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On April 12 2013 20:53 ultrakiss wrote:Hey rekatan and everyone else who answered my question. I forgot to say thank you  Also, when do you typically stream rekatan? These VODS are really fun to watch. I want to see more Swarm Hosts!
Most every saturday and sunday for at least 4-6 hours. Also once or twice a week for a couple hours.
As for specific times, I update my twitter - rekstarcraft and facebook - rekatansc2 when I know for certain!
On April 12 2013 21:55 Hairy wrote:
Thought I should mention that Day[9] is covering swarmhost-based ZvP by CatZ in episode #570. Interesting to compare and contrast...
Ya, truthfully it makes me sad because CatZ spent most of beta telling everyone to not make swarmhosts because they're terrible, and these days uses them in a gimmicky all-in capacity. Oh well such is life.
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how do you beat this as protoss. i don't come across SH very often as P (dunno why), but i alwasy just seem to lose when they get them en masse. i know to get colossi, but it becomes so hard if they swap to muta since you need to swap to phoenix production and they usually have so many mutas so fast that its so hard to defend.
also its quite frustrating since i feel like i have to micro constantly to avoid significant damage to my own units whereas zerg is just burrow and move attack.
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On April 12 2013 21:55 Hairy wrote:
Thought I should mention that Day[9] is covering swarmhost-based ZvP by CatZ in episode #570. Interesting to compare and contrast...
While their builds are totally utterly different, and the mid-game style far different, the same points about endgame are made by both.
HTs killed by locusts, static D, viper, etc.
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On April 13 2013 03:03 dreamsmasher wrote:
how do you beat this as protoss. i don't come across SH very often as P (dunno why), but i alwasy just seem to lose when they get them en masse. i know to get colossi, but it becomes so hard if they swap to muta since you need to swap to phoenix production and they usually have so many mutas so fast that its so hard to defend.
also its quite frustrating since i feel like i have to micro constantly to avoid significant damage to my own units whereas zerg is just burrow and move attack.
I think blinksters + colossi is a must. 90% of my losses probably are a result of really good blink micro and 6-8 colossi.
Also warp gate zealot harass is incredibly strong vs this.
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On April 13 2013 10:09 Rekatan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 03:03 dreamsmasher wrote:
how do you beat this as protoss. i don't come across SH very often as P (dunno why), but i alwasy just seem to lose when they get them en masse. i know to get colossi, but it becomes so hard if they swap to muta since you need to swap to phoenix production and they usually have so many mutas so fast that its so hard to defend.
also its quite frustrating since i feel like i have to micro constantly to avoid significant damage to my own units whereas zerg is just burrow and move attack. I think blinksters + colossi is a must. 90% of my losses probably are a result of really good blink micro and 6-8 colossi. Also warp gate zealot harass is incredibly strong vs this.
Hahaha, I love the term "blinksters" lol. That actually just made my night, Rekatan :D.
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LOL! It's what I've always called them. I think it makes them cuter =P
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I have been messing with swarm hosts vs terran after I watched a few of your reps.
I am having a hard time with bio + mass tanks timings before Vipers.
Do I need mass lings to counter to buy time?
MORE swarm hosts?
swarm hosts + drops so I can keep the terran on this side of the map?
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On April 13 2013 23:57 BuiBui wrote:
I have been messing with swarm hosts vs terran after I watched a few of your reps.
I am having a hard time with bio + mass tanks timings before Vipers.
Do I need mass lings to counter to buy time?
MORE swarm hosts?
swarm hosts + drops so I can keep the terran on this side of the map?
Some replays would be good!
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On April 13 2013 23:57 BuiBui wrote:
I have been messing with swarm hosts vs terran after I watched a few of your reps.
I am having a hard time with bio + mass tanks timings before Vipers.
Do I need mass lings to counter to buy time?
MORE swarm hosts?
swarm hosts + drops so I can keep the terran on this side of the map?
Any time they're into bio you'll want banelings or infestors, rather than vipers. I find on larger maps that muta/baneling/queen will be a strong compliment to your SH, and on smaller 2 player maps you can go straight into infestor with great succcess.
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Actually tried to follow your build exactly as it was on the site here and realized that you left out overlord speed. Just letting you know, Rekatan! Otherwise, very well structured build, I like how the economy works out!
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Woah whoops! Thanks for the heads up John. I'll get that fixed next chance I get to look at the timings
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I just got your replay pack. but i have a question.
What do you do vs void ray openings into collosus, where they just mass these two units essentially with some zealots and do a big push off like 3 bases?
In your vods in the OP in my opinion you face every stargate unit BUT voids lol  and every time i try to use swarm hosts this is the composition i face 
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On April 14 2013 09:32 UltiBahamut wrote:I just got your replay pack. but i have a question. What do you do vs void ray openings into collosus, where they just mass these two units essentially with some zealots and do a big push off like 3 bases? In your vods in the OP in my opinion you face every stargate unit BUT voids lol and every time i try to use swarm hosts this is the composition i face
Since voids are so badly countered by queens, and are really slow to kill locusts, there isn't a lot of challenge to that composition. If they're going from void straight into colossus they typically don't live long enough for the transition to be completed. If I run into it again I'll record a video of it, but I don't see it too terribly often - they typically move out of voids once they see my queen count.
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I guess i just need to work on my transfuses then lol. Thanks.
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On April 14 2013 12:50 UltiBahamut wrote:
I guess i just need to work on my transfuses then lol. Thanks.
I agree. As long as you're nailing your transfuses, a few high-energy queens should pretty much demolish an equal number of void rays (unless we're about like 10+), but even then....
I've had mixed success with this strategy, most notably against players who decide to do these weird gateway timings with MsC...messes up the contain a little bit, but it seems possible to deal with it as long as you deflect it with some SH micro and destroy any hidden proxy pylons. I don't seem to get to vipers very much; most Protoss players I've played fall apart during the contain lol.
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Those were really entertaining games. Please keep developing this SH style, it looks so fun.
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I agree. As long as you're nailing your transfuses, a few high-energy queens should pretty much demolish an equal number of void rays (unless we're about like 10+), but even then....
I ran that on unit tester, 20 queens can handle 20 voids with practically no losses, as long as voids focus fire the queens, because it is so so so much easier to spam transfuse on a single queen, and nearly impossible if half your queens are taking damage at the same time (keep in mind that in this case most transfuses will do overhealing so you will run out of energy very quickly).
I don't seem to get to vipers very much; most Protoss players I've played fall apart during the contain lol.
Actually I found vipers to be extremely important to have if they try to transition into collosi (which they will most likely do when they see your SH numbers). If you get them too late, the collosi mass will simply walk over you.
What do you do if they transition into tempest? Queens are pretty useless against those, as they simply get oneshot with no chance for transfuse, and if they can hold the locust off long enough for tempests to chew through your queen/hydra, there is no way to stop them with this comp. Should I drop a spire and be ready to mass corruptors when I see a fleet beacon? They should do fine vs carries too.
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