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Xinzoe
Profile Joined January 2014
Korea (South)2373 Posts
November 20 2014 21:06 GMT
#201
On November 19 2014 16:37 ZombieFrog wrote:
RIP all macro play on ladder for this season. Cept swarmhosts i suppose.


the good thing is that those who cheesed will probably drop 1-2 leagues next season.
NKexquisite
Profile Joined January 2009
United States911 Posts
November 20 2014 22:43 GMT
#202
Reading this... SMH... At least I know what to watch out for now
Whattttt Upppppppp Im Nesteaaaaaa!!
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
November 21 2014 08:49 GMT
#203
Playing the old maps is the wierdest feeling ever. It's not particularly bad or great, it's just... so wierd.
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
PinoKotsBeer
Profile Joined February 2014
Netherlands1385 Posts
November 21 2014 12:31 GMT
#204
Thankfully its a short season!
http://www.twitch.tv/pinokotsbeer
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
November 21 2014 13:38 GMT
#205
On November 21 2014 17:49 SmoKim wrote:
Playing the old maps is the wierdest feeling ever. It's not particularly bad or great, it's just... so wierd.


My personal take on them is to just play BL/Infestor on Daybreak and CK. Let's the good feelings return.
tar
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany991 Posts
November 21 2014 16:28 GMT
#206
On November 20 2014 01:25 DinoMight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 01:22 Heartland wrote:
What on earth should you do PvZ on Xel'naga or Metalopolis? 10-gate into 3-gate?


Pylon, Gateway, Double, Gas, Pylon, Cyber, Robo, Twilight, Dark Shrine, 3 more gates (all in your main).

Make 2 Immortals in a Warp Prism and send it over (start warp prism first because you won't have gas). Drop the Immortals, snipe the spore, warp in 4 DTs, kill everything in his main.

Then add a Colossus den and expand.


Works in Diamond :p

EDIT - Works against Terran too. Snipe Turret, then tech labs, then reactors. Then go for worker kills. With some micro he runs out of scans pretty fast.


This sounds so great but my opponents scout :S I guess I have to keep trying :D
whoever I pick for my anti team turns gosu
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
November 22 2014 06:35 GMT
#207
On November 21 2014 06:06 Xinzoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2014 16:37 ZombieFrog wrote:
RIP all macro play on ladder for this season. Cept swarmhosts i suppose.


the good thing is that those who cheesed will probably drop 1-2 leagues next season.

None of this is cheese, FYI. It's all-in play. All-ins are not cheese.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
November 22 2014 06:57 GMT
#208
On November 22 2014 15:35 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2014 06:06 Xinzoe wrote:
On November 19 2014 16:37 ZombieFrog wrote:
RIP all macro play on ladder for this season. Cept swarmhosts i suppose.


the good thing is that those who cheesed will probably drop 1-2 leagues next season.

None of this is cheese, FYI. It's all-in play. All-ins are not cheese.


All-ins =/= cheese, but many of the described builds do rely on lack of information for the opponent/being unexpected, in which case they are cheeses by the definition of cheese:
Cheese most often refers to an unexpected strategy that relies in large parts on lack of information and/or psychological impact on the opponent - Liquipedia
Isarios
Profile Joined March 2014
United States153 Posts
November 22 2014 10:05 GMT
#209
okay, so far i haven't won my cheeses either. funny enough, i think its actually barely balanced enough that you really have to be a decent cheeser or maybe stumble upon the one or two really unbalanced cheese to get certain wins.

it is however a slower transition to macro games: ex opening hatch pool, or pool hatch, instead of hatch hatch. and scouting at 9 or 12 seems to be required.
Blahhh
Xinzoe
Profile Joined January 2014
Korea (South)2373 Posts
November 22 2014 15:27 GMT
#210
On November 22 2014 15:35 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2014 06:06 Xinzoe wrote:
On November 19 2014 16:37 ZombieFrog wrote:
RIP all macro play on ladder for this season. Cept swarmhosts i suppose.


the good thing is that those who cheesed will probably drop 1-2 leagues next season.

None of this is cheese, FYI. It's all-in play. All-ins are not cheese.


they are more or less the same. scouted and u are super behind or autolose with the exception of cannon rushes that you can transition out of.
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
November 22 2014 21:46 GMT
#211
On November 22 2014 15:35 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2014 06:06 Xinzoe wrote:
On November 19 2014 16:37 ZombieFrog wrote:
RIP all macro play on ladder for this season. Cept swarmhosts i suppose.


the good thing is that those who cheesed will probably drop 1-2 leagues next season.

None of this is cheese, FYI. It's all-in play. All-ins are not cheese.

all-ins can be cheese, aslong as it makes you look like a cheater
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
November 23 2014 01:00 GMT
#212
Ugh these maps promote SH so much. Not kidding, I lost a game to a zerg who was 1 base (after maxing out, killed everything else) with around 170 supply on Daybreak. I had 200/200, over $10k minerals and around $4k gas in the bank, with carrier / archon / templar /mothership and still somehow lost, couldn't take any of the middle bases vs SH.

