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On July 24 2010 12:42 brain_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 12:37 Mr.Eternity wrote:On July 24 2010 12:36 starcat wrote:On July 24 2010 12:33 L0thar wrote:
Hopefully that will at least shut up the Terran imba whiners.
But who am I kidding... Because 1 game disproves that? L2p. Yes, one STRATEGY does disprove that... Idra played almost perfectly (hero Hellion aside) whereas TLO made a bunch of mistakes. I still think IdrA could have lost if TLO had micro'd his Thor timing push better. Plus, it is just stupid that getting one Thor out shuts down almost all Muta harass. They should let Corruptors shoot Thors (with the +massive) just like Colossi. Vikings and stimmed Marines are already insanely good AA, and Thors will still be good against massed air units (and kickass on ground). Terran doesn't need any more insanely good units.
Idra could have also completely destroyed TLO if he went lings instead of roaches, almost no infantry in TLO's build
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On July 24 2010 12:40 wintergt wrote:
Didn't properly see but there must have been some mis-micro to make TLO lose that push I think. If he had scanned and seen Idra had no units, coulda put his tanks farther up, and did all the SCVs died to tank splash or something?
Most zergs won't pull their drones like IdrA did. That was his one saving grace. He probably would have lost to that push had the first tankshots gone off on the Roaches. I've seen Artosis do this a couple of times on his livestream (he's IdrA-by-proxy anyway).
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On July 24 2010 12:40 Qwerty. wrote:So Tester plays IntoTheRainbow and IdrA plays qxc, because they weren't in each other's groups? If so, that would guarantee USA vs Korea finals  Perhaps another IdrA-Tester showdown
I would love to see that match up, i think that would be entertaining.
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On July 24 2010 12:43 L0thar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 12:34 Entropic wrote:On July 24 2010 12:33 L0thar wrote:
Hopefully that will at least shut up the Terran imba whiners.
But who am I kidding... There should be just a stickied thread where all the terran is OP discussion can go, not that I care/go to strategy forum at all lol... Yeah, I'm avoiding it as well, but the whining is spreading everywhere. I just fear the day when it'll got to the BW section too lol. But seriously, the whiners should shut the fuck up in threads like this. Show some respect to the players people :/.
They've been whining about terran for years in the BW forum haha, see azureeye and his many smurfs!
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On July 24 2010 12:43 SubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 12:42 brain_ wrote:On July 24 2010 12:37 Mr.Eternity wrote:On July 24 2010 12:36 starcat wrote:On July 24 2010 12:33 L0thar wrote:
Hopefully that will at least shut up the Terran imba whiners.
But who am I kidding... Because 1 game disproves that? L2p. Yes, one STRATEGY does disprove that... Idra played almost perfectly (hero Hellion aside) whereas TLO made a bunch of mistakes. I still think IdrA could have lost if TLO had micro'd his Thor timing push better. Plus, it is just stupid that getting one Thor out shuts down almost all Muta harass. They should let Corruptors shoot Thors (with the +massive) just like Colossi. Vikings and stimmed Marines are already insanely good AA, and Thors will still be good against massed air units (and kickass on ground). Terran doesn't need any more insanely good units. Yea Thor's anti air is a bit redonkulos vs bio. Its basically a BW archon with awesome range
I think they should shorten the range of the Thor... it just shuts down Muta harass waaaay too well. That way Mutas can actually be used like in SC1, as harass/delay tactic while teching to infestors/Hive/ultras/broods
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On July 24 2010 12:43 Entropic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 12:41 SubtleArt wrote:On July 24 2010 12:00 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 24 2010 11:58 SubtleArt wrote:On July 24 2010 11:56 Stratos_speAr wrote:Yea but the required skill set is, like I said, identical. If ur pro at Sc1 you're also extremely good at Sc2, once u figure out the basic info Also man, Idras style is pretty much the direct counter to TLOs  Timings and unit reactions aren't basic info. And yea, that was a poorly played game by TLO. Timings are useful at the very highest level of play yea, but knowing what units counter wat, a stable build order, and just your sc1 mechanics is enough to play extremely well in sc2. I'm C in BW and I got to diamond easily just by relying on my BW mechanics Diamond isn't high. A low D player can get to Diamond. That's nowhere near the skill ceiling. LOL wtf is higher than diamond? Is there a league I don't know about? And low D player getting in diamond? You have to be shitting me. I was never higher than D/D+ ICCUP... 450+ Diamond so yes a low D player can do ok in Diamond (at least as it was phase 2)... Some have never even played SC1 and still got into Diamond... Anyways, enough beating a dead horse.
