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CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
September 25 2012 21:30 GMT
#21
On September 26 2012 06:20 nebula. wrote:


thats not real apm tho -_-
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iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 21:35:35
September 25 2012 21:31 GMT
#22
On September 26 2012 06:08 Schnullerbacke13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 06:03 -_- wrote:
On September 26 2012 05:54 Schnullerbacke13 wrote:
he still uses broodwarish keys. grid-based custom is way more efficient as you don't have to move fingers that far .. anyway impressive but improvable.


Moving your hand isn't very important when it comes to hotkey efficiency.


ofc at 250+ apm it is. it's pretty similar to playing a music instrument, and high level musicians spend a loit of time optimizing the amount of movement. less movement = faster and more precise play.

removed -- didn't need to be said.

I love flash in sc2. Every rep I see his eapm is so fucking sick high, he's so efficient.
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fCFiRE
Profile Joined June 2012
United States7 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 21:38:41
September 25 2012 21:36 GMT
#23
There is nothing special about his hand positioning. My hand is positioned almost that exact same way. I play with grid and coming from a FPS background my hands feel more natural choked up near the numbers. Im sure there are differences, but the hand placement concept is similar. Still not enough to bring me into high masters though

Using my ring finger produces marines, workers, etc. while my index and middle finger cycle through my production. (Keys 4,5, and 6). To attack move my index finger just drops from 5 to "T". I do believe grid is a more efficient way to play as everything is grouped nicely. But once again its just what your used to!

P.S. That is ridiculous from Losira.
dOraWa
Profile Joined August 2012
Korea (South)53 Posts
September 25 2012 21:50 GMT
#24
On September 26 2012 06:31 iAmJeffReY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 06:08 Schnullerbacke13 wrote:
On September 26 2012 06:03 -_- wrote:
On September 26 2012 05:54 Schnullerbacke13 wrote:
he still uses broodwarish keys. grid-based custom is way more efficient as you don't have to move fingers that far .. anyway impressive but improvable.


Moving your hand isn't very important when it comes to hotkey efficiency.


ofc at 250+ apm it is. it's pretty similar to playing a music instrument, and high level musicians spend a loit of time optimizing the amount of movement. less movement = faster and more precise play.

removed -- didn't need to be said.

I love flash in sc2. Every rep I see his eapm is so fucking sick high, he's so efficient.


What rep? I only seen supposedly him vs KawaiiRice one. Please hook it up
laLAlA[uC]
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada963 Posts
September 25 2012 21:56 GMT
#25
On September 26 2012 06:50 dOraWa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 06:31 iAmJeffReY wrote:
On September 26 2012 06:08 Schnullerbacke13 wrote:
On September 26 2012 06:03 -_- wrote:
On September 26 2012 05:54 Schnullerbacke13 wrote:
he still uses broodwarish keys. grid-based custom is way more efficient as you don't have to move fingers that far .. anyway impressive but improvable.


Moving your hand isn't very important when it comes to hotkey efficiency.


ofc at 250+ apm it is. it's pretty similar to playing a music instrument, and high level musicians spend a loit of time optimizing the amount of movement. less movement = faster and more precise play.

removed -- didn't need to be said.

I love flash in sc2. Every rep I see his eapm is so fucking sick high, he's so efficient.


What rep? I only seen supposedly him vs KawaiiRice one. Please hook it up


He plays in Proleague you know
I'm an old man now
Dontkillme
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)806 Posts
September 25 2012 22:16 GMT
#26
On September 26 2012 06:27 Fistro wrote:
LOL even MC learns watching Flash playing ... 00:13

Dont see MC in there lol. And does anyone know what the ruler is for?
Bomber & Jaedong & FlaSh & SNSD <3
dOraWa
Profile Joined August 2012
Korea (South)53 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 22:19:26
September 25 2012 22:18 GMT
#27
On September 26 2012 06:56 laLAlA[uC] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 06:50 dOraWa wrote:
On September 26 2012 06:31 iAmJeffReY wrote:
On September 26 2012 06:08 Schnullerbacke13 wrote:
On September 26 2012 06:03 -_- wrote:
On September 26 2012 05:54 Schnullerbacke13 wrote:
he still uses broodwarish keys. grid-based custom is way more efficient as you don't have to move fingers that far .. anyway impressive but improvable.


Moving your hand isn't very important when it comes to hotkey efficiency.


ofc at 250+ apm it is. it's pretty similar to playing a music instrument, and high level musicians spend a loit of time optimizing the amount of movement. less movement = faster and more precise play.

removed -- didn't need to be said.

I love flash in sc2. Every rep I see his eapm is so fucking sick high, he's so efficient.


What rep? I only seen supposedly him vs KawaiiRice one. Please hook it up


He plays in Proleague you know


Obviously, I watch the vods. Replays =/ vods
Furthermore, I don't know how you'd see eapm in a vod.
Maybe instead of being snarky you could be helpful
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
September 25 2012 22:19 GMT
#28
On September 26 2012 00:09 CodeskyE wrote:
also note that his mouse setup is different.

last i heard, his right and left mouse click are switched, so he moves units/focus fire using left click iirc.