To note, I'm really bad against SH play, but it was sooo lame.
DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
November 23 2014 04:18 GMT
#213
On November 22 2014 01:28 tar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 01:25 DinoMight wrote:
On November 20 2014 01:22 Heartland wrote:
What on earth should you do PvZ on Xel'naga or Metalopolis? 10-gate into 3-gate?


Pylon, Gateway, Double, Gas, Pylon, Cyber, Robo, Twilight, Dark Shrine, 3 more gates (all in your main).

Make 2 Immortals in a Warp Prism and send it over (start warp prism first because you won't have gas). Drop the Immortals, snipe the spore, warp in 4 DTs, kill everything in his main.

Then add a Colossus den and expand.


Works in Diamond :p

EDIT - Works against Terran too. Snipe Turret, then tech labs, then reactors. Then go for worker kills. With some micro he runs out of scans pretty fast.


This sounds so great but my opponents scout :S I guess I have to keep trying :D


Keep trying, it's all about micro.
"Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI
tar
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany991 Posts
November 23 2014 11:13 GMT
#214
On November 23 2014 13:18 DinoMight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 01:28 tar wrote:
On November 20 2014 01:25 DinoMight wrote:
On November 20 2014 01:22 Heartland wrote:
What on earth should you do PvZ on Xel'naga or Metalopolis? 10-gate into 3-gate?


Pylon, Gateway, Double, Gas, Pylon, Cyber, Robo, Twilight, Dark Shrine, 3 more gates (all in your main).

Make 2 Immortals in a Warp Prism and send it over (start warp prism first because you won't have gas). Drop the Immortals, snipe the spore, warp in 4 DTs, kill everything in his main.

Then add a Colossus den and expand.


Works in Diamond :p

EDIT - Works against Terran too. Snipe Turret, then tech labs, then reactors. Then go for worker kills. With some micro he runs out of scans pretty fast.


This sounds so great but my opponents scout :S I guess I have to keep trying :D


Keep trying, it's all about micro.


it really isn't if your WP arrives in their base and it is greeted by huge flock of roaches and speelings with 2 overseers on top
whoever I pick for my anti team turns gosu
Frankenberry
Profile Joined February 2012
Denmark302 Posts
November 23 2014 11:40 GMT
#215
This thread is so dirty :D
xtorn
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
4060 Posts
November 23 2014 15:16 GMT
#216
Just saw this. Excellent article, writing style etc etc
10/10 would wake neighbors with laughter again

Blizz wants me to practice some cheddar and ling micro so lets do this
Life - forever the Legend in my heart
DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-24 23:33:19
November 24 2014 23:32 GMT
#217
On November 23 2014 20:13 tar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2014 13:18 DinoMight wrote:
On November 22 2014 01:28 tar wrote:
On November 20 2014 01:25 DinoMight wrote:
On November 20 2014 01:22 Heartland wrote:
What on earth should you do PvZ on Xel'naga or Metalopolis? 10-gate into 3-gate?


Pylon, Gateway, Double, Gas, Pylon, Cyber, Robo, Twilight, Dark Shrine, 3 more gates (all in your main).

Make 2 Immortals in a Warp Prism and send it over (start warp prism first because you won't have gas). Drop the Immortals, snipe the spore, warp in 4 DTs, kill everything in his main.

Then add a Colossus den and expand.


Works in Diamond :p

EDIT - Works against Terran too. Snipe Turret, then tech labs, then reactors. Then go for worker kills. With some micro he runs out of scans pretty fast.


This sounds so great but my opponents scout :S I guess I have to keep trying :D


Keep trying, it's all about micro.


it really isn't if your WP arrives in their base and it is greeted by huge flock of roaches and speelings with 2 overseers on top


This is when you just call them a hacker and leave :p

But you have to at least try and sell the idea that you're trying to expand, move your msc out, build a pylon or something on the low ground... if you time the build well you should def be able to do some damage.

Or you can try to take your natural and harass with the warp prism for a while (yeah you'll be behind but if you never stop probing which you shouldn't you can still claw your way back into the game).
"Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI
klup
Profile Joined May 2013
France612 Posts
November 25 2014 15:02 GMT
#218
I love this new dreampool! I finally dusted off the 3 rax reaper opening from my shelves made by a close friend of mine :
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/409905-3-rax-reaper-opening-in-all-mu

It's reaping macro players because of incredible pressure you can put early on in those maps with wide open ledges and also is good to adapt and defend the popular cheeses (like blink allin) because of the 3 rax setup. I am so far in 18-1 in diamond ladder with that :D.
w3c.TruE
Profile Joined November 2013
Czech Republic1055 Posts
November 25 2014 16:21 GMT
#219
Ahh, this thread is glorious. I love all these builds!
Dream, Dark, herO, PartinG, RorO, Bbyong, Rain, soO, PtitDrogo <3. Goodbye RorO, MC you were awesome! You will be remembered!
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
November 25 2014 21:45 GMT
#220
12-1 this evening, only loss to a protoss on shakuras who survived my 20 min no gas marine rally
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
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