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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
January 01 2015 22:14 GMT
#81
Clearly will never work past platinum, people are too good after that imo
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
January 01 2015 22:41 GMT
#82
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10700 Posts
January 02 2015 00:38 GMT
#83
On January 02 2015 07:09 SatedSC2 wrote:
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On January 02 2015 06:36 GGzerG wrote:
Thanks for writing this guide, now I can get a lot of free wins on ladder vs Protoss's that think all in is good.

EDIT : What league are you Sated and what league are these builds meant for?

I take it you didn't bother to actually read the guide given that you're asking something like that ^_^


I read them all, and all it looks like is a compilation of other guides into one guide, and they are all just guides on how to do all ins. Now may I ask what league are you and are these guides meant for a certain level of players?
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
January 02 2015 00:39 GMT
#84
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10700 Posts
January 02 2015 05:44 GMT
#85
On January 02 2015 09:39 SatedSC2 wrote:
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On January 02 2015 09:38 GGzerG wrote:
On January 02 2015 07:09 SatedSC2 wrote:
On January 02 2015 06:36 GGzerG wrote:
Thanks for writing this guide, now I can get a lot of free wins on ladder vs Protoss's that think all in is good.

EDIT : What league are you Sated and what league are these builds meant for?

I take it you didn't bother to actually read the guide given that you're asking something like that ^_^


I read them all, and all it looks like is a compilation of other guides into one guide, and they are all just guides on how to do all ins. Now may I ask what league are you and are these guides meant for a certain level of players?

Stop trolling. It's not cute :3


I'd like to play you so we can see how these work in action, you game? - -;
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
January 02 2015 05:53 GMT
#86
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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
January 02 2015 09:55 GMT
#87
Hold on a second...someone is claiming that Protoss two base allins are bad? Really???
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
tar
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany991 Posts
January 02 2015 10:44 GMT
#88
I'm already loving this without having tried it out yet. my 2015 in sc is going to be stupid and shitty all the way :D Thanks, Sated
whoever I pick for my anti team turns gosu
TedBurtle
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
Belarus201 Posts
January 02 2015 17:20 GMT
#89
tried everything. my thought's :
1)good strat's that i picked for my arsenal, 3-phase all in vs zerg, it's really hurt economic of zerg's that not in masters at least, and they just cant prepare with vipers for final push.. And by the way, if they want to counter attack, i still got many forces to kill theyr push. Great strategy, that i played when i was in silver league (old version, that finishes on immortal push) and it helped me get to gold and learn to multitask,micro vs zerg...This one, carried me to the high diamond now.

2)Agressive macro opening in PvP, is interesting, it worked, it can be mastered to perfection, and be used, but i still prefer standart BO.

3)Hyper4Gate. Works well, but it's stick to the timings of everything, little mistake ruin this push potential, misstiming of attack and else is hurts too much. Not using it now, but it helped me to learn (when i was silver) importance of seconds in sc2..of every second.

4)PvT: 1 Gate FE Into 5 Gate All-In... After scouting that you wont face fast/or too many mines, can work (as you said in guide). i prefer to get a plan, and stick to it without too much swings, and this strategy is really about swings, gas before rax? ~75% our strategy will fail, so i won't do it, but maybe add this if i play weird game, by defeating proxy rax, and terran escapes and trying to continue

5)PvZ 15Nexus GATE GATE GATE...yeah maybe on dreampool. not now

6)PvP proxy oracle into voidray allin... Preety nice transition. works. Love it..still playing standart (i prefer blink)

7)PvT- Dark Templars ... still, this is your old BO, that i played in silver (it was on summer)..helped me to get to gold..then i played standart robo macro vs T...Now i enjoying this refined BO again with my multitasking skills increased.

So overall..Thanks for builds!! Nice to see people like you!
Unbeatable Protoss
Dredrick
Profile Joined September 2010
United States32 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-06 02:40:04
January 06 2015 02:37 GMT
#90
Some really good stuff here. Thank you for posting several replays of each build, I cant stand trying to learn builds from VoDs.

