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Vague
Profile Joined April 2011
170 Posts
September 27 2012 04:32 GMT
#61
And you know what they say about people with big hands...

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jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
September 27 2012 04:58 GMT
#62
On September 26 2012 00:09 CodeskyE wrote:
also note that his mouse setup is different.

last i heard, his right and left mouse click are switched, so he moves units/focus fire using left click iirc.


his clicks are definitely normal seeing the video. i'm not sure how you can even reverse them in bw without a 3rd party software...which i highly doubt is used.
age: 84 | location: california | sex: 잘함
Bobbias
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1373 Posts
September 27 2012 05:25 GMT
#63
On September 27 2012 13:58 jinorazi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 00:09 CodeskyE wrote:
also note that his mouse setup is different.

last i heard, his right and left mouse click are switched, so he moves units/focus fire using left click iirc.


his clicks are definitely normal seeing the video. i'm not sure how you can even reverse them in bw without a 3rd party software...which i highly doubt is used.


Windows has built in settings, since many people are left handed. Set the mouse to left handed and you get reversed left/right click.
vorxaw
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada245 Posts
September 27 2012 06:43 GMT
#64
now that we have flash playing with shoulder cam, all we need is flash streaming, would be insane
worldpeace30
Profile Joined July 2012
United States106 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 08:26:20
September 27 2012 06:48 GMT
#65
Ok so this is what I think is happening.

Most players end up using 3 fingers to do the following(my assumption): a. tap between production b. select army c. use army abilities d. build units from tapped structers. Tapping is usually with 2 fingers and a 3rd finger is usually used for army control. This results in steps: Step 1: tap, Step 2: select army, Step: Attack/harass/defend with army. Step 3: tap, Step 4: build units, Step 5: select army, Step 6: use army special ability. Flash is able to do something special which cuts some corners. Step 1: tap, Step 2: Build SCV(S) + Marine(A) while tapping, Step 3: Check army + attack + tap CC + build SCV and Marine + go back to attacking with "A" + select CC/Orbital + build SCV + select army + attack - and so on because all the actions result in him not moving his ring finger from A only to hit S one key over.
CodeskyE
Profile Joined January 2011
United States777 Posts
September 27 2012 10:56 GMT
#66
On September 27 2012 13:58 jinorazi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 00:09 CodeskyE wrote:
also note that his mouse setup is different.

last i heard, his right and left mouse click are switched, so he moves units/focus fire using left click iirc.


his clicks are definitely normal seeing the video. i'm not sure how you can even reverse them in bw without a 3rd party software...which i highly doubt is used.



go to 1:40 minute part of the video and watch it.

he's clearly focus firing using his left mouse, which leads me to believe that his mouse is reversed. and yes, you can change mouse settings in windows.

worldpeace30
Profile Joined July 2012
United States106 Posts
September 27 2012 15:32 GMT
#67
I made a zoomed in vid of the hands to show what's going on
Misanthrope
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States924 Posts
September 27 2012 16:25 GMT
#68
Anyone know where I can get one of the mouse bungees flash is using there? I've seen a lot of other pros from korea using them, they seem more awesome than the flimsy razer one because of the weight in the middle.
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Dubz
Profile Joined October 2010
United States242 Posts
September 27 2012 17:09 GMT
#69
wow, his scroll speed is SO slow... you would think it'd be much faster
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M7Jagger
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden237 Posts
September 27 2012 18:42 GMT
#70
What's so special with it? Looks like anyone sitting with a keyboard, lol all this attention because he is Flash. It's like when an artist makes a painting and it's just a black line on a black board and people analyze the shit out if it because it was made by a famous artist.
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Persh
Profile Joined February 2012
Estonia108 Posts
September 27 2012 19:21 GMT
#71
On September 28 2012 03:42 M7Jagger wrote:
What's so special with it? Looks like anyone sitting with a keyboard, lol all this attention because he is Flash. It's like when an artist makes a painting and it's just a black line on a black board and people analyze the shit out if it because it was made by a famous artist.


Exactly.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 19:35:34
September 27 2012 19:30 GMT
#72
On September 27 2012 19:56 CodeskyE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 13:58 jinorazi wrote:
On September 26 2012 00:09 CodeskyE wrote:
also note that his mouse setup is different.

last i heard, his right and left mouse click are switched, so he moves units/focus fire using left click iirc.


his clicks are definitely normal seeing the video. i'm not sure how you can even reverse them in bw without a 3rd party software...which i highly doubt is used.



go to 1:40 minute part of the video and watch it.

he's clearly focus firing using his left mouse, which leads me to believe that his mouse is reversed. and yes, you can change mouse settings in windows.


Focus fire is done with left click after pressing"a". U dont want to missclick ground and move ur army into them instead. I forgot its an option in cpanel
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Shikada
Profile Joined May 2012
Serbia976 Posts
September 27 2012 19:44 GMT
#73
On September 28 2012 03:42 M7Jagger wrote:
What's so special with it? Looks like anyone sitting with a keyboard, lol all this attention because he is Flash. It's like when an artist makes a painting and it's just a black line on a black board and people analyze the shit out if it because it was made by a famous artist.


