nice work. I think this have been known from half a year into the game that there is differences in gasmining, for example xelnaga had some issues with that, but not how much or exactly which maps. Very good work. You can look at the map section of this thread in the beginning of each game and pick the best gases and in some cases mine with 4 workers.

Very good work.

Prophecy3

Canada223 Posts

October 28 2012 18:07 GMT

#165

That was an epic read, you're a gentlemen and a philosopher, keep up the good work man, I hope blizz and pros listen to this and step it up a notch.

Your other works are impressive as well, don't stop the SC Analysis!

claybones

United States244 Posts

October 28 2012 18:11 GMT

#166

Great topic, quality research and excellent presentation. I hope this gets some attention from Blizzard.

Edit: You should post this on Bnet forums

Riquiz

Netherlands402 Posts

October 28 2012 18:46 GMT

#167

Wonderful read! Thank you for commiting so much time and thank you for the knowledge you share.

SuperYo1000

United States880 Posts

October 28 2012 18:56 GMT

#168

This truely is a quality post, If I had a beta key to give away you would have earned it sir. Have you posted this in the blizzard forums? I would recommend that

KookyMonster

United States311 Posts

October 28 2012 19:07 GMT

#169

Wow this is really cool/interesting. Thanks for taking the time to figure this out!

docvoc

United States5491 Posts

October 28 2012 19:08 GMT

#170

On October 28 2012 16:03 Grubby wrote:
Ok!

Woah grubby you post in blue O.o

Also on the OP> That is insane, thats is an extra stalker at 88 extra gas :O that is crazy, I'm not being sarcastic when I say that can literally turn the tide of battle early game.

fezvez

France3021 Posts

October 28 2012 19:26 GMT

#171

Show nested quote +

I thought no one would give much thought there. Just like you probably did, I made a mathematical model, but I gave up there because experiment looked horrible as you said. Very keen eye on the detail on your part. Thanks.

OK, so I went through the other analysis from 2010. I noticed a number of differences, for example, lack of asymmetry, and slightly different values (the worst spot is at 89% mining rate, as opposed to 92.5% in your case)

I don't believe that the game itself has changed (except perhaps for the "worker mineral trick" patch by Blizzard), so I'd be more inclined to think that the analysis in 2010 was not as thorough. Anyway, it still looks pretty serious (the discrepancy can be explained by the fact that he counted gas mining for only 300 seconds)

The good thing is that he studied what happened when you put 2 workers in a gas (thus, deriving the gas mining of one worker at the same time), and he got the results that the mining rate was between 64 and 79% of the max mining rate (i.e : 1291). Analysing the fact that the worst gas gives you 92.5%, I tend to think that in fact, the mining rate for 2 workers is between 61.6% and 79%.

Anyway, it's not going to change the conclusion, which holds for any spawning position for any map in the current ladder pool :

The important conclusion is that it is always better to split your 4 workers so as to have 2 in each gas. Putting 3 in the closest one, and 1 in the farthest one is inefficient. Always.

At best, by putting 3 in the 1291, and 1 in the worst possible gas, you obtain 130.8% mining rate of a single good gas. By putting 2 in each, you get 79+61.6=140.6%.

Culioz

Canada10 Posts

October 28 2012 19:28 GMT

#172

awesome post

fjjotizz

Sweden153 Posts

October 28 2012 19:33 GMT

#173

Very interesting! Liked it a lot

Atrbyg

United States513 Posts

October 28 2012 19:35 GMT

#174

Amazing post! Thanks for sharing this.

fezvez

France3021 Posts

October 28 2012 19:36 GMT

#175

On October 28 2012 19:10 aTnClouD wrote:
This is very helpful, especially for entombed valley! Thanks a lot for the great research

edit: does anyone have a link to the faster mining mineral patches aswell for every map? Knowing these small aspects of the game well can help a lot in the long run

Yay!

You see, Cloud, you already improved before december =)

Keep up the hard work man!