[G] An Overview of the Zerg Match-ups - Page 4

On March 09 2013 22:09 osiris17 wrote:
I only read a very small part of this, then I stopped, because I saw this::
"If you are going for a mutalisk opener, I would suggest not spreading any creep past connecting your natural to third until after your initial harassment. Most players that go for a mutalisk play end up dieing to an all in from their opponent - Spreading creep in this situation only helps your opponent get to you sooner."
But this just doesn't make sense, it's flat out wrong. The minor timing increase (maybe 3 seconds maximum at this time) from your spreading creep that your opponent gains while doing an allin is totally insignificant compared to the vision and map presence the creep spread allows you throughout the mid and late game, especially in muta vs muta wars where map presence / knowing where your opponents are is EVERYTHING. If you are dying this badly to allins, focus more on dealing with the allins instead of cutting out your creep spread in what is a totally unnecessary and ineffective adjustment. I'd like to know what allin you're afraid of, too. High econ banelings? Roach bust? I'm gona guess high econ banelings. You will have the gas to make a ton of banelings yourself... with proper micro you should be able to defend it. Work on micro / crisis management. Here are a few tips:
-have 2 zerglings pre-built at your natural, ready to be morphed into banelings
-send your banelings forward 2 at a time along with just a couple lings and push the opponent back, gain position
-continuously be morphing banelings
-spread the banelings out in pairs in a defensive position
-build another crawler in anticipation of your crawler dying
-don't overproduce mass lings, but produce a ton of banes instead off 3 gas (which you should have by now)
-take your 2nd & 3rd gas if you don't already have them
-Add a queen in the main when you pull your main queen down to the natural, so that you can keep up on injects, and expecting at least 1 queen to die
-position overlords over where the opponent will be morphing / is morphing his banelings for the vision
-If you are low on gas at the time he moves out with alot of speedlings, cancel your lair and use the 75 gas you get to morph 3 more of them. The initial phase is the most important
-If you have 12 drones on 4 gas geysers because you were teching to mutas, use the gas to create even more banes during the attacks while producing only small groups of extra speedlings and, because of how larva efficient banelings are, you can actually continue to squeeze drones out.
-When your money goes above 300, remember to make a macro hatch in your base.
-The high econ bane attacks are much more effective against fast lair / faster gas versions of muta tech. There are versions with a slower lair which get adequate numbers of mutas out, more defensively at first, but these versions can take the 3rd more easily as well, but also fare better against the bane pressure.

You are ahead in drones.

On March 12 2013 22:51 Skoop wrote:
Thanks so much for this. I've been getting shit on since hots released, this was very helpful.

Edit: My only issue is the exclusion of strategy vs widowmines. I find I'm having a lot of trouble with the zvt 2base push of widowmine medivac + bio. Or the slightly more delayed version which also has battle hellions. Even when I know it's coming, I don't seem to have the right units.

On March 13 2013 19:54 FlattLine wrote:
sorry to be off topic but is there a way to 'favorite' threads like these so I can look at them closer at a later time?

It's great posts like these that force me to ask this!

On March 18 2013 10:03 kuruptt wrote:
Hello, I currently want to switch back to zerg after getting bored of the protoss race. I haven't bought HOTS yet and want to practice with WOL zerg before I switch over. Are these currently the best safest build orders for zergs in WOL? Should I be trying to perfect each matchup strategy in this guide? Thank you!

On March 25 2013 14:25 kuruptt wrote:
Hey glon, what 3 maps should I be voting against?

On March 26 2013 07:57 kuruptt wrote:


Oops sorry, I am still playing Wings of Liberty. It doesn't have those maps. Is there a place where I can find the win loss ratio for zergs for certain maps?

On April 01 2013 09:07 kuruptt wrote:


Haha, I am only platinum right now but the ques are actually still the same, I used to main protoss and want to switch to zerg in HOTS so practicing in WOL first =D.

I have some questions, for ZVP what is the difference between 15p/16h and 14p/15h?

For ZvT I am having a lot of trouble with mech play, how do I go up against that? what units should I be making? How do I properly scout it when he kills all my overlord so I can't go into his base to check? I am usually just going ling/baneling/muta into ultralisks which has been doing wonders to bio army but not mech. I have no answer to mech at the moment.


Thanks for taking your time to check up on this thread and replying pretty quickly, I know everyone has moved into HOTS so I appreciate the effort man!