The HotS Protoss Help Me Thread - Page 93

On May 15 2013 08:58 hersimp wrote:
Hi fellow protosses. I need some help vs zerg, as i am quite blind in the matchup these days. I am in diamond league on EU, and it pretty much feels like its zerg that are holding me in dia. Was my best MU by far in WOL, so quite so frustrating
Mostly because of mutalisks, and zerg logic i dont really understand.
Atm i think i have about 15-20% winrate vs mutalisk play. In most of the cases i just straight up lose, and if i manage to hold and secure a third base, i eventually lose to the tech that hardcounters all my units. For instance, he delay me so much that when i HAVE to attack, he will eventually kill my stalker, archon, HTs, phoenix with ultra, ling and the rest of his mutas. If i win the first fight, he will clean me up in the end with a sick bank. Im also finding it hard to harass. both since i need to dump minerals in cannons at home, and veeery hard to not get spotted with a WP or probe
So i could really need some inputs on what to do

I have a couple of openings i tend to do wich is the following (always FFE):

-6min SG phoenixes. I move out with about 5. use them to scout, kill queens and overlords and whatever i can. Followed up by 3 more gates, robo, and a third

-+1 4gate harass with adding SG and robo behind it. also build an early sentry to scout for tech

On May 15 2013 20:04 Sated wrote:

Chargelot/Archon/Immortal works pretty well against Ling/Ultralisk assuming you keep on top of your own upgrades. Ensure you focus fire the Immortals on the Ultralisks or you'll have a bad time. You'll eventually want to get Storm later in the game for more reliable AoE damage than Archons can dish out.

On May 15 2013 20:00 swagsurgeon wrote:
Hey hows it going guys. I'm really struggling right now against zergs who will open up either hydra ling, mass speedling, or roach, and just always transition into mutas. I feel its really difficult to know when their going mutas because if u see heavy roach or hydra, and their getting a spire it could easily be corrupters. And we all know that you cant prepare for mutas after they come out, you kinda have to have pheonixes ready or at least have the stargates finished. You would think if you see a heavy commitment to gas, like 15-20 roaches, they wouldnt be able to just go mutas on you, but ive lost so many games thinking that way. Anyone have any ideas as to what I could do? I feel as if theres not much toss can do, simply because you never know whats coming out of that spire, you can guess based off of what they have, but that hasn't gotten me very far.

Its pretty stupid how zerg can throw down 2 techs at the same time, like a hydra den and a spire, and preparing for one will screw you vs the other, and all their committing to is the building, which is just about free.

On May 15 2013 23:59 fdsdfg wrote:
This sounds kinda dumb, but I never really know what to do against a lot of void rays. My instinct is to build stalkers, but they just vaporize.

On May 16 2013 00:13 mortales wrote:
You were right, guys. I was convinced that immortal/archon don't work tbh, but now I realized my fault: I targeted ultralisks using Shift and that was completely wrong. I underrated importance of focusing ultralisks. I knew that it was important, but in fact the difference is sooo big. I didn't notice that focusing with Shift is very inefficiently, I did care about kiting, storming etc but it seems that it's just enough to FF well with immortals. Thanks!

On May 16 2013 00:20 Heartland wrote:


What sort of openings and builds do you use? It's very different if a "a lot of void rays" is six, or if it's sixteen. As someone else said Archons and storm is good. I often open into DT's and get Archon/chargealot after that to do a timing attack. But if the timing fails late game can do well with Archon/Zealot/Storm and then getting some Tempests/VR's if they go for a full air transition. I don't know if it's entirely viable, but for me it's worked out a few times. After all, you can trade pretty efficiently and if you don't win your chargealots can run rampant being faster and with warpins you can overwhelm bases against their post-trading petty skytoss armada.

On May 16 2013 02:03 Teoita wrote:
Oh no as a 2base timing off some kind of expand build; the beauty of that kind of midgame plan is you can do it off basically every opening (gateway aggression, 1gate fe, dt fe, blink into expand). Check out rsvp's replay pack for some games.