EPTMarines only cost minerals. They're built from Barracks which incidentally also only cost minerals.
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Elyon
Denmark2 Posts
Marines only cost minerals. They're built from Barracks which incidentally also only cost minerals. Enjoy your ascent | ||
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Antylamon
United States1981 Posts
For example, the steps are not precise enough imo since it doesn't specify when/if you can start mining gas, when/if you can ever start microing, and there's even a typo, as in "unitl." I can always make my own assumptions, but in the mean time, I just want the process to have less room for misinterpretation. | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
I'll put in some more specifics to be clear. | ||
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colonelvirus
United Kingdom42 Posts
On April 18 2013 19:19 htou wrote: I have been casually playing WOLs vs AI for about 3 weeks so im spanking new to the SC2 world. Stumbled on this very interesting thread but im a bit confused. I play terran so at step 1 all i have to do is mine, no gas and attack move. What am i attacking with if i cant build battle units till step 2? SCV's? Ha this is a good point, it doesn't actually say build attacking units, just to mine minerals. As marines are the only attacking unit you can buy exclusively with minerals, build these and a attack. Once you've pass 3/5 games (personally I'm doing 15 games per step) move up to step 2, where you can build marines, or you can start mining gas and build one of the other units. I'm still on marines at the moment, added in upgrades. Once my spending in all 15 games in a row is platinum and above, I'll move on to another unit. I'm overly harsh on myself though. | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
I think it would be more harsh on yourself to get 3/5 GM benchmarks then 15 games in a row Platinum Benchmarks | ||
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Antylamon
United States1981 Posts
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
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Becuula
Germany65 Posts
I really like the layout of the new document. It's much cleaner now. I like the Idea of having given units and buildings. Playing as Protoss without detection or no protection with the NexusCannon is no fun. While using ggtracker I think the Nexus Chronoboost chart is wonderful. A similiar chart for supply blocks would be very nice. The first 4 steps of the Staircase feels the same as before if I use the BattleUnits in order of the sheet. But then I get lost a little bit. Which units to choose? It costs me too much time. For a learning method I need more guidance, less freedom. And I am not sure if there is a fun way not playing with Zealots. I really like the idea of someone to see Zealots as a given unit. Maybe I will continue with a mix of the old and new method for Step5: I choose 4 Units for each round. 3 of them are the basic Gateway Units (Zealot/Stalker/Sentry) and the fourth one is a new battle Unit. I still have my issues with ggtracker. It really confuses me that it automatically puts some of my games in the list. Still don't know which games are shown and which not (because there are not all of my games). Besides the spending skill I get no usefull information about the game. I need at least the opponents name or the information if it was a ladder or custom game. If I click on an automatic game I see no charts. My suggestion would be not to pull games automatically, if it is not possible to pull all games and show all information. Overall I really like principles of TheStaircase and ggracker to improve my mechanics. Thanks for your work! | ||
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htou
Australia11 Posts
On April 20 2013 04:15 colonelvirus wrote: I'm still on marines at the moment, added in upgrades. Once my spending in all 15 games in a row is platinum and above, I'll move on to another unit. I'm overly harsh on myself though. How are you doing upgrades? Don't they need gas? Been playing a couple of times this week using the core and staircase. I can safely say that my game has improved but I can see a lot of flaws (with my game). I think I'll be on step 1 for awhile. Doesn't help that all my games are against the AI due to a horrible connection - dam AI Terran, they shred me every time. | ||
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lomi
France10 Posts
On April 20 2013 17:09 htou wrote: How are you doing upgrades? Don't they need gas? Been playing a couple of times this week using the core and staircase. I can safely say that my game has improved but I can see a lot of flaws (with my game). I think I'll be on step 1 for awhile. Doesn't help that all my games are against the AI due to a horrible connection - dam AI Terran, they shred me every time. You simply don't do them. You have to focus on very basic mechanics : Controle Group, Camera location, use of the keyboard, and very basic macro : saturation, expense. I have done a lot of game against IA at the beginings, it is realy helpful and help to be focused more on the Improvment than on the Win. I had quite hard time to convice me to leave game when i was doing wrong against player. | ||
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htou
Australia11 Posts
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Aterons_toss
Romania1275 Posts
By doing something like marine/med only you are going to the other extreme which i also think is not good, it's better for improvement but you take away almost all strategical thinking which, in my opinion, makes it kinda dull. What people that aren't good should be doing is trying to figure out the game on their own not trying to apply strategies they saw done by very good player vs very good players ( players that sometime play 14+ hours a day and their mechanics allow them to think of the game and to use strategies that even a very good player that isn't playing this game full time wouldn't be able to do ), if you are not able to do that whoever I would think this can be a good method to get better and than focus on strategy. | ||
