• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 03:46
CET 09:46
KST 17:46
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview0TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners11Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12
Community News
[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation9Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA8StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7
StarCraft 2
General
[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada Craziest Micro Moments Of All Time?
Tourneys
Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle RSL S3 Round of 16 Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions BW General Discussion Terran 1:35 12 Gas Optimization BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO32 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2006 users

[D] Analyzing Flash's ability to use the keyboard - Page 4

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
From page 2, stick to discussion about actual strategy.
Vague
Profile Joined April 2011
170 Posts
September 27 2012 04:32 GMT
#61
And you know what they say about people with big hands...

User was warned for this post
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
September 27 2012 04:58 GMT
#62
On September 26 2012 00:09 CodeskyE wrote:
also note that his mouse setup is different.

last i heard, his right and left mouse click are switched, so he moves units/focus fire using left click iirc.


his clicks are definitely normal seeing the video. i'm not sure how you can even reverse them in bw without a 3rd party software...which i highly doubt is used.
age: 84 | location: california | sex: 잘함
Bobbias
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1373 Posts
September 27 2012 05:25 GMT
#63
On September 27 2012 13:58 jinorazi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 00:09 CodeskyE wrote:
also note that his mouse setup is different.

last i heard, his right and left mouse click are switched, so he moves units/focus fire using left click iirc.


his clicks are definitely normal seeing the video. i'm not sure how you can even reverse them in bw without a 3rd party software...which i highly doubt is used.


Windows has built in settings, since many people are left handed. Set the mouse to left handed and you get reversed left/right click.
vorxaw
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada245 Posts
September 27 2012 06:43 GMT
#64
now that we have flash playing with shoulder cam, all we need is flash streaming, would be insane
worldpeace30
Profile Joined July 2012
United States106 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 08:26:20
September 27 2012 06:48 GMT
#65
Ok so this is what I think is happening.

Most players end up using 3 fingers to do the following(my assumption): a. tap between production b. select army c. use army abilities d. build units from tapped structers. Tapping is usually with 2 fingers and a 3rd finger is usually used for army control. This results in steps: Step 1: tap, Step 2: select army, Step: Attack/harass/defend with army. Step 3: tap, Step 4: build units, Step 5: select army, Step 6: use army special ability. Flash is able to do something special which cuts some corners. Step 1: tap, Step 2: Build SCV(S) + Marine(A) while tapping, Step 3: Check army + attack + tap CC + build SCV and Marine + go back to attacking with "A" + select CC/Orbital + build SCV + select army + attack - and so on because all the actions result in him not moving his ring finger from A only to hit S one key over.
CodeskyE
Profile Joined January 2011
United States777 Posts
September 27 2012 10:56 GMT
#66
On September 27 2012 13:58 jinorazi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 00:09 CodeskyE wrote:
also note that his mouse setup is different.

last i heard, his right and left mouse click are switched, so he moves units/focus fire using left click iirc.


his clicks are definitely normal seeing the video. i'm not sure how you can even reverse them in bw without a 3rd party software...which i highly doubt is used.



go to 1:40 minute part of the video and watch it.

he's clearly focus firing using his left mouse, which leads me to believe that his mouse is reversed. and yes, you can change mouse settings in windows.

worldpeace30
Profile Joined July 2012
United States106 Posts
September 27 2012 15:32 GMT
#67
I made a zoomed in vid of the hands to show what's going on
Misanthrope
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States924 Posts
September 27 2012 16:25 GMT
#68
Anyone know where I can get one of the mouse bungees flash is using there? I've seen a lot of other pros from korea using them, they seem more awesome than the flimsy razer one because of the weight in the middle.
Resolve to perform what you ought. Perform without fail what you resolve. - Benjamin Franklin
Dubz
Profile Joined October 2010
United States242 Posts
September 27 2012 17:09 GMT
#69
wow, his scroll speed is SO slow... you would think it'd be much faster
" mefjupl: if this game was balanced and we would find two players with almost same skills, in mirror match there would be a draw each game"
M7Jagger
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden237 Posts
September 27 2012 18:42 GMT
#70
What's so special with it? Looks like anyone sitting with a keyboard, lol all this attention because he is Flash. It's like when an artist makes a painting and it's just a black line on a black board and people analyze the shit out if it because it was made by a famous artist.
Brace your're selves. Grammar, nazis are Coming
Persh
Profile Joined February 2012
Estonia108 Posts
September 27 2012 19:21 GMT
#71
On September 28 2012 03:42 M7Jagger wrote:
What's so special with it? Looks like anyone sitting with a keyboard, lol all this attention because he is Flash. It's like when an artist makes a painting and it's just a black line on a black board and people analyze the shit out if it because it was made by a famous artist.