You know, you would be completely right, if not for one thing. He is Flash! :D

Seriously though, if you have nothing to contribute and find this uninteresting, find another thread. I find this one fascinating.
Cuce
Profile Joined March 2011
Turkey1127 Posts
September 27 2012 19:57 GMT
#74
on side note, I still can't beleive almost no pro uses corner/ root of pink/of palm to hit ctrl..
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worldpeace30
Profile Joined July 2012
United States106 Posts
September 28 2012 02:05 GMT
#75
On September 28 2012 04:44 Shikada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 03:42 M7Jagger wrote:
What's so special with it? Looks like anyone sitting with a keyboard, lol all this attention because he is Flash. It's like when an artist makes a painting and it's just a black line on a black board and people analyze the shit out if it because it was made by a famous artist.


You know, you would be completely right, if not for one thing. He is Flash! :D

Seriously though, if you have nothing to contribute and find this uninteresting, find another thread. I find this one fascinating.


Redt(poster with 6 posts total) can only be short for reddit. Somebody who didn't like the video there must have seen the tlnet comment on it and jumped over here for the downvote, aww, no downvote here without a valid reason why and contributing
GT350
Profile Joined May 2012
United States270 Posts
September 28 2012 03:20 GMT
#76
On September 28 2012 00:32 worldpeace30 wrote:
I made a zoomed in vid of the hands to show what's going on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwVOJpZfdt4&feature=player_detailpage#t=16s

Thank you for this. He is fast.
Persh
Profile Joined February 2012
Estonia108 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-28 09:49:25
September 28 2012 09:42 GMT
#77
Probably gonna incorporate flash's hand position and some of his hotkeys to mine, seems way too useful to keep it my way atm.

On September 28 2012 11:05 worldpeace30 wrote:
Redt(poster with 6 posts total) can only be short for reddit. Somebody who didn't like the video there must have seen the tlnet comment on it and jumped over here for the downvote, aww, no downvote here without a valid reason why and contributing


[a little offtopic]I haven't visited reddit for at least a month and I don't plan on visiting it anyways. I meant of the nick in CS and when reddit didn't even exist yet. When I switched to sc2 and found out there was a progamer named ret, I changed my nick instantly, so no, no and no. Btw, the name means red (my favourite colour) plus my first name's first letter.

Plus, I registered before you and no, it is not someone else's acc. You should really put a little more thought into things like this.[/a little offtopic]

worldpeace30
Profile Joined July 2012
United States106 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-28 22:24:20
September 28 2012 22:21 GMT
#78
On September 28 2012 18:42 redt wrote:
Probably gonna incorporate flash's hand position and some of his hotkeys to mine, seems way too useful to keep it my way atm.

Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 11:05 worldpeace30 wrote:
Redt(poster with 6 posts total) can only be short for reddit. Somebody who didn't like the video there must have seen the tlnet comment on it and jumped over here for the downvote, aww, no downvote here without a valid reason why and contributing


[a little offtopic]I haven't visited reddit for at least a month and I don't plan on visiting it anyways. I meant of the nick in CS and when reddit didn't even exist yet. When I switched to sc2 and found out there was a progamer named ret, I changed my nick instantly, so no, no and no. Btw, the name means red (my favourite colour) plus my first name's first letter.

Plus, I registered before you and no, it is not someone else's acc. You should really put a little more thought into things like this.[/a little offtopic]



I apologize, there's a reddit troll that stalks me everywhere. It seemed suspicious because this thread is 3 days old and there has not been any negative comments on it in 3 days with 68 posts and over 10,000 views. Your post and the one above you was made in 30 minutes time from when I posted my zoomed in video on reddit where it was commented that this duscussion was on reddit. That and you only had 6 posts of post history when you posted. If you aren't from reddit then my bad.
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
September 28 2012 22:28 GMT
#79
On September 28 2012 04:57 Cuce wrote:
on side note, I still can't beleive almost no pro uses corner/ root of pink/of palm to hit ctrl..

I am using left side of my palm to click ctrl, but i think it's more for people with smaller hands.
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-28 23:12:49
September 28 2012 23:11 GMT
#80
I don't think it matters much one way or the other. My left hand setup is identical to Flash's (has been for 10 years), with ring finger constantly resting on "a". I think people who use the 1-control group for their main army gravitate towards this solution. You will a-move your main army a lot during the course of a game, and lifting your ring finger to the 1-key followed by jumping down to the "a" seems rather inefficient for a movement that will be repeated so often.

People's hands are different. I saw someone wonder why people use the tip of their pinky fingers for ctrl and shift. The answer for me personally is that I find it physically impossible to use the root of my pinky finger or the palm for ctrl while at the same time maintaining my normal range, and while at the same time maintaining my preferred setup of having my ring finger resting on "a" at all times (except when pressing Q and tab). Some of it is probably due to using the pinky in the same manner while playing the guitar. I can reach from ctrl to the 9-key if I really push it, but during games I only hotkey up to 8.

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