I'm particularly fond of your PvZ Double Robo attack. I have another PvZ opening that's very aggressive, and I've been trying to find a good follow-up to it for a while. Going to put the two builds together and see how they mash up. I'll come back with some replays in a few days if I like how it goes.




On January 02 2015 09:38 GGzerG wrote:
I read them all, and all it looks like is a compilation of other guides into one guide, and they are all just guides on how to do all ins. Now may I ask what league are you and are these guides meant for a certain level of players?


Well apparently you failed to read the Introduction, or watch a single replay because doing either of those would have answered your question without you trying to flex your muscles at people. Not very impressive.
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SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
January 07 2015 14:04 GMT
#91
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AkashSky
Profile Joined May 2014
United States257 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 02:17:33
January 20 2015 02:16 GMT
#92
Hey Sated, Your 4-2-2 has worked wonders for me in PvZ, i have an 80% win ratio at the moment in diamond league. My PvP is just under 50% so I think thats fair, but terrans are giving me alot of trouble nowadays, with my win rate at about 30.

Do you have anything similar to the 4-2-2 against terran? I like the multi stage aggression and the benchmarks it has that helps me macro better overall.

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SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
January 20 2015 09:30 GMT
#93
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SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
January 20 2015 09:50 GMT
#94
I just saw this thread because of the bumb. Sated, you nasty son of a bitch :p
thanks for getting my PvZ over 30%, the last BO looks so fucking powerful, I wouldn't know how to handle it as Zerg 0_0....

Got 3 questions:
a. What is your mutalisk defense of choice? Double SG? Blink? Getting a third and macroing out?
b. Zerg ideally wants a Spire or Vipers. Is scouting when the immortals move out a good timing? You should see the 2nd robo, the bay or the low Gate count. How hard is it to defend a Roach Ling basetrade with burrow and hidden Drones? because that, to me, seems like the strongest/most reliable "OH SHIT I wasnt prepared" response.
c. Could you provide timing benchmarks to hit in practice? Any pro gamers being this cheesy :p? This sounds like the things sOs would do

Anyways, fuck you and thank you for this guide

Mixed feelings much #justrandomplayerthings
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
January 20 2015 09:51 GMT
#95
On January 20 2015 18:30 SatedSC2 wrote:
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On January 20 2015 11:16 AkashSky wrote:
Hey Sated, Your 4-2-2 has worked wonders for me in PvZ, i have an 80% win ratio at the moment in diamond league. My PvP is just under 50% so I think thats fair, but terrans are giving me alot of trouble nowadays, with my win rate at about 30.

Do you have anything similar to the 4-2-2 against terran? I like the multi stage aggression and the benchmarks it has that helps me macro better overall.

win ratio image
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http://imgur.com/hsMtqnh

[image loading]


I'm glad it's working for you!

Unfortunately, I don't have anything like the 4-2-2 that can be used against Terran. My idea behind my 4-2-2 is based on NonY's triple-recall strategy, without that foundation I wouldn't have been able to come up with this build, and I've never seen anyone using a Recall-heavy pressure strategy vs. Terran...

2 base colossus all ins after Blink are really popular. Theres even a 3 base all in (see Dear v MKC from the Samsung v MVP proleague match yesterday)
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
MidnightZL
Profile Joined August 2012
Sweden203 Posts
January 20 2015 13:35 GMT
#96
If it works, it's not stupid, it is only smart. That's what this game is all about, being smarter than your opponent. Enough said.
- I'm fairly certain YOLO is just Carpe Diem for stupid people - Jack Black
SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-23 11:09:08
January 23 2015 11:01 GMT
#97
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10700 Posts
January 23 2015 11:30 GMT
#98
On January 20 2015 22:35 MidnightZL wrote:
If it works, it's not stupid, it is only smart. That's what this game is all about, being smarter than your opponent. Enough said.


Yea that is a really intelligent way to look at balancing a game as well.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-23 12:48:05
January 23 2015 12:43 GMT
#99
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PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7733 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-24 12:51:17
January 24 2015 12:51 GMT
#100
I've just won my first two ladder games as toss (used to play zerg and a bit of terran before) using the Hyper 4gate. Thank you for this guide, Sated-sama. I will gleefully spread Protoss Bullshit across ladder in your name.
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
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