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DjayEl
Profile Joined August 2010
France252 Posts
August 10 2013 21:30 GMT
#461
Hi Blade, I'm very fond of ZvP upgraded ling-centric builds and I wonder if you would add a section about them in the new guide you are preparing?

Btw I'm very looking forward to put my eyes on it! Thank your for the hard work.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
August 10 2013 21:39 GMT
#462
On August 11 2013 06:30 DjayEl wrote:
Hi Blade, I'm very fond of ZvP upgraded ling-centric builds and I wonder if you would add a section about them in the new guide you are preparing?

Btw I'm very looking forward to put my eyes on it! Thank your for the hard work.


I have a new guide written, tbh I don't remember if I put that style or not in there, I am going to say I probably didn't and might add it after releasing. I'll think about it I never play it so I dont' think I wrote it down.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Natureboy
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden85 Posts
August 11 2013 20:42 GMT
#463
On August 11 2013 06:39 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 06:30 DjayEl wrote:
Hi Blade, I'm very fond of ZvP upgraded ling-centric builds and I wonder if you would add a section about them in the new guide you are preparing?

Btw I'm very looking forward to put my eyes on it! Thank your for the hard work.


I have a new guide written, tbh I don't remember if I put that style or not in there, I am going to say I probably didn't and might add it after releasing. I'll think about it I never play it so I dont' think I wrote it down.


Oh Jesus Christ Mary Joseph Holy Father! A new Blade guide incoming!? You are the man!
Snitzelslice
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2 Posts
August 16 2013 22:41 GMT
#464
When is the new guide coming? I can't wait any longer, I need it! :D
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
August 16 2013 23:42 GMT
#465
On August 17 2013 07:41 Snitzelslice wrote:
When is the new guide coming? I can't wait any longer, I need it! :D


Hopefully very soon just have some clarifications before I officially release it. I would like to do it this weekend, but we shall see where that leads. I will not go any later then next week though for sure.
When I think of something else, something will go here
DjayEl
Profile Joined August 2010
France252 Posts
August 17 2013 00:54 GMT
#466
Thanks Blade, we are so looking forward to it

I hope you can teach me how to deal with this 4M parade before I rip my head off of frustration
emathey
Profile Joined July 2013
10 Posts
August 17 2013 01:48 GMT
#467
Day9 Daily 613 Life vs Jjaki sets you up for an attack at ~11-12 minutes with a bunch of ling/baneling and gives you a chance to win/put the terran way behind before all of their production kicks in that fuels their 4m parade.
DjayEl
Profile Joined August 2010
France252 Posts
August 17 2013 08:52 GMT
#468
On August 17 2013 10:48 emathey wrote:
Day9 Daily 613 Life vs Jjaki sets you up for an attack at ~11-12 minutes with a bunch of ling/baneling and gives you a chance to win/put the terran way behind before all of their production kicks in that fuels their 4m parade.


I know this, but thanks. Problem is, it precisely "gives me a chance", and unless I do creepling damage I will fall behind in upgrades without having accomplished much. It's a cool strat on some maps, but as soon as the 3rd is easily defendable (say, akilon) I can't do anything... Maybe I am not doing this right. When I don't commit to the attack it has no chance to hurt T's economy, if I do I will grind units while he's getting his tech and then suddenly he will push with a (smaller) force but like 6-7 medivacs dans start dropping me and I just dont have the tech to counter him and my tier3 upgrades will ve much more delayed than his.
Decendos
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1341 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-17 09:55:43
August 17 2013 09:37 GMT
#469
On August 17 2013 17:52 DjayEl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 10:48 emathey wrote:
Day9 Daily 613 Life vs Jjaki sets you up for an attack at ~11-12 minutes with a bunch of ling/baneling and gives you a chance to win/put the terran way behind before all of their production kicks in that fuels their 4m parade.


