EPTIn HotS Nexus can attack with Photon Overcharge. That means, that Chrono Boost and Attack are both bound to "j" for the same building. If you use "j" to Chrono Boost a friendly building while the Nexus is under the effect of Photon Overcharge, the Nexus attacks the building instead of Chrono Boosting it.
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CapSeb
Germany3 Posts
In HotS Nexus can attack with Photon Overcharge. That means, that Chrono Boost and Attack are both bound to "j" for the same building. If you use "j" to Chrono Boost a friendly building while the Nexus is under the effect of Photon Overcharge, the Nexus attacks the building instead of Chrono Boosting it. | ||
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Cute_Fluff
Israel14 Posts
I was plat in wol and got hots and started using the core, i took to this journey a friend who never played sc2 before (or any other rts game for that matter :-) ) I used to play grid on wol The first thing i noticed is how ez to reach was everything the cams cg all abilities - this is truly a great layout! We both (and some more of my friends that are using the levels) want to thank you and all who helped in cresting this setup :-) We are currenty in bronze league working our way up :-) its very hard to learn a new layout but after 1 week i can say i it feels more natural and easier to do what i have in mind. Thank again for the dedication of making better players for better games :-) MrJoe#117 Z ShuShu (same account) T | ||
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Antylamon
United States1981 Posts
On October 28 2012 02:36 CapSeb wrote: Thanks for your answer. Based on your information I had taken a second look onto the problem and found out that it might be all about Chrono Boost. Changing the Oracle or Mothership Core unbound Chrono Boost. But rebinding Chrono Boost was no problem thereafter. I might found out where this all is coming from - and another problem for theCore: In HotS Nexus can attack with Photon Overcharge. That means, that Chrono Boost and Attack are both bound to "j" for the same building. If you use "j" to Chrono Boost a friendly building while the Nexus is under the effect of Photon Overcharge, the Nexus attacks the building instead of Chrono Boosting it. I think this is because the Attack command used to be on the Mothership Core, since it used to attach to the Nexus. With the Mothership Core changes, it inadvertently became somewhat of a text file-edited keybind. I think this will be fixed swiftly and easily. | ||
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Antylamon
United States1981 Posts
On October 28 2012 04:57 Cute_Fluff wrote: Hello JaK :-) I was plat in wol and got hots and started using the core, i took to this journey a friend who never played sc2 before (or any other rts game for that matter :-) ) I used to play grid on wol The first thing i noticed is how ez to reach was everything the cams cg all abilities - this is truly a great layout! We both (and some more of my friends that are using the levels) want to thank you and all who helped in cresting this setup :-) We are currenty in bronze league working our way up :-) its very hard to learn a new layout but after 1 week i can say i it feels more natural and easier to do what i have in mind. Thank again for the dedication of making better players for better games :-) MrJoe#117 Z ShuShu (same account) T If you want to improve even more, try TheLevels. It's a very good system of improvement which you and your friend will probably enjoy. Good luck!  | ||
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Lancerx
United States39 Posts
One Question though, why do you have create control group control+shift instead of just Control? And why Control to add to control groups instead of shift? I am little confused why you do what you do sometimes. I like to know what the reasoning is behind all these decisions. | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
I don't have time to answer that question right now, but I'll get to it asap, until then, just trust that I do everything for a reason. I appreciate your questions very much. Keep em coming when they come :D | ||
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furyofSkanks
32 Posts
Should I not use this feature in SC2? The core makes it seem like it's something good players do not use. Is this true? Where is the list of GM's or pro players who use this? Just curious, thanks | ||
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Lancerx
United States39 Posts
On October 28 2012 12:57 JaKaTaK wrote: @Lancerx I don't have time to answer that question right now, but I'll get to it asap, until then, just trust that I do everything for a reason. I appreciate your questions very much. Keep em coming when they come :D Ok fair enough for now. I have a more pressing question. I read through your post and watched what videos I could, looked at all your suggestions, tips and other stuff like the spreadsheet and downloaded both the small PRM and PRMM versions from the skydrive. It is a bit overwhelming and confusing, and some things are not really clear. For example, you recommend certain keys for certain control groups because I assume these keys are used allot and at high frequency therefore you placed them in ideal places to improve consistency and time. Well On the spreadsheet for a PRMM you said for on line 20 I believe that you recommend L be assigned to zealot, DT, Archon. The problem is that I downloaed the PRMM layout and there is no L hotkey even on there, on any of the control groups. So I find myself wondering what control group should I use for my ground army? Why on the PRM are the Nexus/forge/etc.. on P and Gateways/Robo/Stargate etc.. on O, but on the PRMM P and O are ranged units and templars. on PRMM the P and O are instead using the mouse buttons, and instead of using the brackets. Why not then just make the Mouse button control groups the same as the brackets, since the brackets are not being used? I find myself trying to figure out what you mean with the spreadsheet and layouts, it is not very clear to understand and get started, I would love some help and pointers so I can get started with these. What layout do you recommend PRM or PRMM? They use totally different control groups and so I would think one set might be better then the other? Anyway, you make some very good points, and this is why I am willing to try this layout out. But I need some more detailed instructions if you can please, on getting started and what control groups to use. Or maybe you can explain a little more in detail how to use those spreadsheets? Thanks for your help. | ||
