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synd
Profile Joined July 2011
Bulgaria586 Posts
May 02 2013 15:10 GMT
#121
Works in HotS too. Even more working than ever because of the Nexi cannons
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
May 03 2013 12:07 GMT
#122
http://www.gomtv.net/2013wcs1/vod/80085

Game 1 shows a variant on this build. While it's not the same exact build, it's close enough.

Also it's the best goddamn PvT i have ever seen.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Squiggles
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada54 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-03 13:14:45
May 03 2013 13:13 GMT
#123
I bought the season pass just to watch this group, and more specifically, how Parting used templar instead of colossi. Some freaking amazing control.

I definitely prefer going 2-base templar before transitioning into colossi later on, but my winrate PvT dropped dramatically ever since HOTS came out. IMO, it's easier for me to defend drops with templar than colossi (maybe I'm just horrible at splitting my army - and I love being liberal with observers), but I often die straight-up to a medivac timing attack.

If I survive long enough to tech-switch to colossi, I usually win - I just need to figure out a way to survive before then.

I don't recall at what time Parting gets storm? Should we be getting it sooner in HOTS now, or later, vs. WOL?
-HuShang-
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada393 Posts
May 03 2013 13:23 GMT
#124
On May 03 2013 22:13 Squiggles wrote:
I bought the season pass just to watch this group, and more specifically, how Parting used templar instead of colossi. Some freaking amazing control.

I definitely prefer going 2-base templar before transitioning into colossi later on, but my winrate PvT dropped dramatically ever since HOTS came out. IMO, it's easier for me to defend drops with templar than colossi (maybe I'm just horrible at splitting my army - and I love being liberal with observers), but I often die straight-up to a medivac timing attack.

If I survive long enough to tech-switch to colossi, I usually win - I just need to figure out a way to survive before then.

I don't recall at what time Parting gets storm? Should we be getting it sooner in HOTS now, or later, vs. WOL?


I don't know why you're being liberal with observers. They're the best thing since sliced bread. If you're dieing a lot just try getting 1 col with no range before getting storm. It's much safer than this build. This build is super technical and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone below mid masters. I wouldn't even expect anyone below high masters to do it correctly. Partings storm depends on what his opponent is doing. If he feels he can take his third safely without getting storm then he usually does.
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-HuShang-
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada393 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-03 13:26:30
May 03 2013 13:25 GMT
#125
Edit: sorry double post
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Squiggles
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada54 Posts
May 03 2013 13:27 GMT
#126
On May 03 2013 22:23 -HuShang- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2013 22:13 Squiggles wrote:
I bought the season pass just to watch this group, and more specifically, how Parting used templar instead of colossi. Some freaking amazing control.

I definitely prefer going 2-base templar before transitioning into colossi later on, but my winrate PvT dropped dramatically ever since HOTS came out. IMO, it's easier for me to defend drops with templar than colossi (maybe I'm just horrible at splitting my army - and I love being liberal with observers), but I often die straight-up to a medivac timing attack.

If I survive long enough to tech-switch to colossi, I usually win - I just need to figure out a way to survive before then.

I don't recall at what time Parting gets storm? Should we be getting it sooner in HOTS now, or later, vs. WOL?


I don't know why you're being liberal with observers. They're the best thing since sliced bread. If you're dieing a lot just try getting 1 col with no range before getting storm. It's much safer than this build. This build is super technical and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone below mid masters. I wouldn't even expect anyone below high masters to do it correctly. Partings storm depends on what his opponent is doing. If he feels he can take his third safely without getting storm then he usually does.

I'm gonna give that a try. I think I have to get over the mental block over how much I'm investing on tech if I get both robo/colo and templar on 2-base before my 3rd.

Oh, and liberal = I get a lot of em, getting colossi cramps my observer production (not sure if you got it the first time around - sorry!)
-HuShang-
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada393 Posts
May 03 2013 13:44 GMT
#127
On May 03 2013 22:27 Squiggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2013 22:23 -HuShang- wrote:
On May 03 2013 22:13 Squiggles wrote:
I bought the season pass just to watch this group, and more specifically, how Parting used templar instead of colossi. Some freaking amazing control.

I definitely prefer going 2-base templar before transitioning into colossi later on, but my winrate PvT dropped dramatically ever since HOTS came out. IMO, it's easier for me to defend drops with templar than colossi (maybe I'm just horrible at splitting my army - and I love being liberal with observers), but I often die straight-up to a medivac timing attack.

If I survive long enough to tech-switch to colossi, I usually win - I just need to figure out a way to survive before then.

I don't recall at what time Parting gets storm? Should we be getting it sooner in HOTS now, or later, vs. WOL?


