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Black[CAT]
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Malaysia2589 Posts
July 21 2012 08:28 GMT
#101
Currently I only use bio only TvZ with Ravens for lategame like the old skool SK terran, but this is really interesting.
You mean ESPORTS isnt a synonym for SC2? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -Proud owner of a Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry Blue Switches- BW or SC2? Why not both?
straycat
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
230 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-21 09:13:43
July 21 2012 09:10 GMT
#102
Wow, I think I faced this on ladder mb a week ago. I didn't feel that it was very intimidating though, as it seemed that a group of speedlings could stop it from realizing its potential pretty easily. The part on having to be a masters player makes sense.

Btw: Space... Whales? Where did the whales come from?
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
July 21 2012 09:44 GMT
#103
Interesting, I'm not a Terran so I can't test it. Would like to see some input from semipro-ish players.
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Toastie.NL
Profile Joined July 2012
Netherlands232 Posts
July 21 2012 09:55 GMT
#104
On July 21 2012 18:10 straycat wrote:
Wow, I think I faced this on ladder mb a week ago. I didn't feel that it was very intimidating though, as it seemed that a group of speedlings could stop it from realizing its potential pretty easily. The part on having to be a masters player makes sense.

Btw: Space... Whales? Where did the whales come from?

the OPs Name :-)
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Toastie.NL
Profile Joined July 2012
Netherlands232 Posts
July 21 2012 09:56 GMT
#105
On July 21 2012 18:44 Plexa wrote:
Interesting, I'm not a Terran so I can't test it. Would like to see some input from semipro-ish players.

I'd love to see some really good micro players handle this!
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WhalesFromSpace
Profile Joined March 2012
390 Posts
July 21 2012 09:56 GMT
#106
On July 21 2012 18:44 Plexa wrote:
Interesting, I'm not a Terran so I can't test it. Would like to see some input from semipro-ish players.

I would like to see such input too. I have some replays and build orders from other high masters players who have been messaging me since the release of this guide. I am looking to test their variations and potentially create similar graphics for such variations. This probably won't be complete until I get the SWSS out of the way.

When the build was worse, Pokebunny went over it on his stream: He is the one who suggested the 3rd CC before adding additional barracks
Nihility
tsango
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia214 Posts
July 21 2012 12:28 GMT
#107
really smart man, gives reapers high ground vision which was always slightly problematic with speedlings or roaches in position and it heals them and lets you pick up. With nitropacks there really is no good zerg counter to 8 reapers untill they get mutalisks, which with good harasment on geysers + drones+ 3rd base can be delayed quite a bit

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Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
July 21 2012 13:43 GMT
#108
I think the frequency of 4-6 queen simply shuts down reapers too hard, and I don't exactly trust this to hold allins either. This is just my gut feeling though.
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zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
July 21 2012 14:44 GMT
#109
On July 13 2012 12:24 tehemperorer wrote:
Wow what a guide man I don't even play Terran and tI feel like I can win some!


Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but although this is a new and shiny build, it isn't some magic bullet. In my opinion, it's not necessarily even better than a lot of what we currently have in TvZ. I actually open reaper FE in TvZ and have done so for a while and experimented with mass reaper openers. A good player will drop a roach warren and produce just a few roaches at each base and there goes your attack. Meanwhile they can mass drone behind it as well, while taking a third
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Nightsz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada398 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-21 15:15:31
July 21 2012 15:09 GMT
#110
I've tried this build, and I can only say.. mass speedlings shut this down so hard. =/

I feel like in the current map pool. This is only good for shakuras and taldarim altar. But thats about it. If shattered temple was still in, this build would be amazing
Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
July 21 2012 16:00 GMT
#111
As a Zerg player, I'm actually surprised it took this long for someone to try and develop reaper play. Being that they efficiently kill off spine crawlers_and_zerglings, these big reaper plays basically force you to turtle and try to get up an infestation pit, and it's another 80 seconds until fungal growth is available. Good write up. I like the addition of the viking and medivac, they really seal the deal.
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 21 2012 17:06 GMT
#112
On July 21 2012 18:10 straycat wrote:
Wow, I think I faced this on ladder mb a week ago. I didn't feel that it was very intimidating though, as it seemed that a group of speedlings could stop it from realizing its potential pretty easily. The part on having to be a masters player makes sense.

Btw: Space... Whales? Where did the whales come from?


This should hit before speed unless you opened with gas, in which case T prob should avoid doing this build.
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The_Unseen
Profile Joined March 2011
France1923 Posts
July 21 2012 20:51 GMT
#113
On July 22 2012 00:09 Nightsz wrote:
I've tried this build, and I can only say.. mass speedlings shut this down so hard. =/

I feel like in the current map pool. This is only good for shakuras and taldarim altar. But thats about it. If shattered temple was still in, this build would be amazing


I don't know about your micro man, but I'm pretty bad and I still rape mass ling with that... You have a medivac !
I got five reasons for you to shut up
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-23 22:17:30
July 23 2012 22:15 GMT
#114
after playing around for a bit, expo before rax definitely feels alot better. You'll have a huge economy following it up, and you'll get about just as many reapers and medivacs around 7 minute timing due to how cheap reaper is mineral wise, so you can get that early 3rd gas.

Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3575 Posts
July 25 2012 00:11 GMT
#115
Gosh, love the idea of the build, but MUCH too hard for me to pull off
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TheWisp
Profile Joined July 2012
45 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-25 14:00:15
July 25 2012 14:00 GMT
#116
I have just won a diamond zerg on shakuras. He was so greedy on economy :D
I lost 0 unit until killed 61 units, wow!

Replay
http://drop.sc/227559
WhalesFromSpace
Profile Joined March 2012
390 Posts
August 20 2012 20:49 GMT
#117
On July 21 2012 22:43 Pokebunny wrote:
I think the frequency of 4-6 queen simply shuts down reapers too hard, and I don't exactly trust this to hold allins either. This is just my gut feeling though.

I am doing much better holding roach bane with this than other things like hellion//banshee (could be because I suck at that though). Baneling bust is hard though and required catching wind of it out on the map. 4 queen opener and I am licking my chops because the speed is later and they often quadruple gas and I can catch the zerg teching.
Nihility
WhalesFromSpace
Profile Joined March 2012
390 Posts
August 20 2012 20:51 GMT
#118
Added 3 new replays, including a couple vs stronger opponents!
This is best one for the opener I think: http://drop.sc/241472
Nihility
TheGreenMachine
Profile Joined March 2010
United States730 Posts
August 20 2012 21:16 GMT
#119
The effort put forth in this thread is damn impressive. The video and charts sold me already. The build itself looks very micro intensive which leaves room for high skill cap which is great for future sc2
Don't forget to get everyone you know to play HOTS so this game we love called Starcraft will live on. Every little bit helps. ^^
WhalesFromSpace
Profile Joined March 2012
390 Posts
September 07 2012 06:29 GMT
#120
Here is a new replay where the reapers are shut down, and the Zerg is allowed to take a 3rd. Keep in mind that the investment required for him to hold off the reapers results in us having similar drone counts. I think he is a slow player so I am not sure if there is a chance to be busted at the front when the muta pop (with ling/bling/muta). My marine count was a bit lower than what seems safe so I think I need to either make some hellions or keep the reapers alive.
http://drop.sc/248079
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