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SixtusTheFifth
New Zealand170 Posts
On October 28 2012 11:05 Lancerx wrote: Ok Jak, I am going to try and learn this layout and see how I do with it. I am going to load up my 2nd SC2 account to ladder on while I learn, this will free up my mind to learn instead of worry about winning or losing. Then when I feel like I have learned I will take it back to top masters level play and let you know how I do. One Question though, why do you have create control group control+shift instead of just Control? And why Control to add to control groups instead of shift? I am little confused why you do what you do sometimes. I like to know what the reasoning is behind all these decisions. Hi Lancerx, I can't answer on behalf of Jak the 'why' part but having played 60 odd games now I can tell you everything is better. I used to use grid so ctrl-1 to create a control group, shift-1 to add a unit to the control group. Which was great except I never used shift-1 to add anything. To add a bunch of rallying units to some (off screen) attacking units I would "1" (select army), shift-drag (select rallied units), ctrl-1 (create group). Now I just use ctrl-key for everything. Command center to ctrl-p, oh now I have an Eng-Bay, ctrl-p, now both on p. The only time I ever use ctrl-shift-key is when I've made a mistake and need to reform a control group, my fingers used to love adding buildings to my army for instance but I'm mostly out of that habit. I don't think I've used ctrl-shift-key for days now. The exact same thing could be achieved in grid by just using shift-key, but (a) that wasn't in my muscle memory and (b) until TheCore I had no reason to suspect that everything I was doing was possibly the most involved process that could be conceived. | ||
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poeticEnnui
United States78 Posts
The first few games are going to be rough. Very rough. If you try laddering, you'll probably lose to Gold league players. For control groups, my recommendation would be to use what's most comfortable for you. From my experience, the best thing to do early on is to focus only on mechanical execution -- in other words, cheeses where the only thing you have to worry about is performing the build mechanically. 4 gate, 6 gate, Immortal/Sentry, proxy double Stargate, y'know. Standard repertoire that will familiarize you with all the units at your disposal. The useful part about playing in a lower league (and you will for your first few hundred or so games) is that virtually anything you do will win -- what I would do, for example, just to get used to all the units and buildings, was to rush to whichever unit I wanted to practice with. (Infestors, Ultras, Muta, whatever). Anyway, good luck! I hope you enjoy using The Core as much as I ultimately do. | ||
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SixtusTheFifth
New Zealand170 Posts
When choosing between 4 and 2 button mouse options I just looked at the 4 button, imagained how often I would be clicking those side buttons and how much my hand would hurt afterwards and went straight to 2 button. If you do choose the 4-button mouse option it looks like with 2 control groups moved to the mouse, "-" and "[" become build and build advanced, and the control groups bunch up a bit more. This might be the answer poeticEnnui refered to here. | ||
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Hancho
Germany89 Posts
On October 28 2012 14:34 Lancerx wrote: Ok fair enough for now. I have a more pressing question. I read through your post and watched what videos I could, looked at all your suggestions, tips and other stuff like the spreadsheet and downloaded both the small PRM and PRMM versions from the skydrive. It is a bit overwhelming and confusing, and some things are not really clear. For example, you recommend certain keys for certain control groups because I assume these keys are used allot and at high frequency therefore you placed them in ideal places to improve consistency and time. Well On the spreadsheet for a PRMM you said for on line 20 I believe that you recommend L be assigned to zealot, DT, Archon. The problem is that I downloaed the PRMM layout and there is no L hotkey even on there, on any of the control groups. So I find myself wondering what control group should I use for my ground army? Why on the PRM are the Nexus/forge/etc.. on P and Gateways/Robo/Stargate etc.. on O, but on the PRMM P and O are ranged units and templars. on PRMM the P and O are instead using the mouse buttons, and instead of using the brackets. Why not then just make the Mouse button control groups the same as the brackets, since the brackets are not being used? I find myself trying to figure out what you mean with the spreadsheet and layouts, it is not very clear to understand and get started, I would love some help and pointers so I can get started with these. What layout do you recommend PRM or PRMM? They use totally different control groups and so I would think one set might be better then the other? Anyway, you make some very good points, and this is why I am willing to try this layout out. But I need some more detailed instructions if you can please, on getting started and what control groups to use. Or maybe you can explain a little more in detail how to use those spreadsheets? Thanks for your help. the spreadsheet is for the Medium layout if you use the smal version you have to shift alle keys one to the right so J -> K, I->O ... | ||