Exactly.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 19:35:34
September 27 2012 19:30 GMT
#72
On September 27 2012 19:56 CodeskyE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 13:58 jinorazi wrote:
On September 26 2012 00:09 CodeskyE wrote:
also note that his mouse setup is different.

last i heard, his right and left mouse click are switched, so he moves units/focus fire using left click iirc.


his clicks are definitely normal seeing the video. i'm not sure how you can even reverse them in bw without a 3rd party software...which i highly doubt is used.



go to 1:40 minute part of the video and watch it.

he's clearly focus firing using his left mouse, which leads me to believe that his mouse is reversed. and yes, you can change mouse settings in windows.


Focus fire is done with left click after pressing"a". U dont want to missclick ground and move ur army into them instead. I forgot its an option in cpanel
age: 84 | location: california | sex: 잘함
Shikada
Profile Joined May 2012
Serbia976 Posts
September 27 2012 19:44 GMT
#73
On September 28 2012 03:42 M7Jagger wrote:
What's so special with it? Looks like anyone sitting with a keyboard, lol all this attention because he is Flash. It's like when an artist makes a painting and it's just a black line on a black board and people analyze the shit out if it because it was made by a famous artist.


You know, you would be completely right, if not for one thing. He is Flash! :D

Seriously though, if you have nothing to contribute and find this uninteresting, find another thread. I find this one fascinating.
Cuce
Profile Joined March 2011
Turkey1127 Posts
September 27 2012 19:57 GMT
#74
on side note, I still can't beleive almost no pro uses corner/ root of pink/of palm to hit ctrl..
64K RAM SYSTEM 38911 BASIC BYTES FREE
worldpeace30
Profile Joined July 2012
United States106 Posts
September 28 2012 02:05 GMT
#75
On September 28 2012 04:44 Shikada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 03:42 M7Jagger wrote:
What's so special with it? Looks like anyone sitting with a keyboard, lol all this attention because he is Flash. It's like when an artist makes a painting and it's just a black line on a black board and people analyze the shit out if it because it was made by a famous artist.


You know, you would be completely right, if not for one thing. He is Flash! :D

Seriously though, if you have nothing to contribute and find this uninteresting, find another thread. I find this one fascinating.


Redt(poster with 6 posts total) can only be short for reddit. Somebody who didn't like the video there must have seen the tlnet comment on it and jumped over here for the downvote, aww, no downvote here without a valid reason why and contributing
GT350
Profile Joined May 2012
United States270 Posts
September 28 2012 03:20 GMT
#76
On September 28 2012 00:32 worldpeace30 wrote:
I made a zoomed in vid of the hands to show what's going on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwVOJpZfdt4&feature=player_detailpage#t=16s

Thank you for this. He is fast.
Persh
Profile Joined February 2012
Estonia108 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-28 09:49:25
September 28 2012 09:42 GMT
#77
Probably gonna incorporate flash's hand position and some of his hotkeys to mine, seems way too useful to keep it my way atm.

On September 28 2012 11:05 worldpeace30 wrote:
Redt(poster with 6 posts total) can only be short for reddit. Somebody who didn't like the video there must have seen the tlnet comment on it and jumped over here for the downvote, aww, no downvote here without a valid reason why and contributing


[a little offtopic]I haven't visited reddit for at least a month and I don't plan on visiting it anyways. I meant of the nick in CS and when reddit didn't even exist yet. When I switched to sc2 and found out there was a progamer named ret, I changed my nick instantly, so no, no and no. Btw, the name means red (my favourite colour) plus my first name's first letter.