Josealtron
United States219 Posts
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
You are allowed to do anything you can do with minerals. Since lings and queens cost only minerals, and the spawning pool costs only minerals, then you can build them. On April 21 2013 00:46 Aterons_toss wrote: I think this might be a bit to extreme, but it is true that most people that are bellow plat/diamond and have played over 500-1000 games ( of which there are many ) would never be that way if they stopped thinking about the game like something where pro meta game or very high end meta game can be applied to a level lower than pro or very high with the same results without being able to see the whole picture of that meta game in the first place. By doing something like marine/med only you are going to the other extreme which i also think is not good, it's better for improvement but you take away almost all strategical thinking which, in my opinion, makes it kinda dull. What people that aren't good should be doing is trying to figure out the game on their own not trying to apply strategies they saw done by very good player vs very good players ( players that sometime play 14+ hours a day and their mechanics allow them to think of the game and to use strategies that even a very good player that isn't playing this game full time wouldn't be able to do ), if you are not able to do that whoever I would think this can be a good method to get better and than focus on strategy. Keep in mind that marine/medivac only doesn't last forever, its just the beginning. It gives a framework for the player to understand the basics of economy technology and army, and other general strategic things by exploring them in game rather than being told to do a certain build or strategy without understanding why. TheStaircase is designed to start someone out that has never played Sc2 before and build a strong foundation for them so that they can understand the game more completely. Also, the first couple of steps are insanely fun and hilarious and help take the edge off of ladder anxiety and put the focus more towards having fun while improving at the game. On April 20 2013 16:12 Becuula wrote: After a longer SC2 break I wanted to restart playing with TheStaircase. Here is my feedback I really like the layout of the new document. It's much cleaner now. I like the Idea of having given units and buildings. Playing as Protoss without detection or no protection with the NexusCannon is no fun. While using ggtracker I think the Nexus Chronoboost chart is wonderful. A similiar chart for supply blocks would be very nice. The first 4 steps of the Staircase feels the same as before if I use the BattleUnits in order of the sheet. But then I get lost a little bit. Which units to choose? It costs me too much time. For a learning method I need more guidance, less freedom. And I am not sure if there is a fun way not playing with Zealots. I really like the idea of someone to see Zealots as a given unit. Maybe I will continue with a mix of the old and new method for Step5: I choose 4 Units for each round. 3 of them are the basic Gateway Units (Zealot/Stalker/Sentry) and the fourth one is a new battle Unit. I still have my issues with ggtracker. It really confuses me that it automatically puts some of my games in the list. Still don't know which games are shown and which not (because there are not all of my games). Besides the spending skill I get no usefull information about the game. I need at least the opponents name or the information if it was a ladder or custom game. If I click on an automatic game I see no charts. My suggestion would be not to pull games automatically, if it is not possible to pull all games and show all information. Overall I really like principles of TheStaircase and ggracker to improve my mechanics. Thanks for your work! For TheStaircase 6.0 we will have new statistics for ggtracker. Spending and Race Macro are already there, but we will also have Saturation and Supply benchmarks/metrics I definitely like the idea of keeping the mineral only unit as a given unit. For terran should I include the hellion/hellbat? | ||
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lomi
France10 Posts
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ExKkaMaGui
75 Posts
On October 10 2012 06:49 ishyishy wrote: Ok so wait...are you spouting all this macro nonsense in an attempt to argue with me about something? lol Look, if forcing yourself to play and stressing yourself over improvement is your way of enjoying the game, then by all means keep doing it. Like i said, enjoyment is the only thing that matters at the end of the day. If you know anyone that improves at a game or a hobby or a sport by hating it and being frustrated over it with no enjoyment, please let me know, id like to meet this person lol. Actually, as weird as it may seem, I dont like what I do although I dont hate it, but I put it a lot of time and I improve. I wont mention what it is because its personal. | ||
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Josealtron
United States219 Posts
. Hitting Step 2 now! | ||
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Antylamon
United States1981 Posts
On April 21 2013 07:18 ExKkaMaGui wrote: Actually, as weird as it may seem, I dont like what I do although I dont hate it, but I put it a lot of time and I improve. I wont mention what it is because its personal. You're responding to a half-year-old post. :I | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
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Tennet
United States1458 Posts
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