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DontDropPlz
Profile Joined December 2015
15 Posts
December 07 2015 13:51 GMT
#21
How should I have countered MASS phoenix?
Maxie
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
December 07 2015 14:47 GMT
#22
Viper Anti air AoE maybe?
Moosegills
Profile Joined March 2011
United States558 Posts
December 07 2015 21:33 GMT
#23
Just added some guides that some guys have been pushing out. Make sure to check them out and discuss any questions you might have about them there.
#1 HuK fan, zerg player playing for http://www.complexitygaming.com - @coL_Moosegills
Sauron
Profile Joined November 2008
Romania169 Posts
December 08 2015 08:06 GMT
#24
I am Sauron of the mighty Akilae Tribe. I am trying to figure out the zerg so I can punish them harder for their impurity. Thank you for this thread. En Taro Tassadar!
Soothsayer
InfCereal
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1759 Posts
December 08 2015 12:37 GMT
#25
What do you guys do vs 2 rax reactor reaper? I'm not finding a cost effective way to combat it, yet. Hoping someone has the answer. I've run into it a few times in the last couple of days.
Cereal
Magus.421
Profile Joined November 2011
France159 Posts
December 08 2015 13:48 GMT
#26
How should I have countered MASS phoenix?


Corruptors, vipers or simply mass hydralisks + queens. Any of these should works.

Fungal + ravager bile should works too, but it's hard to catch phoenix with fungal.
No whine, just play.
EndOfLineTv
Profile Joined February 2011
United States741 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-08 14:12:05
December 08 2015 14:07 GMT
#27
On December 07 2015 22:51 DontDropPlz wrote:
How should I have countered MASS phoenix?


Pro Zerg Enderr, Beat Pro Protoss player Has, who went mass phoenix, wp, adepts. With fast 3 hach, macro hatch upgraded lings (to deny 4th base over and over, and phoenix's) with mass queen and infestor to deal with the phoenix's directly. Buying him enough time to get to ultra's to seal the deal. Still was a very very very close game.


EDIT: What is interesting to note about Enderr's play is he opted to NOT get 2 2 evo upgrades and instead went for faster hive for the upgraded adrenal ling upgrade and ultras instead.
MapleLeafSirup
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany950 Posts
December 08 2015 14:41 GMT
#28
(High Diamond)
Are roaches a must-build in ZvT? I feel like Reaper/Hellion openings are too strong against Ling-based armies, and on open maps even wall-offs don't save me. Also the possibility of making ravagers seems to be a factor. However, I always feel like behing behind economically when I open up with roaches.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
December 08 2015 15:29 GMT
#29
On December 08 2015 21:37 InfCereal wrote:
What do you guys do vs 2 rax reactor reaper? I'm not finding a cost effective way to combat it, yet. Hoping someone has the answer. I've run into it a few times in the last couple of days.


The best way to combat 2/3 rax reaper is to skip ling speed and get roaches first instead. How many roaches you make depends on how many reapers he makes.

On December 08 2015 23:41 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
(High Diamond)
Are roaches a must-build in ZvT? I feel like Reaper/Hellion openings are too strong against Ling-based armies, and on open maps even wall-offs don't save me. Also the possibility of making ravagers seems to be a factor. However, I always feel like behing behind economically when I open up with roaches.



They aren't a must, but are very nice. You shouldn't need to open roaches in zvt unless the Terran is opening 2-3 rax reaper (in which you skip ling speed for roaches first). This doesn't put you behind versus 2-3 rax reaper as their tech + economy is going to be delayed themselves.

Versus Reaper/Hellion, you can use just lings but would want at minimum 2-3 queens + a spine just in case they do a hellbat timing. I like to use Roaches instead of mass ling (just 4 unless he decides to do a hellbat timing then I add more) and this will not put you behind unless you are just massing roaches.
When I think of something else, something will go here
A_Scarecrow
Profile Joined March 2013
Australia721 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-08 15:57:41
December 08 2015 15:56 GMT
#30
hi guys i recently made a thread on sc2 forums with different guides if you like to add some of the guides here or anything you wish for me to add to it let me know http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/20042845291
InfCereal
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1759 Posts
December 08 2015 18:44 GMT
#31
On December 09 2015 00:29 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2015 21:37 InfCereal wrote:
What do you guys do vs 2 rax reactor reaper? I'm not finding a cost effective way to combat it, yet. Hoping someone has the answer. I've run into it a few times in the last couple of days.