Hm, you musta either played easy opponents or just studied sc2 more than u did BW. My friends D+ and he only managed to hit platinum. Then again we don't really know anything Sc2 outside of basic unit counters (BW for life!). I was just saying that BW mechanics alone can make u good at sc2 cause the required mechanics are so similar.
Shit, didn't even notice the dead horse part. You're right, this is totally useless. I kinda forget the original point I was making in the argument lol.
The last thing though, can some1 please tell me what the highest league is if "diamond is nowhere near the skill ceiling"? I kinda understand what he's saying (skill cieling is where pros are) but yea...u can't get any higher than diamond 
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Why didn't Idra use corruptors in g2? They get bonus damage vs bcs and bcs have to use their weaker anti air weapons. Plus he had the spire so no tech switch needed.
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On July 24 2010 12:45 Mr.Eternity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 12:42 brain_ wrote:On July 24 2010 12:37 Mr.Eternity wrote:On July 24 2010 12:36 starcat wrote:On July 24 2010 12:33 L0thar wrote:
Hopefully that will at least shut up the Terran imba whiners.
But who am I kidding... Because 1 game disproves that? L2p. Yes, one STRATEGY does disprove that... Idra played almost perfectly (hero Hellion aside) whereas TLO made a bunch of mistakes. I still think IdrA could have lost if TLO had micro'd his Thor timing push better. Plus, it is just stupid that getting one Thor out shuts down almost all Muta harass. They should let Corruptors shoot Thors (with the +massive) just like Colossi. Vikings and stimmed Marines are already insanely good AA, and Thors will still be good against massed air units (and kickass on ground). Terran doesn't need any more insanely good units. Idra could have also completely destroyed TLO if he went lings instead of roaches, almost no infantry in TLO's build
No way, man. He was completely Marine + Thor, and he could have used the SCVs to prevent a surround on the Marines. Also he had two factories up to pump Hellions. Lings would have been suicide.
On July 24 2010 12:46 Robstickle wrote:
Why didn't Idra use corruptors in g2? They get bonus damage vs bcs and bcs have to use their weaker anti air weapons. Plus he had the spire so no tech switch needed.
Guessing by his comments at the start of g3, he tried to go Infestor because he didn't realize how shitty NP is against BCs with the timer. Also he hates air units most of the time.
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What time will the games be streamed on monday in EST?
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On July 24 2010 12:47 chimera_666 wrote:
What time will the games be streamed on monday in EST?
Isn't it a midnight cast?
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Bawwww I'll be waiting at Gamestop then =( I wonder if I can leech some wireless...
