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Hey guys,
I'm a high master NA, and I'm having some trouble dealing with Protoss late game warp prism harass. I can't find the way to proper control my army to deal with Warp Prism DT / Zealot harass, and its even more disastrous if my oppo goes for multiple hatch DT harass. Is there any secret to better deal with this kind of harassment, such as expect the timing protoss player often goes for Warp Prism harass, or which kind of defense / detection should I need ? Mass spine / spore should be the answer, but how to build it properly?
Thanks
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On March 11 2013 15:30 hunterxx wrote:
Hey guys,
I'm a high master NA, and I'm having some trouble dealing with Protoss late game warp prism harass. I can't find the way to proper control my army to deal with Warp Prism DT / Zealot harass, and its even more disastrous if my oppo goes for multiple hatch DT harass. Is there any secret to better deal with this kind of harassment, such as expect the timing protoss player often goes for Warp Prism harass, or which kind of defense / detection should I need ? Mass spine / spore should be the answer, but how to build it properly?
Thanks
Hmm So in the mid game, most zergs power drones to 80+ (If they're not severely behind their opponent). The reason they do this is so that, in the late game, they are able to place down multiple spines/spores at each base.
That being said, Zealot/DT trades decently well against spines. I would suggest getting overlord speed and placing overlords around the map in good positions. Also, if you went for a muta-based mid game, try to keep 4-5 of them alive. These are ideal for catching speed warp prisms. If you didn't go for a muta-based mid game, don't worry! Just use good overlord positioning and make sure to split up your units well. Don't just 1a2a to the location, manually select ~10 roaches (or whatever is mobile) and send them to the trouble spot. Do note that deselecting 1 corruper from your corrupter ball (that most zerg compositions have) and targetting the warp prism is a good way to cut down on prisms staying alive for more than 1 round of warp ins.
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hi there. im a former gold terran player and I've decided to switch to zerg, i still don't have Hots and i think that i won't be able to get it until at least the end of this month. how can i learn zerg in wol a way that doesn't require me to re learn it in hots and do u recommend that i start learning one match up at a time ( like play ZvT only with terran friends) or is it better to learn it all together ?
any other race switching advice is appreciated
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On March 12 2013 03:54 darkphantom wrote:
hi there. im a former gold terran player and I've decided to switch to zerg, i still don't have Hots and i think that i won't be able to get it until at least the end of this month. how can i learn zerg in wol a way that doesn't require me to re learn it in hots and do u recommend that i start learning one match up at a time ( like play ZvT only with terran friends) or is it better to learn it all together ?
any other race switching advice is appreciated
The best way to learn zerg until you get hots would be not to do mass infestor play (this isn't very viable in hots thank god). In zvt play muta/ling/bane, in zvz play muta into whatever you feel like (most zvz's in hots are muta wars but in wol that is obviously not the case).
In zvp just play mutalisk since you can't really go swarmhosts. I would just ladder as zerg but if you have friends that always helps 
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lol yh as u said thanks god mass infestors is dying i just hare fungals ^^
thanks for quick reply
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Can u post general safe openers against all match ups pls with notes if any ?
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On March 12 2013 04:16 darkphantom wrote:
Can u post general safe openers against all match ups pls with notes if any ?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=401063
ZvZ is 99% the same, and the other 2 matchup's initial build orders will do fine for you. Even the mid games are viable - but the guide loses purpose when you get to the later stages.
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A good opening for ZvZ would mean the world to me. I have a very hard time in the match up and I feel it revolves around my unfamiliarity with the match up. I don't a good opener and if a player could give me one that gives me the option to be aggressive and defensive that would be great. I definitely need the gas timing if that's okay. Thank you all for your time doing this. It truly shows how great the community is.
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On March 12 2013 03:58 blade55555 wrote:
In zvp just play mutalisk since you can't really go swarmhosts.
:x I keep dying to phoenixes when I attempt this. Any advice for dealing with that?
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On March 13 2013 14:17 Indrium wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 03:58 blade55555 wrote:
In zvp just play mutalisk since you can't really go swarmhosts. :x I keep dying to phoenixes when I attempt this. Any advice for dealing with that?