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Lancerx
United States39 Posts
On October 28 2012 20:35 Hancho wrote: the spreadsheet is for the Medium layout if you use the smal version you have to shift alle keys one to the right so J -> K, I->O ... What do you guys feel is better? Small vs medium? I am just doing research right now, was fixing to get to practicing in a bit today. I just figured small was the way to go, but maybe I should try medium, who knows. | ||
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GrassEater
Sweden417 Posts
My question is probably already answered somewhere: Just got HOTS and want to use the core for it. Is it a verision for it? To Lancerx: I agree with poeticEnnui. The first games you will lose to players you win to if you play with mouse only and just use the attackmove command from your keyboard. You will feel stressed when your income rise and you are unable to spend resourses and your scout will be killed by an drone. But the core will help you a lot in the long run so it is probably worth it. | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
There should be an L control group. I don't know why you don't have one in PRMM. Mouse buttons are a personal preference, if you like to use them, use them, if not, don't. Some people believe that 4 mouse buttons are the superior way to go, others believe that 2 are. "The choice is yours, and yours alone." As far as why, it is very difficult for me to explain, as doing so is so interwoven with everything else in the development process that I'd pretty much have to re-write the OP to help everyone fully understand the "Why?" question. We will be doing that, along with offering a lot more videos asap. I'll do the "How to use the spreadsheet" one first I think. @GrassEater Yes, you do not need a different version for HotS, the standard version should work fine. We are having a couple of issues with the beta right now, so if something feels off, feel free to customize until we can get to fixing it (such as the nexus now having and attack ability) Also, I don't give a fuck what level masters you are. You got your master's degree in Sc2, we want your b.net profile pleeeeaaasssee!! | ||
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Lancerx
United States39 Posts
On October 29 2012 04:52 JaKaTaK wrote: @Lancerx There should be an L control group. I don't know why you don't have one in PRMM. Mouse buttons are a personal preference, if you like to use them, use them, if not, don't. Some people believe that 4 mouse buttons are the superior way to go, others believe that 2 are. "The choice is yours, and yours alone." As far as why, it is very difficult for me to explain, as doing so is so interwoven with everything else in the development process that I'd pretty much have to re-write the OP to help everyone fully understand the "Why?" question. We will be doing that, along with offering a lot more videos asap. I'll do the "How to use the spreadsheet" one first I think. @GrassEater Yes, you do not need a different version for HotS, the standard version should work fine. We are having a couple of issues with the beta right now, so if something feels off, feel free to customize until we can get to fixing it (such as the nexus now having and attack ability) I have an L now that I downloaded the Medium Layout PRM or PRMM, but using the Small layout with PRM or PRMM there is no L control group. It is why I said it was confusing trying to use spread sheet. Go download the Small layout for PRM you will see what I mean. It is ok now, I am using the medium layout and it seems to be accurate. | ||
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GrassEater
Sweden417 Posts
On October 29 2012 04:52 JaKaTaK wrote: @Lancerx There should be an L control group. I don't know why you don't have one in PRMM. Mouse buttons are a personal preference, if you like to use them, use them, if not, don't. Some people believe that 4 mouse buttons are the superior way to go, others believe that 2 are. "The choice is yours, and yours alone." As far as why, it is very difficult for me to explain, as doing so is so interwoven with everything else in the development process that I'd pretty much have to re-write the OP to help everyone fully understand the "Why?" question. We will be doing that, along with offering a lot more videos asap. I'll do the "How to use the spreadsheet" one first I think. @GrassEater Yes, you do not need a different version for HotS, the standard version should work fine. We are having a couple of issues with the beta right now, so if something feels off, feel free to customize until we can get to fixing it (such as the nexus now having and attack ability) Also, I don't give a fuck what level masters you are. You got your master's degree in Sc2, we want your b.net profile pleeeeaaasssee!! Okok here it is. Use it well. http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/209823/1/ECGrassEater/ | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
On October 29 2012 05:14 GrassEater wrote: Okok here it is. Use it well. http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/209823/1/ECGrassEater/ Thx you're awesome :D | ||
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Antylamon
United States1981 Posts
On October 29 2012 04:52 JaKaTaK wrote: "The choice is yours, and yours alone." ROFL! On October 29 2012 02:00 Lancerx wrote: What do you guys feel is better? Small vs medium? I am just doing research right now, was fixing to get to practicing in a bit today. I just figured small was the way to go, but maybe I should try medium, who knows. Imo, medium is the best way to go if your hand doesn't *need* small to be more efficient. On small, you lose Period, because Slash is where Period is on medium, but Slash is still used for next subgroup. | ||
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GrassEater
Sweden417 Posts
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