EPT[D] Analyzing Flash's ability to use the keyboard - Page 3
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JuiceBoxHero
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worldpeace30
United States106 Posts
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xrapture
United States1644 Posts
On September 26 2012 17:01 worldpeace30 wrote: dude, how the hell can you press 1 with your middle finger and a with your ring finger? How about having a big hand... 1 + a most likely is not even a challenge for Flash when he's pressing 1 and z http://i.imgur.com/X1fkv.jpg (04 seconds into video) No possible way I could ever do that, but I do have smaller hands. I'm 6'3. I'm sure my hands are bigger than a 5 foot 7 korean's. It just seems really really awkward and like it would cause wrist problems, but i guess he's used to it obviously. | ||
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kinsky
Germany368 Posts
On September 26 2012 06:20 nebula. wrote: LOL! WTF?! | ||
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covetousrat
2109 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On September 26 2012 18:48 covetousrat wrote: Flash hand inst so big to be honest. and i personally feels that his play is still quite slow compared to ppl like losira Of course; Flash was never about insane speeds, but more about understanding and solid decision-making. That isn't to say he's not fast, because he sure as heck is. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5220 Posts
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bgalang92
United States155 Posts
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Mahtasooma
Germany475 Posts
On September 25 2012 23:56 worldpeace30 wrote: I was kind of curious if his hand size gives him a slight edge over smaller handed people like myself? I'd say Flash definitely has an edge over you one way or another :-D But I'd say hitting 1 and 5 with pointy and middle finger is rather irrelevant. Where'd your other fingers go anyway? If your middle is on 1, what would your ringfinger possibly be for? | ||
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worldpeace30
United States106 Posts
On September 26 2012 20:03 Mahtasooma wrote: I'd say Flash definitely has an edge over you one way or another :-D But I'd say hitting 1 and 5 with pointy and middle finger is rather irrelevant. Where'd your other fingers go anyway? If your middle is on 1, what would your ringfinger possibly be for? I'm not sure if you use Standard but every hotkey setup has its strengths and slight weakness. Standard is really easy to macro immaculately by tapping but then you usually have to move your finger down to buld SCV. If on the other hand you never have to move your hand down from the control groups but have a finger resting at all times on the build SCV location, and you're good, imagine how good your macro can be... And Flash's is known for his macro. I just saw him play vs Last on starleague and his scv production while even in battle was perfect... perfect one after the other without queing even while in battle. It's harder to build scvs 24/7 when an extra finger is required to use control groups. | ||
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Aando
1304 Posts
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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
On September 26 2012 15:46 JackReacher wrote: Losira (Flash either) doesnt have that big of hands... on my DT35 with my palm below the space bar I can reach my fingers over the top of the keyboard and pick it up one-handed, and I'm just a white guy with guitarist/pianist fingers. Imagine Shaq or something. I think being cspable of a 3-9 stretch on electric guitar is more than enough hand size for SC, but I dont think handsize/finger length matter. Hamds move, you know . . . Anyone having issues with reach, do daily finger stretches and build the muscles. You should be able to fold every finger backward to touch the back of your hand, and you should be able to hold your pinky out at 90 degrees with no assistance from the other hand and without moving any other fingers. Finger exercises can do wonders. Okay....that's a little silly. I've been playing piano for several years, there's NO WAY finger stretching alone allows you to do those things. I agree with hand size not mattering for SC2. I think a good example to think of is all of the incredibly talented asian piano players in the world that have tiny hands but can still play incredibly hard things with huge stretches...they just move their hands faster. Same thing for SC2. It's certainly an advantage to be able to easily use 1-8 hotkeys with ease, but if your handspan naturally only reaches 1-5, that's no problem, you can always practice shifting, moving hotkeys around, etc. | ||
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rikter
United States352 Posts
Hand size doesnt matter, you can be good with big or little. What it does affect though is which keys are easiest for you to hit. I have bigger hands so "outside" movements are natural for me, whereas inside movements are not as smooth. | ||
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illidan333
Iran102 Posts
On September 27 2012 00:24 rikter wrote: I dont understand the fixation with using all 10 control groups my control group 1: main army 2: tank or ghost 3: viking 4: CC, OC, PF 5: rax 6: factory 7: starport 8: ghost academy (my nuke, and upgrade) 9: armory upgrade 0: Ebay upgrade f1: main base f2: naturel f3: third f4: my ramp in my main base | ||
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GodOfWarAReS
Germany105 Posts
flash uses i think 7. | ||
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rikter
United States352 Posts
Edit: I do anywhere from 5-7, with 3 groups for army, 1 group for CCs and then either production stacked or split to take it to 5 or 7 respectively. | ||
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illidan333
Iran102 Posts
On September 27 2012 01:45 rikter wrote: Instead of splitting ghost academy, armory and ebay onto 3 separate groups, why not just use a camera hotkey to navigate? Because I only have 4 camera hotkey and I use all of them for my bases | ||
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SickeL
110 Posts
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JackReacher
United States197 Posts
On September 26 2012 22:28 SC2John wrote: Okay....that's a little silly. I've been playing piano for several years, there's NO WAY finger stretching alone allows you to do those things. I agree with hand size not mattering for SC2. I think a good example to think of is all of the incredibly talented asian piano players in the world that have tiny hands but can still play incredibly hard things with huge stretches...they just move their hands faster. Same thing for SC2. It's certainly an advantage to be able to easily use 1-8 hotkeys with ease, but if your handspan naturally only reaches 1-5, that's no problem, you can always practice shifting, moving hotkeys around, etc. Well, I've had carpal tunnel release surgery on both wrists from gaming/guitar, and had some flexor tendons torn in my left hand racing motocross, which had to be surgically repaired. With physical therapy and some extra movement provided by new tissue (as well as being really flexible to begin with), I can practically tie the fingers in my left hand in knots by themselves. I wouldn't recommend anyone to go to such measures for increased reach/flexibility, but I still believe in liberal, daily stretching of any muscles or tendons you use on a daily basis to increase strength and flexibility. I may not be a korean pro, but being able to keep my ring finger anchored on the "a" key and stretch across the top to press 0a9a4e with 2 fingers, always keeping ring finger anchored on "A" to react at a moment's notice, is a benefit to anyone playing the game nonetheless. I have a feeling SOME of Flash's dexterity comes from flexibility training, and if it didn't, i'd be wildly surprised. Everyone considering pro-gaming should talk to a doctor about preemptive carpal tunnel release surgery; I've had it in both wrists, so I can play 12 hours a day with the world's worst posture and ergonomics on purpose, and never have any wrist troubles because the area liable for inflammation has been snipped/loosened. Just a health consideration, but always ask your doctor first. Also applicable to anyone considering a career in racing motocross; this same surgery ELIMINATES arm-pump. These are as close to performance-enhancing surgeries as it gets in esports, but unfortunately, it generally is only talked about after it's too late and the damage is done. Edit: In the video, Flash is using the same keyboard I use, so I have a pretty good idea of the comparison. He's not a whiz on the keyboard; he's a genius at starcraft. | ||
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Creegz
Canada354 Posts
Made a quick album to show everyone what I mean. http://imgur.com/a/CA9AK | ||
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