I know this, but thanks. Problem is, it precisely "gives me a chance", and unless I do creepling damage I will fall behind in upgrades without having accomplished much. It's a cool strat on some maps, but as soon as the 3rd is easily defendable (say, akilon) I can't do anything... Maybe I am not doing this right. When I don't commit to the attack it has no chance to hurt T's economy, if I do I will grind units while he's getting his tech and then suddenly he will push with a (smaller) force but like 6-7 medivacs dans start dropping me and I just dont have the tech to counter him and my tier3 upgrades will ve much more delayed than his.


actually you get +2 +2 (just rewatched VOD: life starts it instantly after +1 +1 is done so even before his attack!) with it so you dont delay your upgrades at all + since you wont have gasheavy mutas you even are able to get IP + hive for +3 +3. but yes without doing some damage you will get a problem since you cant kill medivacs and if he manages to get up to 10+ mines you will have an even bigger problem.

imo the best way to do it is to do the first attack, reinforce it and after the reinforcements decide if you can kill him or not. if not: 1 round of drones, get 4th, 5. + 6. gas and IP + some spores for drops.

from there: either ultras or some SHs or infestors or mutas depending on map, damage dealt etc.
DjayEl
Profile Joined August 2010
France252 Posts
August 17 2013 17:03 GMT
#470
On August 17 2013 18:37 Decendos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 17:52 DjayEl wrote:
On August 17 2013 10:48 emathey wrote:
Day9 Daily 613 Life vs Jjaki sets you up for an attack at ~11-12 minutes with a bunch of ling/baneling and gives you a chance to win/put the terran way behind before all of their production kicks in that fuels their 4m parade.


I know this, but thanks. Problem is, it precisely "gives me a chance", and unless I do creepling damage I will fall behind in upgrades without having accomplished much. It's a cool strat on some maps, but as soon as the 3rd is easily defendable (say, akilon) I can't do anything... Maybe I am not doing this right. When I don't commit to the attack it has no chance to hurt T's economy, if I do I will grind units while he's getting his tech and then suddenly he will push with a (smaller) force but like 6-7 medivacs dans start dropping me and I just dont have the tech to counter him and my tier3 upgrades will ve much more delayed than his.


actually you get +2 +2 (just rewatched VOD: life starts it instantly after +1 +1 is done so even before his attack!) with it so you dont delay your upgrades at all + since you wont have gasheavy mutas you even are able to get IP + hive for +3 +3. but yes without doing some damage you will get a problem since you cant kill medivacs and if he manages to get up to 10+ mines you will have an even bigger problem.

imo the best way to do it is to do the first attack, reinforce it and after the reinforcements decide if you can kill him or not. if not: 1 round of drones, get 4th, 5. + 6. gas and IP + some spores for drops.

from there: either ultras or some SHs or infestors or mutas depending on map, damage dealt etc.


I'll try, but how do I attack against well defended 3rd bases like the one one Akilon? Do you think this strategy is still viable?
Decendos
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1341 Posts
August 17 2013 18:06 GMT
#471
On August 18 2013 02:03 DjayEl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 18:37 Decendos wrote:
On August 17 2013 17:52 DjayEl wrote:
On August 17 2013 10:48 emathey wrote:
Day9 Daily 613 Life vs Jjaki sets you up for an attack at ~11-12 minutes with a bunch of ling/baneling and gives you a chance to win/put the terran way behind before all of their production kicks in that fuels their 4m parade.


I know this, but thanks. Problem is, it precisely "gives me a chance", and unless I do creepling damage I will fall behind in upgrades without having accomplished much. It's a cool strat on some maps, but as soon as the 3rd is easily defendable (say, akilon) I can't do anything... Maybe I am not doing this right. When I don't commit to the attack it has no chance to hurt T's economy, if I do I will grind units while he's getting his tech and then suddenly he will push with a (smaller) force but like 6-7 medivacs dans start dropping me and I just dont have the tech to counter him and my tier3 upgrades will ve much more delayed than his.


actually you get +2 +2 (just rewatched VOD: life starts it instantly after +1 +1 is done so even before his attack!) with it so you dont delay your upgrades at all + since you wont have gasheavy mutas you even are able to get IP + hive for +3 +3. but yes without doing some damage you will get a problem since you cant kill medivacs and if he manages to get up to 10+ mines you will have an even bigger problem.

imo the best way to do it is to do the first attack, reinforce it and after the reinforcements decide if you can kill him or not. if not: 1 round of drones, get 4th, 5. + 6. gas and IP + some spores for drops.

from there: either ultras or some SHs or infestors or mutas depending on map, damage dealt etc.


