Don't let them get there. Deny bases and try to trade efficiently. If you are letting Terran take 4+ bases and he gets mass ravens it's near impossible to win.

Lucoda

Ireland183 Posts

December 23 2013 16:35 GMT

#23

How does this style work against other styles of mech? I've been playing Thor Hellbat a lot on ladder, it's an aggressive style of mech. What would you do against thor hellbat?

blade55555

United States17423 Posts

December 23 2013 16:57 GMT

#24

On December 24 2013 01:35 LucoxP wrote:
How does this style work against other styles of mech? I've been playing Thor Hellbat a lot on ladder, it's an aggressive style of mech. What would you do against thor hellbat?

That is honestly one of the easiest mech compositions to beat. I said in the video what I would do if they push out and thor/hellbat gets wrecked by roach/swarmhost. So if in that game he had done any sort of push I would have had roach/swarmhost and that beats it really handily.

Lucoda

Ireland183 Posts

December 23 2013 17:54 GMT

#25

And what you just attack move onto the army, or should you be focusing down the thors ?

blade55555

United States17423 Posts

December 23 2013 17:58 GMT

#26

On December 24 2013 02:54 LucoxP wrote:
And what you just attack move onto the army, or should you be focusing down the thors ?

Try to flank if possible, if not just try to engage in as big of an arc as possible with roach/swarmhost. Don't focus thors otherwise they will micro them back and hellbats will do more damage then they should.

Moonsalt

267 Posts

December 23 2013 18:46 GMT

#27

Really nice video, but what if he scouted and prepared a ton of vikings and reavens to kill your late game comp?
What is your response to viking/raven ? corruptor/viper and some SH?

Riner1212

United States337 Posts

December 23 2013 19:17 GMT

#28

I dont mean to disrespect though but bombers regular bio/mine play is far superior as opposed to his mech play. You should consider that he was probably just messing around.

blade55555

United States17423 Posts

December 23 2013 20:06 GMT

#29

On December 24 2013 03:46 Moonsalt wrote:
Really nice video, but what if he scouted and prepared a ton of vikings and reavens to kill your late game comp?
What is your response to viking/raven ? corruptor/viper and some SH?

I said this in the video, but bl/corr/infestor and a few vipers. My goal is to kill terran before mass ravens.

On December 24 2013 04:17 Riner1212 wrote:
I dont mean to disrespect though but bombers regular bio/mine play is far superior as opposed to his mech play. You should consider that he was probably just messing around.

I think had you paid attention I said that

EndOfLineTv

United States741 Posts

December 23 2013 21:10 GMT

#30

Blade. Good stuff, like always. Glad you are back from your break! Now stream some more!

DjayEl

France252 Posts

December 24 2013 02:14 GMT

#31

Yes welcome back Blade, thanks for this guide and keep streaming : I'll be here watching!

Lobotomist

United States1541 Posts

December 24 2013 17:37 GMT

#32

Right on, thanks for the vid blade. The point about stockpiling larva/cash for roaches in case they push pre-hive was great, i find myself making that same type of mistake (maxing out on low tech units) in zvp well

Lobotomist

United States1541 Posts

December 24 2013 17:54 GMT

#33

Edit: double post

Spec

Taiwan931 Posts

December 24 2013 18:23 GMT

#34

Thank you so much for answering my Zerg tears.

THEPPLsELBOW

United States190 Posts

December 24 2013 20:44 GMT

#35

What can Terran switch to in uber-late game that could possibly beat SH, Infestor, Corruptor, Spore, Queen? I'm talking like 50 corruptors, and only morph them to broods after their ravens deplete their energy.

This composition forces tanks, yet all your corruptors means he will be super wary of broodlords, so they're forced to get Tank Raven Viking, but then, given enough spores, he can't engage you without all the spore shots draining PDD in your favor.

The only thing I can possibly think that could beat this is mass turret, tank, BC, raven nukes to eventually push you back with nukes. And even then, its basically a stalemate...

blade55555

United States17423 Posts

December 24 2013 20:54 GMT

#36

On December 25 2013 05:44 THEPPLsELBOW wrote:
What can Terran switch to in uber-late game that could possibly beat SH, Infestor, Corruptor, Spore, Queen? I'm talking like 50 corruptors, and only morph them to broods after their ravens deplete their energy.

This composition forces tanks, yet all your corruptors means he will be super wary of broodlords, so they're forced to get Tank Raven Viking, but then, given enough spores, he can't engage you without all the spore shots draining PDD in your favor.

The only thing I can possibly think that could beat this is mass turret, tank, BC, raven nukes to eventually push you back with nukes. And even then, its basically a stalemate...

Uh seriously nothing from zerg beats raven/bc/viking. If you get that composition out unless you mess up bad you win. So get that comp :D

Spec

Taiwan931 Posts

December 25 2013 05:28 GMT

#37

I have a few questions about answering different deviations of mech:
First, what do you think is the best response against banshee openings into mech, opening and transition into what you talked about.
Second, how do you react with players that begin stock piling ravens earlier than bomber did? Should you be able to kill them somehow?

blade55555

United States17423 Posts

December 25 2013 05:41 GMT

#38

On December 25 2013 14:28 Spec wrote:
I have a few questions about answering different deviations of mech:
First, what do you think is the best response against banshee openings into mech, opening and transition into what you talked about.
Second, how do you react with players that begin stock piling ravens earlier than bomber did? Should you be able to kill them somehow?

It's hard to stockpile ravens earlier then when bomber was going to, it leaves your ground army way to weak and he would have probably died worse. Most terrans want a 4 base economy as they need quite a bit of time to get it on 3 base, it's just hard to have enough ground units and then add a bunch of ravens without dying on 3 bases.

Hydra or muta's are fine, really up to you. Mutalisks are probably better because if they aren't with the mech army they will die.

StutteR

United States1903 Posts

December 25 2013 06:54 GMT

#39

I gotta echo Girondelle's question here. What about a round of mutas before swarm hosts? He doesn't have much anti-air other than widow mines and the swarm hosts dont do much of a contain against someone who is playing passively anyways.

blade55555

United States17423 Posts

December 25 2013 08:21 GMT

#40

On December 25 2013 15:54 StutteR wrote:
I gotta echo Girondelle's question here. What about a round of mutas before swarm hosts? He doesn't have much anti-air other than widow mines and the swarm hosts dont do much of a contain against someone who is playing passively anyways.

Mutalisks aren't going to do anything either. It's fine to go mutalisks (I do this sometimes), but they are not really going to accomplish anything unless the terran is bad.

The swarmhosts aren't meant to kill the opponent, it's meant to contain him while teching and using them to delay pushes (locusts are very good at that). I think people mis understand the role of the sh versus mech. They aren't meant to kill the terran, just contain and be used to delay pushes while getting their tech out (or units) and slow the push rather then losing units you are losing free units and dealing damage to the ball while slowing it down a ton.