The HotS Terran Help Me Thread - Page 336

You are right about the upgrade lead, but I have lost games with 2-2 against 0-0 simply because the zerg droned up so hard that he just overrun me with a great economy and numbers.

On January 20 2015 11:51 creamwolf wrote:
In TvZ, is it possible to open straight bio with lots of rax or is it standard now to get a faster starport for Banshee?

It seems like opening bio is weak vs roach allins versus banshees can defeat any all ins.

Is the earlier rax more beneficial in anyway compared to the banshee? It seems like the banshee can setup harassment and static defense and even force queens out of position so hellions can roast mineral lines.

On February 01 2015 02:48 Spiller wrote:
In TvZ, how do you decide whether to open with 1,2, or 3 reapers before going reactor factory? I tend to go for 1 because my reaper micro isn't great and I like to get hellions/banshees out faster, but I see higher level players often have success going for 2 or sometimes even 3. I know it's probably map dependent somewhat (catallena is a good reaper map for example right?) but are there any other indicators as to tell you how many to make?

On February 01 2015 04:53 Sajaki wrote:


Mostly, yes. Here's some notes, in more detail.

1) Optional, but its a good idea to put the first depot at the ramp on a 2 player map vs protoss, to guarantee he cannot proxygate in your main. The barracks, while well-placed, wouldn't have spotted a probe sent on 6 straight for the hidden part of your main.

2) Your SCV production is pretty inconsistent early game. Furthermore, you over-saturate you main. Remember to set your rally point to your natural after 16 probes on minerals (19 if we keep the gas in mind).

3) Your ebay spends a lot of idle time. This is largely due to forgetting to re-saturate your gas. Also, gas 2 and 3 are too slow. Normally Terrans get gas 2&3 when they throw down their factory. You were a little late and as a result triple-gassed, which isn't as efficient. Additionally, its safe to get the second gas a little quicker than normal if you are going for marauders + concussive, since the gas required otherwise delays your factory.

4) Always build the starport right next to the factory. It has to fly a long way and as a result loses a lot of potential mining time, which is quite important since the starport is usually working overtime trying to balance both medivacs and vikings. The starport also idles a lot, and no second starport gets thrown down resulting in way too few vikings to deal with his colossus.

5) you build 2 ebays but only ever upgrade out of one of them, plus the armory is quite late. Normally you can just get +1 +1 from 1 ebay, throwing down the armory and the second ebay when +1 armor is about 50% complete.

This game was lost mostly due to macro. There were some debatable strategic things to talk about, but the macro is far, far more important when compared to some of the more strategic elements. Just focus on keeping those CCs, rax/ports and ebay(s) constantly active!

On February 02 2015 13:51 Grizvok wrote:
So how are people feeling about Maru and how he likes to forego the Reaper in TvZ and instead get the later gas? I can't recall if I have ever seen him go three cc off of that opener but I believe he has. Regardless this is mostly theory crafting about a build that I would like to test out. Obviously scouting is important in any match up but my main concern with this greedy build is of course any all in that will punish that greed. I know I lose some early map control without the Reaper but in general I do plan to be dilligent with the hellions after 4 are out to help spot the third base timing as well as to deny creep and poke at queens. I like making 8 hellions as I think it helps me out in grabbing stronger map control as well as to give initial pushes more oomph.

Will the extra marines out early be safer than a normal reaper expand into three cc by sacrificing a little scouting and early map control? I also think I gain a lot by having the potential to perhaps snipe an overlord as well as to deny any overlord scouts.

Obviously I love the way Maru normally plays his later gas opener by going for the fast starport and slightly later cc which works out great since he keeps the Zerg at home defending while he macros up. Unfortunately I don't quite think I have the APM and multitasking to pull it off at a high level so I've decided to work on a very macro heavy approach that is focused on a stronger mid game and late game push as opposed to the harass and macro variety.