The best way to combat 2/3 rax reaper is to skip ling speed and get roaches first instead. How many roaches you make depends on how many reapers he makes.



Roaches were indeed my first try. Reaper mines seem to deal with them fairly well, though. It's interesting. vOv

Both times I lost were because I stopped making units, and he didn't, so I'm sure they'll work fine if I commit.
Cereal
Erugua
Profile Joined November 2015
13 Posts
December 09 2015 11:59 GMT
#32
I just haven't been able to beat Disruptors lately. Any tips?

my priority order to deal with disruptors : vyper > mutalisk > zerglings
both are efficent, the vyper is actually a huge counter since not many protoss go for HT,
you also can spawn mutalisk waves to snipe out
zergling allow to surround the opponent's army so he basically can't slowplay you with kite and tempo on disruptor's cooldown

I don't think disruptors are that strong actually, the cooldown is really insane in the early stages when you have few of them
-ReD-
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada167 Posts
December 09 2015 15:53 GMT
#33
On December 09 2015 20:59 Erugua wrote:
Show nested quote +
I just haven't been able to beat Disruptors lately. Any tips?

my priority order to deal with disruptors : vyper > mutalisk > zerglings
both are efficent, the vyper is actually a huge counter since not many protoss go for HT,
you also can spawn mutalisk waves to snipe out
zergling allow to surround the opponent's army so he basically can't slowplay you with kite and tempo on disruptor's cooldown

I don't think disruptors are that strong actually, the cooldown is really insane in the early stages when you have few of them


Disruptors scale really well and become really strong when your roach army is too big to split properly, which forces out tier 3 units to deal with them
Beelzebub1
Profile Joined May 2015
1004 Posts
December 09 2015 22:06 GMT
#34
So is opening Ravagers a must vs. Terran? I feel that if you don't pretty much have them on hand vs. Liberators your totally screwed, they are also handy vs. Tankivacs and of course shut down hellion/reapers/buffer for Queens against Banshees.

So should I just skip ling speed all together and open like 3 hatch gasless and start pumping out Queens? Seems like speedling expands really don't....yield any actual benefit compared to Roaches.

And if "yes" to the above question, when is a good time to be taking my first gasses?
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
December 09 2015 22:22 GMT
#35
On December 10 2015 07:06 Beelzebub1 wrote:
So is opening Ravagers a must vs. Terran? I feel that if you don't pretty much have them on hand vs. Liberators your totally screwed, they are also handy vs. Tankivacs and of course shut down hellion/reapers/buffer for Queens against Banshees.

So should I just skip ling speed all together and open like 3 hatch gasless and start pumping out Queens? Seems like speedling expands really don't....yield any actual benefit compared to Roaches.

And if "yes" to the above question, when is a good time to be taking my first gasses?


No it's not a must. I haven't really made ravagers in zvt in awhile now and am finding a lot more enjoyment doing non ravager styled play in this match up.

I wouldn't skip speedlings, maybe for a little bit but not for very long. IF you prefer ravager play (which is what most zergs are doing as far as I know) feel free, but it's not a must.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Beelzebub1
Profile Joined May 2015
1004 Posts
December 09 2015 22:42 GMT
#36
On December 10 2015 07:22 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 07:06 Beelzebub1 wrote:
So is opening Ravagers a must vs. Terran? I feel that if you don't pretty much have them on hand vs. Liberators your totally screwed, they are also handy vs. Tankivacs and of course shut down hellion/reapers/buffer for Queens against Banshees.

So should I just skip ling speed all together and open like 3 hatch gasless and start pumping out Queens? Seems like speedling expands really don't....yield any actual benefit compared to Roaches.