I'll try, but how do I attack against well defended 3rd bases like the one one Akilon? Do you think this strategy is still viable?


well life did it on belshir but i pretty much do it on every map with good success. if they dont have tanks its definetly possible to also do this on akilon. if you see massive defense...just contain them a bit, get your 4th and SHs which are very awesome to defend 4 bases on akilon pretty easily. akilon has a very big area in front of the natural so its not easy to break your contain.

but its definetly easier on maps like belshir or whirlwind where you have an entrance to the natural and 3rd. but remember that lifes push is designed to gain the momentum and not let him get the 3 base rally with mass WMs rolling. you dont need to kill him. if this gives you breathing room to get a 4th + hive + denying his 4th thats pretty much all you need and its exactly what is so hard if you play the standard 3 base muta instead of 5 hatch ling bane of life.
CygNus X-1
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada169 Posts
August 25 2013 17:01 GMT
#472
On August 17 2013 08:42 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 07:41 Snitzelslice wrote:
When is the new guide coming? I can't wait any longer, I need it! :D


Hopefully very soon just have some clarifications before I officially release it. I would like to do it this weekend, but we shall see where that leads. I will not go any later then next week though for sure.


So Blade about that guide.... Haha lookin forward to it from coming off a couple month break from sc2, this will help a lot.
Attention all Planets of the Solar Federation: We have assumed control.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
August 25 2013 17:09 GMT
#473
On August 26 2013 02:01 CygNus X-1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 08:42 blade55555 wrote:
On August 17 2013 07:41 Snitzelslice wrote:
When is the new guide coming? I can't wait any longer, I need it! :D


Hopefully very soon just have some clarifications before I officially release it. I would like to do it this weekend, but we shall see where that leads. I will not go any later then next week though for sure.


So Blade about that guide.... Haha lookin forward to it from coming off a couple month break from sc2, this will help a lot.


I'm trying to get it out this week. Or I will just post it if not we'll see xD
When I think of something else, something will go here
DjayEl
Profile Joined August 2010
France252 Posts
August 25 2013 17:48 GMT
#474
BLAAAAAAAAAAADE!!!!! I'm so looking forward.....

Come on bro', I'm sure its perfet already, just post it I can wait man, come on! :p
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
August 25 2013 19:16 GMT
#475
On August 26 2013 02:48 DjayEl wrote:
BLAAAAAAAAAAADE!!!!! I'm so looking forward.....

Come on bro', I'm sure its perfet already, just post it I can wait man, come on! :p


It's not my fault it's not released T_T.
When I think of something else, something will go here
delaydackel
Profile Joined May 2011
6 Posts
August 25 2013 19:59 GMT
#476
On August 26 2013 04:16 blade55555 wrote:

It's not my fault it's not released T_T.


Whose fault is it? *sharpens pitchfork*

All joking aside, I'm sooo excited!
DarkOwnage
Profile Joined April 2013
United States13 Posts
August 25 2013 20:18 GMT
#477
Seriously, I have been waiting close to a month now :x. This is the EXACT reasons why companies do not release commitment dates lol.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
August 25 2013 20:23 GMT
#478
On August 26 2013 05:18 DarkOwnage wrote:
Seriously, I have been waiting close to a month now :x. This is the EXACT reasons why companies do not release commitment dates lol.


Well I let myself get convinced to wait lol I don't intend on having this issue again on my next guide.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Lobotomist
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1541 Posts
August 26 2013 16:54 GMT
#479
awwww yiss. new guide incoming, can't wait. So many questions!
Teching to hive too quickly isn't just a risk: it's an ultrarisk
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