played at A team level ever since losing to Jangbi.


Yeah he's such a chobo hes won his last 3 PL appearances!
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
VTSwu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States40 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 11:07:53
August 21 2010 11:04 GMT
#1638
On August 21 2010 20:03 Megalisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 20:02 swuSC2 wrote:
On August 21 2010 19:56 Jameser wrote:
On August 21 2010 19:55 swuSC2 wrote:
The show-match itself being broadcast by Gamecom didn't violate any license agreement of Blizzard or KeSPA. Technically NaDa can play the show match if he wanted but his license in Korean esports license is controlled by KeSPA so KeSPA strong-armed NaDa to quit the show-match in order to retaliate vs Blizzard. This is a classic issue of reverse corporate strong arming, KeSPA being sore about Blizzard's licensing agreement,

this is why I always said it was a mistake from blizzard to make an enemy of KESPA, they should have made a greater effort to create a partnership, try to pull KESPA into the sc2 scene


I understand KeSPA being frustrating in having to pay royalties to Blizzard in order to broadcast and create a competitive scene after going for so many years with BW without such restrictions. But it makes sense in a corporate standpoint: if KeSPA is using a product to engage in a money making business, the creator of the game definitely should get royalties. Blizzard is bigger now than they were in BW and they have to exert that right as a company. KeSPA is just not willing to adapt and are sore about it.


You have a lot to learn young one.


How so its a pretty straight forward issue. It happens all the time thats why patents exists and why you see so many corporations suing another for using their product, i.e. Oracle suing Google for using Android with Java without their permission. Nice troll post.
EleanorRIgby
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada3923 Posts
August 21 2010 11:04 GMT
#1639
this might be the reason we haven't seen idra wear any CJ gear
savior did nothing wrong
SONE
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada839 Posts
August 21 2010 11:05 GMT
#1640
On August 21 2010 20:02 Womwomwom wrote:
Just throwing it out there that while Nada is a legend, he's hardly good at Starcraft these days. He gets worked and embarrassed by most Korean A teamers and struggles even against the better B teamers. He hasn't played at A team level ever since losing to Jangbi.



People who have actually watched/heard of Nada before this showmatch had been announced already knew that, but yeah pretty much. He's still better off than boxer is right now, i mean who loses to yellow in a match that doesnt matter?!

jk<3

great series, kespa is classy, and someone needs to gif nadas response to dropping in game1.
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