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On July 24 2010 12:46 SubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 12:43 Entropic wrote:On July 24 2010 12:41 SubtleArt wrote:On July 24 2010 12:00 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 24 2010 11:58 SubtleArt wrote:On July 24 2010 11:56 Stratos_speAr wrote:Yea but the required skill set is, like I said, identical. If ur pro at Sc1 you're also extremely good at Sc2, once u figure out the basic info Also man, Idras style is pretty much the direct counter to TLOs Timings and unit reactions aren't basic info. And yea, that was a poorly played game by TLO. Timings are useful at the very highest level of play yea, but knowing what units counter wat, a stable build order, and just your sc1 mechanics is enough to play extremely well in sc2. I'm C in BW and I got to diamond easily just by relying on my BW mechanics Diamond isn't high. A low D player can get to Diamond. That's nowhere near the skill ceiling. LOL wtf is higher than diamond? Is there a league I don't know about? And low D player getting in diamond? You have to be shitting me. I was never higher than D/D+ ICCUP... 450+ Diamond so yes a low D player can do ok in Diamond (at least as it was phase 2)... Some have never even played SC1 and still got into Diamond... Anyways, enough beating a dead horse. Hm, you musta either played easy opponents or just studied sc2 more than u did BW. My friends D+ and he only managed to hit platinum. Then again we don't really know anything Sc2 outside of basic unit counters (BW for life!). I was just saying that BW mechanics alone can make u good at sc2 cause the required mechanics are so similar.
Your friend is amongst the minority. All of the D to D+ players I've known got into Diamond without much trouble, and this seems to be the general trend.
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On July 24 2010 12:46 Robstickle wrote:
Why didn't Idra use corruptors in g2? They get bonus damage vs bcs and bcs have to use their weaker anti air weapons. Plus he had the spire so no tech switch needed.
Battlecruisers have such crap range that they are very easy to neural parasite. With yamato corruptors would just get yamatoed away until massed-- and infestors could actually use the yamato when neural parasites go off (for great justice).
Sadly, I'm not sure how aware IdrA was of the timing on neural parasite's now. He had an opportunity to kill the ones he had mind-controlled a couple of times but instead held on to them until the timer ran out.
Its like they pre-emptively made infestors worse so that this game could take place as it did
Edit: For the record, I lose to mass guardians in FaStEsT PoSSiBLE maAP EVar and I made high Diamond
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On July 24 2010 12:46 Robstickle wrote:
Why didn't Idra use corruptors in g2? They get bonus damage vs bcs and bcs have to use their weaker anti air weapons. Plus he had the spire so no tech switch needed.
Infestors worked really well I'm just suprised he made such shitty decisions when he had them. He mind controled 4 of them and instead of moving them closer to let the hydras snipe them when they cant attack, he just made them attack 1 retreating BC until the timer ran out.
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On July 24 2010 12:46 Robstickle wrote:
Why didn't Idra use corruptors in g2? They get bonus damage vs bcs and bcs have to use their weaker anti air weapons. Plus he had the spire so no tech switch needed.
it takes a shit ton of corruptors to be able to kill bc. if he sees a ton of corruptors he'll switch to ground army, he had the resources. yea i don't know why they nerfed np lol
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On July 24 2010 12:45 huameng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 12:43 L0thar wrote:On July 24 2010 12:34 Entropic wrote:On July 24 2010 12:33 L0thar wrote:
Hopefully that will at least shut up the Terran imba whiners.
But who am I kidding... There should be just a stickied thread where all the terran is OP discussion can go, not that I care/go to strategy forum at all lol... Yeah, I'm avoiding it as well, but the whining is spreading everywhere. I just fear the day when it'll got to the BW section too lol. But seriously, the whiners should shut the fuck up in threads like this. Show some respect to the players people :/. They've been whining about terran for years in the BW forum haha, see azureeye and his many smurfs!
I've already had the pleasure, azureeye never fails to deliver lol. Highways is kind of funny too. But those are isolated incidents, the whining is SC2 section is kind of overwhelming.
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On July 24 2010 12:50 SubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 12:46 Robstickle wrote:
Why didn't Idra use corruptors in g2? They get bonus damage vs bcs and bcs have to use their weaker anti air weapons. Plus he had the spire so no tech switch needed. Infestors worked really well I'm just suprised he made such shitty decisions when he had them. He mind controled 4 of them and instead of moving them closer to let the hydras snipe them when they cant attack, he just made them attack 1 retreating BC until the timer ran out.
