HDH Invitational #1 - Page 149

On April 29 2010 23:04 B_w_S wrote:

Bnet does keep the both player's latencies at the same level.

Idra you are an absolutely amazing player and I've enjoyed watching a great many of your games, but, come on, you can't really use this as an excuse. You defeated Orb in 2 out of 3 games and are advancing to the next round, don't ruin it by crying latency at the nearest setback.

I want to stress that I do not mean to insult anyone. I just feel that Orb is owed his due for winning a great match. Many people predicted a flawless 2 - 0 victory for Idra.

On April 29 2010 23:04 B_w_S wrote:

Bnet does keep the both player's latencies at the same level.

On April 29 2010 23:17 IdrA wrote:

he asked me what happened, you really wanna claim one sided latency wouldnt have any impact on defending a rush? and its not like im making it up, everyone who has played multiple servers has reported increased latency.

no, it does not keep them at the same level. ive played a good number of zotac and esl cups on euro, which is essentially bnet1 extra high lat + lag for me, and opponents have said they dont feel a thing.

On April 29 2010 23:32 -orb- wrote:


I know you're incessantly BM and I know you don't respect me but I'm watching the replay right now and you don't even have the hatchery selected waiting to cancel it. You never even selected the damn thing so I don't see how the fuck you can be blaming latency for your loss.

You're unbelievable.

On April 30 2010 00:24 floor exercise wrote:
Hardly, that just shows how incredibly lagged he was that his selection didn't even register. I'm grateful a great player like Idra is willing to put up with such a significant handicap and play in this tournament for our amusement.

On April 30 2010 00:34 See.Blue wrote:


Yeah that. I'm not really an Idra fan but for the sake of fairness, its ridiculous to think that someone of his level wouldn't even bother selecting a hatch under attack like that under normal conditions. Idra won in pretty dominant form and from what I gather, inter-gateway lag is a big deal (see a lot of the US vs EU show matches day[9] casts; in half there's usually some point where the disconnect window pops up the lag is so bad, so no there is perfect lag-equalizing algorithm). As much as I was rooting for orb to pull off something great, Idra really does have a completely valid excuse.

On April 29 2010 22:46 floor exercise wrote:
Take a look at the GLHF.tv casters, OMFG.fm, etc. They are featured here, they routinely get hundreds of viewers if not thousands. In GLHF's cause they do a ton for the community.

But you can't say they are knowledgeable casters. I like them both, I appreciate them for what they do. But it's pretty clear their game knowledge is not a strong suit of theirs.

But to say the same thing about HD and Husky, and literally any other youtube commentator under the sun results in hundreds of these <10 post posters crawling out of the woodwork to rush to their defense like overprotective parents. It happens every single time. You write these novels about how they are perfectly fine and being merely adequate is the greatest thing ever, better than any amount of self improvement!!

And ultimately it's because someone corrected the way they pronounced zergling. Or the way they incorrectly described what was occurring in the game. When someone does something wrong, it's not being an asshole to correct them. It's not a personal attack against them and burning desire to see all their life's work destroyed. If people didn't care, they probably wouldn't say anything at all.

But here's this army of sycophantic youtube followers who rush to the aid of their favorite caster at anything they perceive to be a slight, making sweeping generalizations about the tl community and even the admins, and how they secretly want to ruin everything that they didn't personally come up with because one of them pointed out how husky doesn't know how to pronounce zergling.

Guys, your favorite casters are not infallible, they do make mistakes and a lot of them invest so much time and energy into this that I have to believe they want to be the best they can be, or even make a career out of it. Whether or not I think being a video game commentator is a reasonable career path, the way they accomplish it is by being the best they can be at it. The only way they do that is by listening to criticism and improving. Not by being sheltered from things they might not want to hear by their small group of adoring fans.

Not to mention how much you just plain shit up TL every time you believe your favorite caster is under fire

On April 30 2010 00:40 -orb- wrote:
Also, client side lag for one player and not the other doesn't exist. Hence the existence of the "is slowing down the game" message and the lag drop screen.

On April 29 2010 23:32 -orb- wrote:


I know you're incessantly BM and I know you don't respect me but I'm watching the replay right now and you don't even have the hatchery selected waiting to cancel it. You never even selected the damn thing so I don't see how the fuck you can be blaming latency for your loss.

You're unbelievable.