Plus, I registered before you and no, it is not someone else's acc. You should really put a little more thought into things like this.[/a little offtopic]

worldpeace30
Profile Joined July 2012
United States106 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-28 22:24:20
September 28 2012 22:21 GMT
#78
On September 28 2012 18:42 redt wrote:
Probably gonna incorporate flash's hand position and some of his hotkeys to mine, seems way too useful to keep it my way atm.

Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 11:05 worldpeace30 wrote:
Redt(poster with 6 posts total) can only be short for reddit. Somebody who didn't like the video there must have seen the tlnet comment on it and jumped over here for the downvote, aww, no downvote here without a valid reason why and contributing


[a little offtopic]I haven't visited reddit for at least a month and I don't plan on visiting it anyways. I meant of the nick in CS and when reddit didn't even exist yet. When I switched to sc2 and found out there was a progamer named ret, I changed my nick instantly, so no, no and no. Btw, the name means red (my favourite colour) plus my first name's first letter.

Plus, I registered before you and no, it is not someone else's acc. You should really put a little more thought into things like this.[/a little offtopic]



I apologize, there's a reddit troll that stalks me everywhere. It seemed suspicious because this thread is 3 days old and there has not been any negative comments on it in 3 days with 68 posts and over 10,000 views. Your post and the one above you was made in 30 minutes time from when I posted my zoomed in video on reddit where it was commented that this duscussion was on reddit. That and you only had 6 posts of post history when you posted. If you aren't from reddit then my bad.
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
September 28 2012 22:28 GMT
#79
On September 28 2012 04:57 Cuce wrote:
on side note, I still can't beleive almost no pro uses corner/ root of pink/of palm to hit ctrl..

I am using left side of my palm to click ctrl, but i think it's more for people with smaller hands.
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-28 23:12:49
September 28 2012 23:11 GMT
#80
I don't think it matters much one way or the other. My left hand setup is identical to Flash's (has been for 10 years), with ring finger constantly resting on "a". I think people who use the 1-control group for their main army gravitate towards this solution. You will a-move your main army a lot during the course of a game, and lifting your ring finger to the 1-key followed by jumping down to the "a" seems rather inefficient for a movement that will be repeated so often.

People's hands are different. I saw someone wonder why people use the tip of their pinky fingers for ctrl and shift. The answer for me personally is that I find it physically impossible to use the root of my pinky finger or the palm for ctrl while at the same time maintaining my normal range, and while at the same time maintaining my preferred setup of having my ring finger resting on "a" at all times (except when pressing Q and tab). Some of it is probably due to using the pinky in the same manner while playing the guitar. I can reach from ctrl to the 9-key if I really push it, but during games I only hotkey up to 8.

Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 14m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 121
ProTech117
SortOf 72
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 2430
Sea 1721
Free 1319
Flash 957
Leta 431
Soma 275
Bisu 206
ToSsGirL 36
JulyZerg 32
Noble 12
Dota 2
BananaSlamJamma171
XcaliburYe124
NeuroSwarm100
League of Legends
JimRising 496
Reynor95
Counter-Strike
fl0m1748
shoxiejesuss321
Other Games
summit1g15937
WinterStarcraft462
ceh9392
Happy246
crisheroes220
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick583
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 24
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1153
• Stunt934
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
1h 14m
RSL Revival
1h 14m
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
Kung Fu Cup
3h 14m
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Classic vs Cure
Reynor vs TBD
WardiTV Korean Royale
3h 14m
PiGosaur Monday
16h 14m
RSL Revival
1d 1h
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
1d 3h
herO vs TBD
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
[ Show More ]
IPSL
2 days
ZZZero vs rasowy
Napoleon vs KameZerg
BSL 21
2 days
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
BSL 21
3 days
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
IPSL
3 days
Dewalt vs WolFix
eOnzErG vs Bonyth
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-07
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 3
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.