Idra definitely coulda had better control with infestors game 2... like you said, he should've been attacking the NP'd BCs or moving them closer earlier.
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On July 24 2010 12:46 SubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 12:43 Entropic wrote:On July 24 2010 12:41 SubtleArt wrote:On July 24 2010 12:00 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 24 2010 11:58 SubtleArt wrote:On July 24 2010 11:56 Stratos_speAr wrote:Yea but the required skill set is, like I said, identical. If ur pro at Sc1 you're also extremely good at Sc2, once u figure out the basic info Also man, Idras style is pretty much the direct counter to TLOs Timings and unit reactions aren't basic info. And yea, that was a poorly played game by TLO. Timings are useful at the very highest level of play yea, but knowing what units counter wat, a stable build order, and just your sc1 mechanics is enough to play extremely well in sc2. I'm C in BW and I got to diamond easily just by relying on my BW mechanics Diamond isn't high. A low D player can get to Diamond. That's nowhere near the skill ceiling. LOL wtf is higher than diamond? Is there a league I don't know about? And low D player getting in diamond? You have to be shitting me. I was never higher than D/D+ ICCUP... 450+ Diamond so yes a low D player can do ok in Diamond (at least as it was phase 2)... Some have never even played SC1 and still got into Diamond... Anyways, enough beating a dead horse. Hm, you musta either played easy opponents or just studied sc2 more than u did BW. My friends D+ and he only managed to hit platinum. Then again we don't really know anything Sc2 outside of basic unit counters (BW for life!). I was just saying that BW mechanics alone can make u good at sc2 cause the required mechanics are so similar. Shit, didn't even notice the dead horse part. You're right, this is totally useless. I kinda forget the original point I was making in the argument lol. The last thing though, can some1 please tell me what the highest league is if "diamond is nowhere near the skill ceiling"? I kinda understand what he's saying (skill cieling is where pros are) but yea...u can't get any higher than diamond
There is supposed to be an invite only 'pro' level ladder. I would assume you don't actually have to be pro to get in, just incredibly good. Though, there hasn't been any details on this besides a list of leagues which mentioned it.
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On July 24 2010 12:48 Jyvblamo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 12:46 SubtleArt wrote:On July 24 2010 12:43 Entropic wrote:On July 24 2010 12:41 SubtleArt wrote:On July 24 2010 12:00 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 24 2010 11:58 SubtleArt wrote:On July 24 2010 11:56 Stratos_speAr wrote:Yea but the required skill set is, like I said, identical. If ur pro at Sc1 you're also extremely good at Sc2, once u figure out the basic info Also man, Idras style is pretty much the direct counter to TLOs Timings and unit reactions aren't basic info. And yea, that was a poorly played game by TLO. Timings are useful at the very highest level of play yea, but knowing what units counter wat, a stable build order, and just your sc1 mechanics is enough to play extremely well in sc2. I'm C in BW and I got to diamond easily just by relying on my BW mechanics Diamond isn't high. A low D player can get to Diamond. That's nowhere near the skill ceiling. LOL wtf is higher than diamond? Is there a league I don't know about? And low D player getting in diamond? You have to be shitting me. I was never higher than D/D+ ICCUP... 450+ Diamond so yes a low D player can do ok in Diamond (at least as it was phase 2)... Some have never even played SC1 and still got into Diamond... Anyways, enough beating a dead horse. Hm, you musta either played easy opponents or just studied sc2 more than u did BW. My friends D+ and he only managed to hit platinum. Then again we don't really know anything Sc2 outside of basic unit counters (BW for life!). I was just saying that BW mechanics alone can make u good at sc2 cause the required mechanics are so similar. Your friend is amongst the minority. All of the D to D+ players I've known got into Diamond without much trouble, and this seems to be the general trend.
Yep my d friends are in diamond also. there isnt one that isnt
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Guys can we get back to discussing the actual tournament games instead of other stuff.
Anyways, I'm rooting for Idra vs Tester #3
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