WCSThe LotV Zerg Help Me Thread - Page 2
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DontDropPlz
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Maxie
Sweden2653 Posts
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Moosegills
United States558 Posts
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Sauron
Romania168 Posts
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InfCereal
Canada1470 Posts
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Magus.421
France159 Posts
How should I have countered MASS phoenix? Corruptors, vipers or simply mass hydralisks + queens. Any of these should works. Fungal + ravager bile should works too, but it's hard to catch phoenix with fungal. | ||
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EndOfLineTv
United States741 Posts
On December 07 2015 22:51 DontDropPlz wrote: How should I have countered MASS phoenix? Pro Zerg Enderr, Beat Pro Protoss player Has, who went mass phoenix, wp, adepts. With fast 3 hach, macro hatch upgraded lings (to deny 4th base over and over, and phoenix's) with mass queen and infestor to deal with the phoenix's directly. Buying him enough time to get to ultra's to seal the deal. Still was a very very very close game. EDIT: What is interesting to note about Enderr's play is he opted to NOT get 2 2 evo upgrades and instead went for faster hive for the upgraded adrenal ling upgrade and ultras instead. | ||
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MapleLeafSirup
Germany929 Posts
Are roaches a must-build in ZvT? I feel like Reaper/Hellion openings are too strong against Ling-based armies, and on open maps even wall-offs don't save me. Also the possibility of making ravagers seems to be a factor. However, I always feel like behing behind economically when I open up with roaches. | ||
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blade55555
United States17367 Posts
On December 08 2015 21:37 InfCereal wrote: What do you guys do vs 2 rax reactor reaper? I'm not finding a cost effective way to combat it, yet. Hoping someone has the answer. I've run into it a few times in the last couple of days. The best way to combat 2/3 rax reaper is to skip ling speed and get roaches first instead. How many roaches you make depends on how many reapers he makes. On December 08 2015 23:41 MapleLeafSirup wrote: (High Diamond) Are roaches a must-build in ZvT? I feel like Reaper/Hellion openings are too strong against Ling-based armies, and on open maps even wall-offs don't save me. Also the possibility of making ravagers seems to be a factor. However, I always feel like behing behind economically when I open up with roaches. They aren't a must, but are very nice. You shouldn't need to open roaches in zvt unless the Terran is opening 2-3 rax reaper (in which you skip ling speed for roaches first). This doesn't put you behind versus 2-3 rax reaper as their tech + economy is going to be delayed themselves. Versus Reaper/Hellion, you can use just lings but would want at minimum 2-3 queens + a spine just in case they do a hellbat timing. I like to use Roaches instead of mass ling (just 4 unless he decides to do a hellbat timing then I add more) and this will not put you behind unless you are just massing roaches. | ||
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A_Scarecrow
Australia721 Posts
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InfCereal
Canada1470 Posts
On December 09 2015 00:29 blade55555 wrote: The best way to combat 2/3 rax reaper is to skip ling speed and get roaches first instead. How many roaches you make depends on how many reapers he makes. Roaches were indeed my first try. Reaper mines seem to deal with them fairly well, though. It's interesting. vOv Both times I lost were because I stopped making units, and he didn't, so I'm sure they'll work fine if I commit. | ||
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Erugua
13 Posts
I just haven't been able to beat Disruptors lately. Any tips? my priority order to deal with disruptors : vyper > mutalisk > zerglings both are efficent, the vyper is actually a huge counter since not many protoss go for HT, you also can spawn mutalisk waves to snipe out zergling allow to surround the opponent's army so he basically can't slowplay you with kite and tempo on disruptor's cooldown I don't think disruptors are that strong actually, the cooldown is really insane in the early stages when you have few of them | ||
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-ReD-
Canada167 Posts
On December 09 2015 20:59 Erugua wrote: my priority order to deal with disruptors : vyper > mutalisk > zerglings both are efficent, the vyper is actually a huge counter since not many protoss go for HT, you also can spawn mutalisk waves to snipe out zergling allow to surround the opponent's army so he basically can't slowplay you with kite and tempo on disruptor's cooldown I don't think disruptors are that strong actually, the cooldown is really insane in the early stages when you have few of them Disruptors scale really well and become really strong when your roach army is too big to split properly, which forces out tier 3 units to deal with them | ||
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Beelzebub1
625 Posts