Well if you aren't playing hots and you really don't want to play wol style I guess you could try corruptor/muta or hydra into muta xD
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On March 13 2013 14:24 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 14:17 Indrium wrote:On March 12 2013 03:58 blade55555 wrote:
In zvp just play mutalisk since you can't really go swarmhosts. :x I keep dying to phoenixes when I attempt this. Any advice for dealing with that? Well if you aren't playing hots and you really don't want to play wol style I guess you could try corruptor/muta or hydra into muta xD
Oh hell I can't read lol >< sorry
I'm trying to do muta as an alternative to swarm hosts in hots, I meant, but keep dying to phoenixs, then if I try corruptors VRs just eat them. Is swarm host the only viable option at this point?
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Hi! I'm a low to mid level masters Zerg player. And i need help vs toss early 5 phoenix pressure. They come out so quickly and pick so many queens off it really delays my production and gets me flustered. Then comes the 8 gate all in or quick collsous after i over produce on hydra. Spores really dont do that much vs the Phoenix i feel. If you can just give me any advice to deal with the overall pressure this does that would be great.
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What's an easy way to deal with widow mine drops if you're not good enough to watch the minimap perfectly yet? E.g. against old drops I'd just place one or two spines which at least delay the drop a bit and give me time to quickly micro drones away until my units arrive there.
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On March 13 2013 15:06 Indrium wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 14:24 blade55555 wrote:On March 13 2013 14:17 Indrium wrote:On March 12 2013 03:58 blade55555 wrote:
In zvp just play mutalisk since you can't really go swarmhosts. :x I keep dying to phoenixes when I attempt this. Any advice for dealing with that? Well if you aren't playing hots and you really don't want to play wol style I guess you could try corruptor/muta or hydra into muta xD Oh hell I can't read lol >< sorry I'm trying to do muta as an alternative to swarm hosts in hots, I meant, but keep dying to phoenixs, then if I try corruptors VRs just eat them. Is swarm host the only viable option at this point?
Well imo it's the best way to play since muta play is easily countered and most protosses make phoenix. You could do roach/hydra -> fast viper but I feel swarmhost is stronger.
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On March 14 2013 03:14 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 15:06 Indrium wrote:On March 13 2013 14:24 blade55555 wrote:On March 13 2013 14:17 Indrium wrote:On March 12 2013 03:58 blade55555 wrote:
In zvp just play mutalisk since you can't really go swarmhosts. :x I keep dying to phoenixes when I attempt this. Any advice for dealing with that? Well if you aren't playing hots and you really don't want to play wol style I guess you could try corruptor/muta or hydra into muta xD Oh hell I can't read lol >< sorry I'm trying to do muta as an alternative to swarm hosts in hots, I meant, but keep dying to phoenixs, then if I try corruptors VRs just eat them. Is swarm host the only viable option at this point? Well imo it's the best way to play since muta play is easily countered and most protosses make phoenix. You could do roach/hydra -> fast viper but I feel swarmhost is stronger.
Alright thanks for the advice <3
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On March 14 2013 05:29 Indrium wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 03:14 blade55555 wrote:On March 13 2013 15:06 Indrium wrote:On March 13 2013 14:24 blade55555 wrote:On March 13 2013 14:17 Indrium wrote:On March 12 2013 03:58 blade55555 wrote:
In zvp just play mutalisk since you can't really go swarmhosts. :x I keep dying to phoenixes when I attempt this. Any advice for dealing with that? Well if you aren't playing hots and you really don't want to play wol style I guess you could try corruptor/muta or hydra into muta xD Oh hell I can't read lol >< sorry I'm trying to do muta as an alternative to swarm hosts in hots, I meant, but keep dying to phoenixs, then if I try corruptors VRs just eat them. Is swarm host the only viable option at this point? Well imo it's the best way to play since muta play is easily countered and most protosses make phoenix. You could do roach/hydra -> fast viper but I feel swarmhost is stronger. Alright thanks for the advice <3
I kind of disagree, heavily. If you can scout that your opponent has not gone for stargate (is fairly easy now - some players even get overlord speed on hatchery tech) then going for a mutalisk based game is very, very strong. Mutalisks are much more effective now at sucking up splash - even storms - when harassing b/c they back out of the area quickly. So, even when Protoss gets storm out, it does not prevent the zerg player from harassing them. Add to this the utility of going for mutalisks and then teching to utlralisks (which are better now), and mutalisks are still a dominant mid-late game strategy for zerg. This is all assuming that your protoss friend hasn't gone stargate initially, however. If they have, stay away from muta (even 1 stargate pheonix production will SHRED mutalisks b/c of 5 range)