I don't know why you're being liberal with observers. They're the best thing since sliced bread. If you're dieing a lot just try getting 1 col with no range before getting storm. It's much safer than this build. This build is super technical and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone below mid masters. I wouldn't even expect anyone below high masters to do it correctly. Partings storm depends on what his opponent is doing. If he feels he can take his third safely without getting storm then he usually does.

I'm gonna give that a try. I think I have to get over the mental block over how much I'm investing on tech if I get both robo/colo and templar on 2-base before my 3rd.

Oh, and liberal = I get a lot of em, getting colossi cramps my observer production (not sure if you got it the first time around - sorry!)


You can get 3 observers before either collossi or templar tech. Get both gas at around 6:45 at your natural and you'll have tons of extra gas.
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DeltaBravo
Profile Joined November 2010
United States119 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-03 14:22:24
May 03 2013 14:20 GMT
#128
On May 03 2013 21:07 Teoita wrote:
http://www.gomtv.net/2013wcs1/vod/80085

Game 1 shows a variant on this build. While it's not the same exact build, it's close enough.

Also it's the best goddamn PvT i have ever seen.


I have no freaking clue how Parting surivived, but it really shows that this build is extremely viable in the right hands, even in the age of turbo-vac drops. Parting looked like was going to lose the entire time, but the storms and army control let him keep his 3rd base.
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-HuShang-
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada393 Posts
May 03 2013 21:17 GMT
#129
yeah if you arent parting that warp prism needs to delay so you can set up your third/let storm finish
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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
May 03 2013 22:08 GMT
#130
I've always held with chargelot/archon and no warp prisms tbh. The prism itself is nice but i don't think it's mandatory.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
-HuShang-
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada393 Posts
May 03 2013 22:41 GMT
#131
On May 04 2013 07:08 Teoita wrote:
I've always held with chargelot/archon and no warp prisms tbh. The prism itself is nice but i don't think it's mandatory.


It's way way way way way way way harder than holding with collossi. There's really no point not getting 1 collossi first if you're not going to get a warp prism.
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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-03 22:48:12
May 03 2013 22:47 GMT
#132
1 colo no range is a wholly different build...it's not THAT much harder to hold tbh. Chargelot/archon does pretty well vs low medivac counts, it always did.

I went 3gate robo>single forge templar in about 80% of the PvT's i played from July 2012 until Januray 2013.

PartinG got a warp prism in his game vs flash, did absolutely nothing with it, and still estabilished his thir succesfully (even though he lost it later, that has nothing to do with getting a warp prism or not). Please show me all these PvT's you seem to have seen where the Protoss goes 3gate robo/warp prism/templar, in which he holds a medivac timing exclusively thanks to the prism.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Sox03
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
Germany55 Posts
May 03 2013 23:45 GMT
#133
Sometimes i just hate myself for not having access to the vods i really liked the build in wol since i found this guide ive never really touched colossi openings in WoL again^^
Maybe i try messing around with it again once i have my current build down good enough to be satisfied ^^
But really nice to hear templar openings start appearing in the scene again, maybe i get the pass of a friend to watch it
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
May 04 2013 01:02 GMT
#134
Especially if any oracle buff is coming this type of build will pick up imo.
Stargate harassment followed by templar play is pretty good, you won't be needing robo at all as oracles are better scouts than observers anyway if they get a small speed buff.
xAdra
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore1858 Posts
May 04 2013 09:11 GMT
#135
Been playing this build after Parting kicked Flash's ass yesterday. I like it- it's working better than ever before with the MsC to help holds. Plus I find that stylistically Storms are way cooler than colossi
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
May 04 2013 09:18 GMT
#136
It's not the same build though. Parting went for much much faster charge, got a warp prism out (he never did in WoL), got storm a bit faster, and changed his gateway timings slightly.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Sox03
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
Germany55 Posts
May 04 2013 09:44 GMT
#137
If i am allowed to ask when did he start his twilight / storm / charge?
I hope i don't create any extra trouble still trying to get to the vods somehow QQ
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
May 04 2013 09:52 GMT
#138
Twilight at standard 7/8 ish (dont remember exactly), charge as soon as twilight finished together with +2 armor, storm at around 11:00/11:30 i believe.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Sox03
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
Germany55 Posts
May 04 2013 11:31 GMT
#139
Thank you very much, shortly after reading your reply i finally found the game and this was indeed one of the best PvTs i have seen for a long time!
I think i'm going to rewatch it and start using it on the ladder.
I also like the warp prism it seems kind of interesting
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
May 04 2013 12:14 GMT
#140
Re watching it: storm after first archon and +2 is started, twilight council is also really fast as Parting stays on just 3 gateway units forever.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
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