So should I just skip ling speed all together and open like 3 hatch gasless and start pumping out Queens? Seems like speedling expands really don't....yield any actual benefit compared to Roaches. And if "yes" to the above question, when is a good time to be taking my first gasses? | ||
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blade55555
United States17367 Posts
On December 10 2015 07:06 Beelzebub1 wrote: So is opening Ravagers a must vs. Terran? I feel that if you don't pretty much have them on hand vs. Liberators your totally screwed, they are also handy vs. Tankivacs and of course shut down hellion/reapers/buffer for Queens against Banshees. So should I just skip ling speed all together and open like 3 hatch gasless and start pumping out Queens? Seems like speedling expands really don't....yield any actual benefit compared to Roaches. And if "yes" to the above question, when is a good time to be taking my first gasses? No it's not a must. I haven't really made ravagers in zvt in awhile now and am finding a lot more enjoyment doing non ravager styled play in this match up. I wouldn't skip speedlings, maybe for a little bit but not for very long. IF you prefer ravager play (which is what most zergs are doing as far as I know) feel free, but it's not a must. | ||
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Beelzebub1
625 Posts
On December 10 2015 07:22 blade55555 wrote: No it's not a must. I haven't really made ravagers in zvt in awhile now and am finding a lot more enjoyment doing non ravager styled play in this match up. I wouldn't skip speedlings, maybe for a little bit but not for very long. IF you prefer ravager play (which is what most zergs are doing as far as I know) feel free, but it's not a must. Ah okay then, tips from the master himself, what is your go to mid game then if you don't mind me asking? I find that Mutalisks kind of..well.... Suck ass once 3+ Liberators are on the field? With marines, turrets, mines, Thors, vikings and libs I almost find that building more then 6 Mutalisks to manage drops is useless but I feel like if I'm not putting some kind of pressure (other then economy pressure by expanding myself) the Terran is just free to mass a huge Bio/Liberator army and wreck face. Should I be aiming for fast Hive or defensive Roach Hydra until Ultralisks? I feel a bit lost in the match up as of late, especially with the deadly threat of Liberators on your drones. | ||
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blade55555
United States17367 Posts
In general if Terran doesn't open Liberators I open 10-12 mutalisks -> Infestation Pit + Hydralisk Den (morphing Lurker Den while teching to Hive). Make some Lurkers which I am finding very fun and powerful while waiting for Ultarlisks and then using them in combination with Ultra's is so satisfying and fun to do. If Terran opens up Liberators replace Mutalisks with corruptors (they take out medivacs and liberators ez pz and peeing on PF's is fun). That's me though, most are doing roach/hydra into Ultra which you can do. | ||
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Beelzebub1
625 Posts
On December 10 2015 08:04 blade55555 wrote: So I wrote a guide on what I do: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/499060-zerg-versus-terran-legacy-overview In general if Terran doesn't open Liberators I open 10-12 mutalisks -> Infestation Pit + Hydralisk Den (morphing Lurker Den while teching to Hive). Make some Lurkers which I am finding very fun and powerful while waiting for Ultarlisks and then using them in combination with Ultra's is so satisfying and fun to do. If Terran opens up Liberators replace Mutalisks with corruptors (they take out medivacs and liberators ez pz and peeing on PF's is fun). That's me though, most are doing roach/hydra into Ultra which you can do. Your the man \ <3.<3 / | ||
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Cookie
Canada93 Posts
When I sent in my ovy, I noticed reactored marines, techlab on factory and a starport, so I assumed it was some sort of drop or defensive play for a fast 3rd. What is should I have done to counter this? | ||
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TequilaMockingbird
Germany32 Posts
How exactly am I supposed to beat just the very standard bio comp in LotV ? My ZvT from 60-ish in HotS to below 40 in LotV. I find myself losing to terrans with half my apm, and not because they cheese me but just because I am absolutely clueless what to do against bio+liberator. Like I dont even have the vaguest idea really. I tried to stick with muta/ling/bling but that gets annihilated by liberators+mines. I tried the lurker into ultra thing but probably I am just too bad for that style, i dont know, i have maybe won 1 out of 7 or 8 games with it. Either they drop the life out of me or mostly they actually just role over me before I have Ultras out. Every Terran always tells me "lololol you get the composition wrong. Just roach-ravager and aclick lolol Z so easy". So I tried that (without really knowing detailed BOs for that style). But its the same. Bio just rolls me with like the first or second big push out. Like I said I dont even have the vaguest idea at this point. PS: sorry if I come across as raging but I havent been this frustrated with a match-up in a very long time | ||
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