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On March 14 2013 05:34 Glon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 05:29 Indrium wrote:On March 14 2013 03:14 blade55555 wrote:On March 13 2013 15:06 Indrium wrote:On March 13 2013 14:24 blade55555 wrote:On March 13 2013 14:17 Indrium wrote:On March 12 2013 03:58 blade55555 wrote:
In zvp just play mutalisk since you can't really go swarmhosts. :x I keep dying to phoenixes when I attempt this. Any advice for dealing with that? Well if you aren't playing hots and you really don't want to play wol style I guess you could try corruptor/muta or hydra into muta xD Oh hell I can't read lol >< sorry I'm trying to do muta as an alternative to swarm hosts in hots, I meant, but keep dying to phoenixs, then if I try corruptors VRs just eat them. Is swarm host the only viable option at this point? Well imo it's the best way to play since muta play is easily countered and most protosses make phoenix. You could do roach/hydra -> fast viper but I feel swarmhost is stronger. Alright thanks for the advice <3 I kind of disagree, heavily. If you can scout that your opponent has not gone for stargate (is fairly easy now - some players even get overlord speed on hatchery tech) then going for a mutalisk based game is very, very strong. Mutalisks are much more effective now at sucking up splash - even storms - when harassing b/c they back out of the area quickly. So, even when Protoss gets storm out, it does not prevent the zerg player from harassing them. Add to this the utility of going for mutalisks and then teching to utlralisks (which are better now), and mutalisks are still a dominant mid-late game strategy for zerg. This is all assuming that your protoss friend hasn't gone stargate initially, however. If they have, stay away from muta (even 1 stargate pheonix production will SHRED mutalisks b/c of 5 range)
Hmm alright, lots of stuff to consider. Thanks a bunch Glon! ^^
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On March 14 2013 05:34 Glon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 05:29 Indrium wrote:On March 14 2013 03:14 blade55555 wrote:On March 13 2013 15:06 Indrium wrote:On March 13 2013 14:24 blade55555 wrote:On March 13 2013 14:17 Indrium wrote:On March 12 2013 03:58 blade55555 wrote:
In zvp just play mutalisk since you can't really go swarmhosts. :x I keep dying to phoenixes when I attempt this. Any advice for dealing with that? Well if you aren't playing hots and you really don't want to play wol style I guess you could try corruptor/muta or hydra into muta xD Oh hell I can't read lol >< sorry I'm trying to do muta as an alternative to swarm hosts in hots, I meant, but keep dying to phoenixs, then if I try corruptors VRs just eat them. Is swarm host the only viable option at this point? Well imo it's the best way to play since muta play is easily countered and most protosses make phoenix. You could do roach/hydra -> fast viper but I feel swarmhost is stronger. Alright thanks for the advice <3 I kind of disagree, heavily. If you can scout that your opponent has not gone for stargate (is fairly easy now - some players even get overlord speed on hatchery tech) then going for a mutalisk based game is very, very strong. Mutalisks are much more effective now at sucking up splash - even storms - when harassing b/c they back out of the area quickly. So, even when Protoss gets storm out, it does not prevent the zerg player from harassing them. Add to this the utility of going for mutalisks and then teching to utlralisks (which are better now), and mutalisks are still a dominant mid-late game strategy for zerg. This is all assuming that your protoss friend hasn't gone stargate initially, however. If they have, stay away from muta (even 1 stargate pheonix production will SHRED mutalisks b/c of 5 range)
I agree with you I was responding to what to do vs pheonix. Mutalisks are very strong vs non stargate play, but when they go stargate I was saying he shouldn't go mutalisks when they are going phoenix .
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On March 11 2013 09:50 Veriol wrote:
I noticed this trend among P players that they usually dont scout or scout late with their probe. When I dont see probe normal timing I assume its gateway expand and go hatch, pool opener.
Is this trend something you can confirm? and is it even safe to assume such thing? Would you assume and do something like this in your games?
Also I noticed MC yesterday vs Life did this 15forge opener with late scout (as if he was trying to bait Life into hatch first and collecting easy win).
Now Im kinda sure this is a thing, so the question would be "Is it even worth it trying hatch first or is pool/hatch/gas as good and even safer" ?
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Hello I am a top platinum player in Wol and only a gold player in hots so far. I am pretty bad at comparing and evaluating strengths and weaknesses on maps ._. As a general question, what maps for 1v1 in hots are generally the weakest for zergs?( and what things to look for in maps) I would like to have idea about which maps to check so I play on them less often.
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