And if "yes" to the above question, when is a good time to be taking my first gasses?


No it's not a must. I haven't really made ravagers in zvt in awhile now and am finding a lot more enjoyment doing non ravager styled play in this match up.

I wouldn't skip speedlings, maybe for a little bit but not for very long. IF you prefer ravager play (which is what most zergs are doing as far as I know) feel free, but it's not a must.


Ah okay then, tips from the master himself, what is your go to mid game then if you don't mind me asking? I find that Mutalisks kind of..well....

Suck ass once 3+ Liberators are on the field? With marines, turrets, mines, Thors, vikings and libs I almost find that building more then 6 Mutalisks to manage drops is useless but I feel like if I'm not putting some kind of pressure (other then economy pressure by expanding myself) the Terran is just free to mass a huge Bio/Liberator army and wreck face.

Should I be aiming for fast Hive or defensive Roach Hydra until Ultralisks? I feel a bit lost in the match up as of late, especially with the deadly threat of Liberators on your drones.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
December 09 2015 23:04 GMT
#37
So I wrote a guide on what I do: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/499060-zerg-versus-terran-legacy-overview

In general if Terran doesn't open Liberators I open 10-12 mutalisks -> Infestation Pit + Hydralisk Den (morphing Lurker Den while teching to Hive). Make some Lurkers which I am finding very fun and powerful while waiting for Ultarlisks and then using them in combination with Ultra's is so satisfying and fun to do.

If Terran opens up Liberators replace Mutalisks with corruptors (they take out medivacs and liberators ez pz and peeing on PF's is fun).

That's me though, most are doing roach/hydra into Ultra which you can do.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Beelzebub1
Profile Joined May 2015
1004 Posts
December 09 2015 23:13 GMT
#38
On December 10 2015 08:04 blade55555 wrote:
So I wrote a guide on what I do: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/499060-zerg-versus-terran-legacy-overview

In general if Terran doesn't open Liberators I open 10-12 mutalisks -> Infestation Pit + Hydralisk Den (morphing Lurker Den while teching to Hive). Make some Lurkers which I am finding very fun and powerful while waiting for Ultarlisks and then using them in combination with Ultra's is so satisfying and fun to do.

If Terran opens up Liberators replace Mutalisks with corruptors (they take out medivacs and liberators ez pz and peeing on PF's is fun).

That's me though, most are doing roach/hydra into Ultra which you can do.


Your the man \ <3.<3 /
Cookie
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada94 Posts
December 11 2015 07:45 GMT
#39
I just got crushed by a early terran push on orbital shipyard that had around 10 marines, 2 tanks and 2 liberators. I opened the standard 17/17 into 3rd hatch with a couple roaches, 2 extra queens, and a couple lings. My ramp was sieged by both liberators and tank making it impossible to engage.

When I sent in my ovy, I noticed reactored marines, techlab on factory and a starport, so I assumed it was some sort of drop or defensive play for a fast 3rd. What is should I have done to counter this?
TequilaMockingbird
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany64 Posts
December 11 2015 09:18 GMT
#40
Hi. Low masters Z here.
How exactly am I supposed to beat just the very standard bio comp in LotV ? My ZvT from 60-ish in HotS to below 40 in LotV.
I find myself losing to terrans with half my apm, and not because they cheese me but just because I am absolutely clueless what to do against bio+liberator. Like I dont even have the vaguest idea really.

I tried to stick with muta/ling/bling but that gets annihilated by liberators+mines.
I tried the lurker into ultra thing but probably I am just too bad for that style, i dont know, i have maybe won 1 out of 7 or 8 games with it. Either they drop the life out of me or mostly they actually just role over me before I have Ultras out.

Every Terran always tells me "lololol you get the composition wrong. Just roach-ravager and aclick lolol Z so easy".
So I tried that (without really knowing detailed BOs for that style). But its the same. Bio just rolls me with like the first or second big push out.

Like I said I dont even have the vaguest idea at this point.

PS: sorry if I come across as raging but I havent been this frustrated with a match-up in a very long time
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