Check 7:09. It looks like he's highlighting the tanks with left click, which would suggest they're not switched.
EnE
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
417 Posts
September 25 2012 22:24 GMT
#29
Trying to see what was going on exactly in Flash's game on that VOD reminds me of watching GSL free stream.
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revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
September 25 2012 22:34 GMT
#30
On September 26 2012 07:16 Dontkillme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 06:27 Fistro wrote:
LOL even MC learns watching Flash playing ... 00:13

Dont see MC in there lol. And does anyone know what the ruler is for?


Lol, Flash ruler. =)

Flash sets up his mousepad, keyboard, and mouse before every game. He puts them the exact same distance away from each other as he does in practice. He started doing it in mid/late 2008 while he was in a "slump" (mind you a slump is still better than 65% win pct, but he was dropping from individuals). Enter mid 2009 into 2010 when he put together the most impressive year in e-sports history.

renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
September 25 2012 23:32 GMT
#31
On September 26 2012 07:34 revy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 07:16 Dontkillme wrote:
On September 26 2012 06:27 Fistro wrote:
LOL even MC learns watching Flash playing ... 00:13

Dont see MC in there lol. And does anyone know what the ruler is for?


Lol, Flash ruler. =)

Flash sets up his mousepad, keyboard, and mouse before every game. He puts them the exact same distance away from each other as he does in practice. He started doing it in mid/late 2008 while he was in a "slump" (mind you a slump is still better than 65% win pct, but he was dropping from individuals). Enter mid 2009 into 2010 when he put together the most impressive year in e-sports history.



I thought it was more or less insulting to the other player, not actually for measuring; i.e. "i am your ruler"
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xHadoken
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States171 Posts
September 26 2012 01:40 GMT
#32
On September 26 2012 07:34 revy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 07:16 Dontkillme wrote:
On September 26 2012 06:27 Fistro wrote:
LOL even MC learns watching Flash playing ... 00:13

Dont see MC in there lol. And does anyone know what the ruler is for?


Lol, Flash ruler. =)

Flash sets up his mousepad, keyboard, and mouse before every game. He puts them the exact same distance away from each other as he does in practice. He started doing it in mid/late 2008 while he was in a "slump" (mind you a slump is still better than 65% win pct, but he was dropping from individuals). Enter mid 2009 into 2010 when he put together the most impressive year in e-sports history.


I smile every time I hear about his ruler xD
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FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4505 Posts
September 26 2012 01:43 GMT
#33
oh boy hand size is about the last thing that makes flash special.
hi. big fan.
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
September 26 2012 02:04 GMT
#34
On September 26 2012 10:43 FataLe wrote:
oh boy hand size is about the last thing that makes flash special.


that's what she said

+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


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nebula.
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Sweden1431 Posts
September 26 2012 05:50 GMT
#35
On September 26 2012 06:30 CeriseCherries wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 06:20 nebula. wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4UTDudShDY


thats not real apm tho -_-


ya but he's like that throughout the entire game
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Steelo_Rivers
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1968 Posts
September 26 2012 05:57 GMT
#36
I noticed that he is playing mech but yet he is CONSTANTLY attacking. I want to play mech like that.
ok
xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
September 26 2012 05:58 GMT
#37
How the hell can you press 1 with your middle finger and a with your ring finger? hurts my hand even thinking about it
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
JackReacher
Profile Joined September 2012
United States197 Posts
September 26 2012 06:46 GMT
#38
Losira (Flash either) doesnt have that big of hands... on my DT35 with my palm below the space bar I can reach my fingers over the top of the keyboard and pick it up one-handed, and I'm just a white guy with guitarist/pianist fingers. Imagine Shaq or something. I think being cspable of a 3-9 stretch on electric guitar is more than enough hand size for SC, but I dont think handsize/finger length matter. Hamds move, you know . . .

Anyone having issues with reach, do daily finger stretches and build the muscles. You should be able to fold every finger backward to touch the back of your hand, and you should be able to hold your pinky out at 90 degrees with no assistance from the other hand and without moving any other fingers. Finger exercises can do wonders.
snexwang
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia224 Posts
September 26 2012 06:49 GMT
#39
On September 26 2012 14:58 xrapture wrote:
How the hell can you press 1 with your middle finger and a with your ring finger? hurts my hand even thinking about it
Like this, sir.
[image loading]
Prerequisite: a normal left hand. Right hand optional.

I hope this diagram offers sufficient explanation.
xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
September 26 2012 07:16 GMT
#40
On September 26 2012 15:49 snexwang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 14:58 xrapture wrote:
How the hell can you press 1 with your middle finger and a with your ring finger? hurts my hand even thinking about it
Like this, sir.
[image loading]
Prerequisite: a normal left hand. Right hand optional.

I hope this diagram offers sufficient explanation.



looks like carpal tunnel
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
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